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The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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  • #7652
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Tomorrow's I is now in:
    EY4_aZ4XkAEQ2Gv?format=jpg&name=medium

    Speculation that the Mail and other Tory press might go lighter on the Government tomorrow.


  • #7653
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Daily Mail not quite so aggressive as yesterday but still not positive for Government
    https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1265022083119054848
    Mirror as you'd expect, but can't remember last time they had almost identical headline to the Mail!
    https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1265021836217274368
    Telegraph has lead with the dead cat but also mentions Cummings:
    https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1265022353987309573
    Daily Express also gone for the dead cat:
    https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1265024210537197568


  • #7654
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    devnull wrote: »
    Daily Mail not quite so aggressive as yesterday but still not positive for Government
    https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1265022083119054848

    Mirror as you'd expect, but can't remember last time they had almost identical headline to the Mail!
    https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1265021836217274368

    Telegraph has lead with the dead cat but also mentions Cummings:
    https://twitter.com/BBCHelena/status/1265022353987309573

    The Mail has quite a sly dig at Dom there. 'Svengali' is a pejorative term.


  • #7655
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    The British public see through the msm BS and Boris knows it. That's why they didn't get their head on a platter.


  • #7656
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Guardian don't go that hard on Cummings
    https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1265025935541260288
    Times - not gone for him in a big way but not a ringing endorsement either
    https://twitter.com/TimesPictures/status/1265027071597776899
    Daily Record - really stuck the boot in here
    https://twitter.com/Daily_Record/status/1265027551308795905
    Sun - Leading on the reopening of shops and easing of lockdown (front page to follow, said to be three different ones for parts of the UK...


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  • #7657
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    I thought Anna Mikhailova asked the most pertinent questions of Cummings today.

    He drove half an hour to a castle each way, as a test to see if he can make it to London. Ridiculous.


  • #7658
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Enzokk wrote: »
    True, but I do understand why her question wasn't as hard hitting as the others that followed. Cummings really did well with his read statement, it was under questioning where it started to fall apart for him. Basically unless she received prior notice of his statement I won't be critical of her for her questions to him.

    Her question to Johnson was very good on maximum transparency though.

    Ah Enzo, if you can't do well with a prepared statement then it's likely that you can't toe your shoe laces. The man should be capable of that at least.

    The detail and minutiae in the statement was completely irrelevant and was there solely to make no sense and act, as I said earlier, as a document dump.

    He fell apart under questioning because his statement and actions were inexcusable. It was ALWAYS going to go the way it did.

    All he had to do was not completely meltdown, which he managed and that then gave Boris cover to keep saying "Dominic covered the earlier, let's move on".


  • #7659
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    he has to go, he's a hypocrite no two ways about it


  • #7660
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    AllForIt wrote: »
    The British public see through the msm BS and Boris knows it. That's why they didn't get their head on a platter.

    Gawd. That's what you think happened today?

    MSM really needs to banned as an acronym. As soon as it's used you know what to expect.


  • #7661
    Retro.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 89 ✭✭Retro.


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Gawd. That's what you think happened today?

    MSM really needs to banned as an acronym. As soon as it's used you know what to expect.

    "Head on a platter " gave the game away


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  • #7662
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Scottish Sun has gone for him big style
    https://twitter.com/samlove8888/status/1265027979484299264

    English Sun still not in but it's said to lead on the shops being allowed to open, so I guess they are playing to their target market in both countries.


  • #7663
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    2u2me wrote: »
    I thought Anna Mikhailova asked the most pertinent of Cummings today.

    He drove half an hour to a castle each way, as a test to see if he can make it to London. Ridiculous.

    Endangering his wife and child whilst performing the test on a date that happened to be his wife's birthday.


  • #7664
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fryup wrote: »
    he has to go, he's a hypocrite no two ways about it

    He won’t. No matter what the outcry. Boris can’t manage without him and losing him would be his worst case scenario......more than losing the press and all his backbenchers. Boris has no strategy or ideas....they are all Cummings’....and is nothing more than bluster and ideas of grandeur


  • #7665
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    This must be trolling, someone is trolling someone here,

    https://twitter.com/PHE_uk/status/1264960427756306432?s=20


    And then to add to Johnson just spouting rubbish, here it seems like Cummings is changing his blogs to confirm that he did in fact warn about pandemics like Covid-19, so why do you need to change your blogs to warn about those pandemics?

    https://twitter.com/jwiechers/status/1264953956758884354?s=20


  • #7666
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Endangering his wife and child whilst performing the test on a date that happened to be his wife's birthday.


    That is putting his child in the car when he thinks he may be having trouble with his vision and testing how it goes. Risk breaking the lockdown rules to only put your child in harms way by driving the car when you aren't sure you can see that well.

    And there are many examples out there, even on this thread that people will buy these lies hook, line and sinker.


  • #7667
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Endangering his wife and child whilst performing the test on a date that happened to be his wife's birthday.

    For me his story adds up except this part. He should have just admitted it.


  • #7668
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Enzokk wrote: »
    Risk breaking the lockdown rules to only put your child in harms way by driving the car when you aren't sure you can see that well.

    I was laughing when he said that. One of the most ridiculous things anyone has ever said.


  • #7669
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    2u2me wrote: »

    For me his story adds up except this part. He should have just admitted it.


    So the question is, if he lied about this part what else is he lying about? Is it because he knows he was caught in Barnard Castle and he is comfortable with his story everywhere else?


  • #7670
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,162 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    2u2me wrote: »

    For me his story adds up except this part. He should have just admitted it.


    In what way does his story add up? Thousands if not hundreds of thousands of parents up and down the country were experiencing exactly the same situation and stayed home because thats what they were told to do. The clause hes using was put in place specifically for those of whom may have been stuck in abusive households.

    People are rightfully angry.

    https://twitter.com/joshwiddicombe/status/1264962361322061824


  • #7671
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,950 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    https://twitter.com/Simon_Pegg/status/1264966247894126597?s=19


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  • #7672
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Enzokk wrote: »
    TAnd then to add to Johnson just spouting rubbish, here it seems like Cummings is changing his blogs to confirm that he did in fact warn about pandemics like Covid-19, so why do you need to change your blogs to warn about those pandemics?

    https://twitter.com/jwiechers/status/1264953956758884354?s=20

    So now Cummings is quite happy to recently change past documents and then reference the changed documents and portray them as being fully written some time ago. That is astonishing and shows what depths this man will sink to. It seems that the Tories may not be the only ones showing pathological behaviour, their advisors might be too.

    If I was to access documents from the past and then edit them a year after they were originally written and subsequently use the added paragraphs in my defence or to argue a point where I said those passages were there originally, then if I was found out I would be sacked for gross misconduct and a very open and shut case.


  • #7673
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Is there any way to sack the media for telling lies?


  • #7674
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    VinLieger wrote: »
    In what way does his story add up? Thousands if not hundreds of thousands of parents up and down the country were experiencing exactly the same situation and stayed home because thats what they were told to do. The clause hes using was put in place specifically for those of whom may have been stuck in abusive households.

    People are rightfully angry.


    Let us now forget this part of his story either,

    https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1264974282905587712?s=20

    So his child was throwing up and they took him to hospital with his wife who had the disease. His wife went with the son to the hospital while she was sick with the disease. The reason you didn't go to the other side of the country is because you can spread the disease, and this is exactly what it seems they did if this is true.

    Also, he was obviously worried he would be seen having driven that day and had to get the in a reason if this wasn't true. Either way it is another stupid mistake from the genius in No.10.


  • #7675
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,950 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    AllForIt wrote: »
    Is there any way to sack the media for telling lies?

    What lies did they tell?


  • #7676
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    VinLieger wrote: »
    In what way does his story add up? Thousands if not hundreds of thousands of parents up and down the country were experiencing exactly the same situation and stayed home because thats what they were told to do.

    I think many reporters were trying to make it into a case of a war between the 'haves' and the 'have-nots'.

    He mentioned he went to a farm house owned by his parents that had three houses (I'm sure this can be verified). One for his parents, one for his family, and one with a 20 year old and a 17 year old he said that could look after his 4 year old if he and his wife got ill.

    I don't see a problem with any of this. It seems practical.

    Driving half an hour each way out of your way to test if your eye sight is working is another story entirely.


  • #7677
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    AllForIt wrote: »
    Is there any way to sack the media for telling lies?


    Yes, report it to the editor and the reporter will be fired if it is found he lied or that they made things up in their stories.

    The rise of Boris Johnson, the UK's new controversial prime minister who was fired from multiple jobs
    Boris had a brief career at The Times before getting fired for making up a quote.


  • #7678
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,912 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    AllForIt wrote: »
    Is there any way to sack the media for telling lies?

    Did they?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #7679
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Had to laugh at the Indy:
    WWfTdgKOS5CaDlAfNgbQ_Independent%202605.PNG

    I know it's online only so it has a small reach, but they clearly know what a dead cat is (see bottom)


  • #7680
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,162 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    2u2me wrote: »
    I think many reporters were trying to make it into a case of a war between the 'haves' and the 'have-nots'.

    He mentioned he went to a farm house owned by his parents that had three houses (I'm sure this can be verified). One for his parents, one for his family, and one with a 20 year old and a 17 year old he said that could look after his 4 year old if he and his wife got ill.

    I don't see a problem with any of this. It seems practical.

    Except its completely against the rules.

    And its not about the haves and have nots although that is very much an issue considering i dont know many people whose parents have a country estate with three seperate houses available to them.

    Regardless, its about those in power setting rules that they think they are not subject to. Then when caught breaking them they retroactively change the rules to suit their own needs. This will then ultimately put more lives at risk when the public at large understandably start rejecting the rules as their leaders who told them to follow the rule in the first place are shown to be morally bankrupt and theres no visible reason to respect them or their rules


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  • #7681
    Retro.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 89 ✭✭Retro.


    Some loon on LBC wants all shop to have s gadget installed when they open

    It will notify customers on their phone what the percentage risk of getting the virus is in the shop


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