Cocaine

Big Gerry · 22-05-2020 02:03AM

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Blood on their hands and traces of feces and god knows what else up their noses.

They are also putting money into the hands of dissident republicans who making millions from the drug trade.

MadYaker · 22-05-2020 02:04AM

100 quid a gram and it's sh!t unless you get it off the web. I've tried it a few times but I don't like it. Wears off really quick and then you just want more, a gram is gone in no time. I have a few friends who developed worrying habits and that put me off it. They'd always say they wouldn't get a bag tonight, then 4 drinks in they were on the phone. Every time the same pattern, put me right off. Other drugs are less addictive, cheaper and a lot more fun.

mr_fegelien · 22-05-2020 02:05AM

Not to go off topic but I think it's funny that doctors being too strict on prescribing drugs might actually cause illegal drug use. It is notoriously difficult for people even those who have chronic pain to get opiates in Ireland. Not an issue in the States yet apparently we have one of the highest heroin usage in the world. Probably people who can't get drugs turning to the street.

And in the UK, benzos are hard to get so the market in illegal benzos, and other GABAergic alternatives like pregablin grew.

Big Gerry · 22-05-2020 02:06AM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Actually I believe that cocaine is €2 in South American countries so no, you wouldn't go broke

It would far cheaper again if it was fully legal you could get a kg of coke for about 10 euro.

MadYaker · 22-05-2020 02:07AM

The perscription system is a joke anyway. I could open up a tor browser right now, order any perscription drug under the sun and it'll pop through my letterbox before the end of next week. Probably faster than I could even get an appointment to see my doctor.

Big Gerry · 22-05-2020 02:09AM

MadYaker wrote: »

The perscription system is a joke anyway. I could open up a tor browser right now, order any perscription drug under the sun and it'll pop through my letterbox before the end of next week. Probably faster than I could even get an appointment to see my doctor.

Yeah but can you be sure you are getting the real thing ?

MadYaker · 22-05-2020 02:13AM

Big Gerry wrote: »

Yeah but can you be sure you are getting the real thing ?

Its the exact same stuff you'll get from a pharmacy with a perscription, same brands and packaging. A little cheaper. I only ordered perscription stuff once and it wasn't for me.

Big Gerry · 22-05-2020 02:23AM

MadYaker wrote: »

Its the exact same stuff you'll get from a pharmacy with a perscription, same brands and packaging. A little cheaper. I only ordered perscription stuff once and it wasn't for me.

But it could be counterfeit.

Strumms · 22-05-2020 02:38AM

andekwarhola wrote: »

People tend to focus on drugs like cocaine as making people especially reprehensible in company but doing any drug - or alcohol to excess - either in the company of people that are sober or being moderate has pretty much the same effect.

Cocaine though, you don’t have to exactly be snorting mailbags full of the stuff before you turn into a cuñt. With drink, 90% of us can have say, 6 or 7 pints and be a placid, nice, reasonably coherent and friendly individual with decent judgement and without the need to cause a row or be a dick in any way..

Cocaine and the odd times I’ve been in the company of people doing it and it’s just a personality changer, turning people into paranoid, unpredictable, aggressive, in your face, skitso freaks....

12gauge dave · 22-05-2020 03:43AM

One line is too many and 100 is not enough.

Arrival · 22-05-2020 04:07AM

MadYaker wrote: »

Its the exact same stuff you'll get from a pharmacy with a perscription, same brands and packaging. A little cheaper. I only ordered perscription stuff once and it wasn't for me.

There's definitely proper counterfeit stuff on the go though because basically any drug can be made for really cheap in China and packaged just the same as the legitimate ones, remember seeing a segment on some minidoc about labs in China that were talking about their ability to mass produce even the most expensive pills sold in the US for very cheap. It was mostly talking about how overpriced prescription drugs are in the US

Anyway, not saying it wouldn't get the job done all the same and that there aren't trusted vendors who definitely have the legitimate ones, just that this is going on for sure

mr_fegelien · 22-05-2020 09:39AM

Does anyone know whether you get a comedown from coke like you do on ecstasy? I know a guy who killed himself after withdrawing from benzos, coke, mdma, and alcohol. Already had pre-existing mental issues but the drugs pushed him over the edge.

EmmetSpiceland · 22-05-2020 09:56AM

Big Gerry wrote: »

They are also putting money into the hands of dissident republicans who making millions from the drug trade.

The “Cause” took a backseat a long time ago. The battles are all over drug territories now.

They’ve left the “good fight” to shinnerbots and other online “wide boys”.

kowloon · 22-05-2020 02:35PM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Does anyone know whether you get a comedown from coke like you do on ecstasy? I know a guy who killed himself after withdrawing from benzos, coke, mdma, and alcohol. Already had pre-existing mental issues but the drugs pushed him over the edge.

Probably turned the condition up to 11 taking that mix.

I read about opiate use in Vietnam that when guys shipped home the majority were able to kick it. The trauma and the drug reliance went hand in hand.

Thelonious Monk · 22-05-2020 03:15PM

So many ill informed posts on this thread. I don't see how they could legalise it but there's no point busting someone for possession anyway, or being addicted to any drug. No one sets out to be a cocaine or heroin addict, it's more like a sickness than any kind of crime. Some progressive countries are starting to treat it that way. I used to be quite fond of the old white lady myself, had some great times, but years of partying takes its toll mentally. Also it doesn't turn everyone into assholes, but it might make the assholes in the room a lot louder.

Thelonious Monk · 22-05-2020 03:22PM

Sure I Dont Know wrote: »

Imagine actually giving your money to scum and risking a heart attack in order to take a ****ty drug like cocaine?

Great contribution

c.p.w.g.w · 22-05-2020 03:22PM

Sure I Dont Know wrote: »

Imagine actually giving your money to scum and risking a heart attack in order to take a ****ty drug like cocaine?

If you legalized it you could remove many of the unknowns...

c.p.w.g.w · 22-05-2020 03:31PM

Sure I Dont Know wrote: »

Ah yes the Mexican cartels will simply go out of business once we legalise drugs.

Why would they, plenty of business in the States...

1o059k7ewrqj3n · 22-05-2020 03:37PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

If you legalized it you could remove many of the unknowns...

In Portugal, Cocaine has been decriminalised up to 2 grams. It still requires a criminal network to bring the drug into Portugal.

Nobody is bringing Cocaine into Portugal in 2 gram shipments. It's coming in much bigger assignments.

So even though Portugal is lauded as a model approach to sensible and modern drug policy, it still allows the existence of a criminal network to import and sell drugs.

I don't think there is any country in the world that is going to fully legalise Cocaine use and sale and then set about producing it themselves to give to citizens. That's like something out of a Brave New World.

Strumms · 22-05-2020 04:58PM

Steyr 556 wrote: »

In Portugal, Cocaine has been decriminalised up to 2 grams. It still requires a criminal network to bring the drug into Portugal.

Nobody is bringing Cocaine into Portugal in 2 gram shipments. It's coming in much bigger assignments.

So even though Portugal is lauded as a model approach to sensible and modern drug policy, it still allows the existence of a criminal network to import and sell drugs.

I don't think there is any country in the world that is going to fully legalise Cocaine use and sale and then set about producing it themselves to give to citizens. That's like something out of a Brave New World.

So by decriminalizing possession and usage you are enabling a greater demand thus giving criminals who produce, deal and distribute greater profits, resources, greater numbers working in crime and all the bad stuff that comes with that.

the_syco · 22-05-2020 05:12PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Also it doesn't turn everyone into assholes, but it might make the assholes in the room a lot louder.

They also don't shut up.

Steyr 556 wrote: »

In Portugal, Cocaine has been decriminalised up to 2 grams. It still requires a criminal network to bring the drug into Portugal.

TBH, it allows the police to ignore anyone on "personal" amounts of coke and weed, etc, whilst still allowing them to jail the dealers. It also allows people to snitch on their dealer without being afraid of getting arrested for doing said drugs.

1o059k7ewrqj3n · 22-05-2020 07:42PM

the_syco wrote: »

They also don't shut up.

TBH, it allows the police to ignore anyone on "personal" amounts of coke and weed, etc, whilst still allowing them to jail the dealers. It also allows people to snitch on their dealer without being afraid of getting arrested for doing said drugs.

Absolutely. I think the situation in Portugal prior to decriminalisation was pretty grim, and a more realistic approach was called for and in fairness I think they got it right.

It's sort of a double edged sword - on one side the police of a country are better off going after big time dealers as they bring in guns as well as drugs and fuel violence, but on the other side its the individual user that drives demand for the product they supply - but Cocaine can't really be grown here, unlike Weed with has a strong case for being made legal. I don't think it'll ever be the case that Cocaine will be fully legal, unless it was synthetic Cocaine and the production was given to a company.

riclad · 22-05-2020 08:27PM

Junkies are put on a program they go to a clinic get free drugs. We simply have no prison cells to put people eg
People are rarely sent to prison for using drugs. I think
Middle class people buy cocaine Eg working class people
buy hash or pills To get a serious prison sentence you
need to be a Major drug dealer or commit a serious violent crime. The garda have limited resources, maybe they could get 50 per cent of imported illegal drugs
Big drug dealers have almost unlimited resources also
the have acess to the latest technology smartphone
apps etc many states in America have legal weed
They have dispensary and tax it like any other product
NO Country would ever make cocaine legal. It is too powerful and bad for your health.
In theory people can smoke hash in moderation
and it has no more effect than drinking beer or
wine at least for people over 21

Strumms · 23-05-2020 07:53PM

Problem with Marijuana is that it’s considered a ‘gateway drug’ by most of the experts on the subject including NIDA. In fact also the chemical properties of marijuana make the human brain more vulnerable to addiction, including alcohol, cocaine, heroin..whatever.

1o059k7ewrqj3n · 23-05-2020 08:13PM

Strumms wrote: »

Problem with Marijuana is that it’s considered a ‘gateway drug’ by most of the experts on the subject including NIDA. In fact also the chemical properties of marijuana make the human brain more vulnerable to addiction, including alcohol, cocaine, heroin..whatever.

It's a thread about Cocaine.

MadYaker · 23-05-2020 08:16PM

Strumms wrote: »

Problem with Marijuana is that it’s considered a ‘gateway drug’ by most of the experts on the subject including NIDA. In fact also the chemical properties of marijuana make the human brain more vulnerable to addiction, including alcohol, cocaine, heroin..whatever.

A load of bollox. I find most of these "experts" have never touched a drug in their life.

Strumms · 23-05-2020 09:27PM

MadYaker wrote: »

A load of bollox. I find most of these "experts" have never touched a drug in their life.

What experts do you find this with. If they have other know how and what expertises they won’t have had to..but you’d be surprised, most in fact do.

Strumms · 23-05-2020 09:29PM

Steyr 556 wrote: »

It's a thread about Cocaine.

And a discussion of which I’m contributing to and indeed referencing cocaine as others have too and is the gateway aspect of other drugs... don’t like it, report it.

B.A._Baracus · 23-05-2020 09:39PM

Whoever likes coke should watch the various documentaries on how it's made. Plenty on YouTube. Even Gordon Ramsey did one.

- Some poor farmers make it.
- They use chemicals such as bleach and kerosene to break down the coca leaf.
- This process creates the paste which is sold to drug cartels. They apply their own process to turn into powder.
- It gets cut as it passed down.
- Then your local drug dealer is gonna cut it up with his own crap.

Then you snort it. All up your nose.

akelly02 · 23-05-2020 10:34PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Whoever likes coke should watch the various documentaries on how it's made. Plenty on YouTube. Even Gordon Ramsey did one.

- Some poor farmers make it.
- They use chemicals such as bleach and kerosene to break down the coca leaf.
- This process creates the paste which is sold to drug cartels. They apply their own process to turn into powder.
- It gets cut as it passed down.
- Then your local drug dealer is gonna cut it up with his own crap.

Then you snort it. All up your nose.

And you feel ****iing great

Cocaine

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