Universities/colleges

Lundstram · 20-05-2020 10:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not a requirement for accounting but it's a basic skill. It's like saying that not knowing powerpoint is fine for someone who does presentations. Excel provides a foundational introduction to database work which is helpful when you make the break into corporate accounting where they'll be using customized software. Knowing excel in some reasonable detail helps with the understanding of how TAS books or something similar operates. Besides, many smaller businesses still use excel in addition to something like TAS with the importing/exporting of files for different systems.

Maybe University accounting has moved away from teaching such.. but it seems a foolish move. I know that Financial Management with Accounting modules still require some degree of Excel usage.

Reading and writing are basic skills.

Profficiency in Excel is not. :rolleyes:

Edit: Wrong again, I did Financial Managment for Accountants this year and there was no Excel involved. You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

20-05-2020 10:30PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Reading and writing are basic skills.

Profficiency in Excel is not. :rolleyes:

Edit: Wrong again, I did Financial Managment for Accountants this year and there was no Excel involved. You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

I have a Financial Management degree with Accounting. I now lecture Business management, and speak to my colleagues who teach Accounting/CFA/etc.

Different universities have different focuses. You should know better than to assign a blanket statement to all university courses and how they operate. :rolleyes:

ACitizenErased · 20-05-2020 10:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not a requirement for accounting but it's a basic skill. It's like saying that not knowing powerpoint is fine for someone who does presentations. Excel provides a foundational introduction to database work which is helpful when you make the break into corporate accounting where they'll be using customized software. Knowing excel in some reasonable detail helps with the understanding of how TAS books or something similar operates. Besides, many smaller businesses still use excel in addition to something like TAS with the importing/exporting of files for different systems.

Maybe University accounting has moved away from teaching such.. but it seems a foolish move. I know that Financial Management with Accounting modules still require some degree of Excel usage.

I've done management and financial accounting modules and never once used Excel. Universities simply don't teach that way.

Lundstram · 20-05-2020 10:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have a Financial Management degree with Accounting. I now lecture Business management, and speak to my colleagues who teach Accounting/CFA/etc.

Different universities have different focuses. You should know better than to assign a blanket statement to all university courses and how they operate. :rolleyes:

Again, I couldn't care less what you have, you're still wrong.

To say all universites use Excel for FMA is just wrong. You shouldn't assign a blanket statement to all university courses and how they operate.

20-05-2020 10:55PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Again, I couldn't care less what you have, you're still wrong.

Yup. I got that.

To say all universites use Excel for FMA is just wrong. You shouldn't assign a blanket statement to all university courses and how they operate.

Which I didn't say. Obviously. :rolleyes:

We disagree. There's a shocker.

mikhail · 20-05-2020 11:42PM

To answer c.p.w.g.w's question above, UCD have only decided their term dates today. The universities are still figuring out the details and biding their time for developments, but it's likely that lectures at least will be online. Labs and smaller group stuff may be in meatspace, but I expect the timetabling people are losing sleep figuring out how to do that.

mc25 wrote: »

I'd say where the universities are really going to lose money is with the drop in international student numbers.

A girl I knew doing the exact same course as me was paying triple the fees because she was non-EU

Yep. Irish fees are fixed because the government pays them. That's why the "registration fee" is about 10 x higher than 20 years ago, which is to say that 'free fees' are only about 75% off these days, even with children from the third world subsidising our education system.

That's also the biggest part of why Irish universities chase foreign students like a junkie chases a high - they're the only way to grow teaching income.

Whether this is a suitable, sensible, or moral way to run the entire 3rd level education system is debatable, but it's the consequences of governments choosing not to restore post-crash budget cuts.

gauchesnell · 21-05-2020 05:31PM

Yeah I work in a university and this is happening now - planning and going through the government rules.

Based on current information lectures for the new academic year will be online and so will exams. Some exceptions will be students who have to be on campus but those will be staggered.

Recruitment on international students is an issue - many dont want to travel/many cant. For many the issue is travelling to avail of an online class doesnt make sense.

Not sure if incoming LC students realise yet that their programmes will probably be online comes September

LuasSimon · 25-05-2020 05:03PM

Talking to a Lecturer friend and listening to another from UCC on the radio will it be the case many Lectures and Tutorial will be done remotely into the future and students may only be required on campus 1-2 days a week or less for exams and practical stuff like lab work .

This will make college far more affordable for those not living near colleges, could students from Monaghan,Wexford,Tipperary etc come to UCD one or two days a week and do the rest remotely as it appears covid has already shown this can be done. This will free up many houses and apartments in areas like Clonskeagh, etc for the housing market . Replicate this across other Dublin colleges, Cork, Galway etc can only be good news for students and housing markets near colleges.

DSN · 25-05-2020 05:37PM

Has it shown yet it can be done effectively though? Seems quick off the mark to be planning this. maybe for large lectures but tutorials? How do the students themselves feel about it? Be interested to hear from them.

newuser99999 · 25-05-2020 05:55PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Talking to a Lecturer friend and listening to another from UCC on the radio will it be the case many Lectures and Tutorial will be done remotely into the future and students may only be required on campus 1-2 days a week or less for exams and practical stuff like lab work .

This will make college far more affordable for those not living near colleges, could students from Monaghan,Wexford,Tipperary etc come to UCD one or two days a week and do the rest remotely as it appears covid has already shown this can be done. This will free up many houses and apartments in areas like Clonskeagh, etc for the housing market . Replicate this across other Dublin colleges, Cork, Galway etc can only be good news for students and housing markets near colleges.

Where do you suggest students to stay when they are up for 2 days at a time?

Jurgen Klopp · 25-05-2020 06:22PM

It would have its benefits and drawbacks

Places that relied on students for income could see substantial drop in income, some of the houses might be taken over by workers but I'm just thinking of the crammed student accommodation apartments

Government probably be licking their lips at it as a reason to cut the grant amounts

Would suit some the current setup doesn't and would put out those it currently does. For instance the types who got a grant and a little bit of a job might now find it harder as they might be stuck just driving there and back

However some might use it as an opportunity to try and get a more fulltime time job and work around labs , assuming the economy picks up

Id expect college fees and expenses to drop substantially but won't hold my breath. The only benefit is it might kick start easier and cheaper access to proper third level qualifications from smaller or further away based institutions who were trying to offer courses online and give some competition

LuasSimon · 25-05-2020 06:23PM

Could easily stay in a B and B one night a week or a hotel even would be cheaper than the cost of renting presently. If it was only one day they could travel up and down for one day . It would certainly free up the areas around college for local population and save a lot of cost on the parents if students .

newuser99999 · 25-05-2020 06:25PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Could easily stay in a B and B one night a week or a hotel even would be cheaper than the cost of renting presently. If it was only one day they could travel up and down for one day . It would certainly free up the areas around college for local population and save a lot of cost on the parents if students .

Yeah it would really make sense for people from Kerry going to college in Dublin to travel up and down in the same day. It would work for a very small minority.

LuasSimon · 25-05-2020 07:59PM

newuser99999 wrote: »

Yeah it would really make sense for people from Kerry going to college in Dublin to travel up and down in the same day. It would work for a very small minority.

Well maybe those from laois or wexford or Louth could manage it , would reduce the mad panic for anyone trying to rent a room near UCD etc

Lundstram · 25-05-2020 08:42PM

I'd sooner defer a year if this online stuff takes off. It works for some but not all. Don't care what anyone says, you cannot replicate in class lectures online, not even close to it.

Benimar · 25-05-2020 08:52PM

I’m working in the area and I’d be surprised if many Universities/IoTs aren’t online until at least Christmas.

Maybe not all, but the vast majority will be mainly online (tutorials will be on site etc)

newuser99999 · 25-05-2020 08:58PM

Benimar wrote: »

I’m working in the area and I’d be surprised if many Universities/IoTs aren’t online until at least Christmas.

Maybe not all, but the vast majority will be mainly online (tutorials will be on site etc)

Hopefully they reduce their fees so.

challengemaster · 25-05-2020 09:01PM

Lundstram wrote: »

I'd sooner defer a year if this online stuff takes off. It works for some but not all. Don't care what anyone says, you cannot replicate in class lectures online, not even close to it.

I'd disagree considering a fair proportion of people wouldn't even bother attending lectures and just go on the uploaded lecture notes. Getting a video lecture alongside those notes is even better than what's been on offer previously.

Each to their own though.

newuser99999 wrote: »

Hopefully they reduce their fees so.

What fees?

newuser99999 · 25-05-2020 09:04PM

challengemaster wrote: »

I'd disagree considering a fair proportion of people wouldn't even bother attending lectures and just go on the uploaded lecture notes. Getting a video lecture alongside those notes is even better than what's been on offer previously.

Each to their own though.

What fees?

The student contribution fee ?

Geuze · 25-05-2020 09:10PM

newuser99999 wrote: »

Hopefully they reduce their fees so.

The 3,000 student undergrad fee won't be reduced.

BrianD3 · 25-05-2020 09:11PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Talking to a Lecturer friend and listening to another from UCC on the radio will it be the case many Lectures and Tutorial will be done remotely into the future and students may only be required on campus 1-2 days a week or less for exams and practical stuff like lab work .

This will make college far more affordable for those not living near colleges, could students from Monaghan,Wexford,Tipperary etc come to UCD one or two days a week and do the rest remotely as it appears covid has already shown this can be done. This will free up many houses and apartments in areas like Clonskeagh, etc for the housing market . Replicate this across other Dublin colleges, Cork, Galway etc can only be good news for students and housing markets near colleges.

Sounds like a big nail in the coffin of the student experience. The mid 1990s are increasingly looking like the golden era for students in Ireland. Registration fee of around 250 punts per year, relatively affordable rent, campus life, the luxury of learning plus plenty of socialising and hanging out. I remember those days with great fondness and feel bad for today's students if they won't get to experience that in their late teens/early twenties. Obviously, things haven't been great for many students for a few years thank to high rents which has resulted in many living at home and commuting long distances every day - so perhaps remote attendance won't make things much worse than they already are.

newuser99999 · 25-05-2020 09:12PM

Geuze wrote: »

The 3,000 student undergrad fee won't be reduced.

I don’t mean those ones I meant the capitation fee

gauchesnell · 25-05-2020 09:13PM

yeah for 2020/2021 it doesnt look like an on campus experience will be possible for all students.

This is happening. Again it varies by college and by programme but classes will mostly be online. They are calling it blended learning.

3000 is the contribution fee and that is set by the government

I dont know if incoming students would be aware of this yet though

tsiklon · 25-05-2020 10:03PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Talking to a Lecturer friend and listening to another from UCC on the radio will it be the case many Lectures and Tutorial will be done remotely into the future and students may only be required on campus 1-2 days a week or less for exams and practical stuff like lab work .

Could you say which radio programme was this on?

Geuze · 25-05-2020 10:05PM

newuser99999 wrote: »

I don’t mean those ones I meant the capitation fee

3,000 is the Student Contribution fee.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/education/third_level_education/fees_and_supports_for_third_level_education/fees.html

newuser99999 · 25-05-2020 10:07PM

Geuze wrote: »

3,000 is the Student Contribution fee.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/education/third_level_education/fees_and_supports_for_third_level_education/fees.html

Ucc students pay a fee of €170 for the mardyke gym and other student services.

gauchesnell · 25-05-2020 10:16PM

newuser99999 wrote: »

Ucc students pay a fee of €170 for the mardyke gym and other student services.

Yeah some universities have additional fees on top of the student contribution. That additional fee is something to challenge with the university if the gym doesnt reopen. Dont know what other student services would be

newuser99999 · 25-05-2020 10:18PM

gauchesnell wrote: »

Yeah some universities have additional fees on top of the student contribution. That additional fee is something to challenge with the university if the gym doesnt reopen. Dont know what other student services would be

Clubs, societies, counseling services etc

gauchesnell · 25-05-2020 10:23PM

newuser99999 wrote: »

Clubs, societies, counseling services etc

well thats a scam. My university (I work in one) includes everything for the 3K fee.

Counselling especially is a free service and very important now.

what does the 3K cover is not student services

Flimsy_Boat · 25-05-2020 10:27PM

I am in online med school at the moment. It is a difficult time for all involved. Plans are being made to start online in Autumn but not confirmed yet.

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