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  • #2612
    dublin99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭dublin99


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    I wore a mask today for the first time in the supermarket.

    It's the bog standard pale blue type that goes around the ears. I hated it! I wear glasses so with it correctly placed over my nose it bumps into my glasses and they steam up every time I breath out so I have to breath shallow and very slowly which is uncomfortable and a bit stressful. And I say that as someone for whom almost everything is like water off a ducks back. I'll keep wearing them but ONLY indoors when shopping. UGH.

    Press the wire at the top of the mask firmly on the bridge of the nose to ensure a snug fit on nose and along the top side of mask. And possibly rest bottom rim of glasses on top of mask so it is pressing on it. Trial and error.

    There are also anti fog surgical masks with adhesive/foam along the top to ensure good seal.


  • #2613
    Arrival
    Closed Accounts Posts: 779 ✭✭✭Arrival


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    I wore a mask today for the first time in the supermarket.

    It's the bog standard pale blue type that goes around the ears. I hated it! I wear glasses so with it correctly placed over my nose it bumps into my glasses and they steam up every time I breath out so I have to breath shallow and very slowly which is uncomfortable and a bit stressful. And I say that as someone for whom almost everything is like water off a ducks back. I'll keep wearing them but ONLY indoors when shopping. UGH.

    If you rub a bit of liquid soap into your glasses lenses, until it's clear, it coats it in a way that the condensation doesn't stick to it, give it a wipe with a wet wipe after then. Same thing works with mirrors in bathrooms

    You might be more comfortable with a reusable cotton mask also


  • #2614
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    Arrival wrote: »
    Personal choice to knowingly be amongst the group of people potentially spreading it by not wearing one, yes

    I judge people who don't wear masks the same as people who don't socially distance, cough/sneeze into their elbows and wash their hands thoroughly enough; they're morons

    I'm not blaming people here. It's the government who's at fault here. Masks/face coverings should have been made mandatory and have one clear idea in this whole mess.


  • #2615
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    McGiver wrote: »
    Yeah, right the virus is gone from Ireland. And the ECDC are idiots too.

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/news/not-if-but-when-european-health-boss-warns-of-virus-second-wave/


    As I said, with government this competent a second spike is inevitable. They mismanaged the first, lost all the trumps (island, low population, low density) and ended up in the bottom of the league in death per capita and cases per capita.

    How many people wear masks out of reference? How is that government measure going?

    I was in Lidl the other day, and I saw 5-6 masks including myself. The place was packed, distancing not observed, people very aggressive, bumping into me.

    The ECDC can make guesses. They don’t have a crystal ball. When no second wave comes they’ll say the disease burnt itself out. Stop living in fear. There is no evidence that masks make any difference to coronavirus either.


  • #2616
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    I wore a mask today for the first time in the supermarket.

    It's the bog standard pale blue type that goes around the ears. I hated it! I wear glasses so with it correctly placed over my nose it bumps into my glasses and they steam up every time I breath out so I have to breath shallow and very slowly which is uncomfortable and a bit stressful. And I say that as someone for whom almost everything is like water off a ducks back. I'll keep wearing them but ONLY indoors when shopping. UGH.

    I’ve glasses too. I won’t be wearing a mask. Pain in the balls.


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  • #2617
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    chicorytip wrote: »
    It ought to have been made compulsory to wear them here from the very beginning. Adequate supplies could have been sourced and made available, free of charge, to the entire population. Now, we are being "advised" to use them and pay inflated prices for the privilege. Everything about the government's management of this crisis has been reactionary rather than proactive.

    WHO: If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19.


  • #2618
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Yes: surgical
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    The ECDC can make guesses. They don’t have a crystal ball. When no second wave comes they’ll say the disease burnt itself out. Stop living in fear. There is no evidence that masks make any difference to coronavirus either.

    'When no second wave comes' that's fairly definitive, how do you know ?


  • #2619
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,186 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    No: other
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    WHO: If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19.

    The WHO have been guilty of spreading misinformation as they wanted to protect the supply of masks for healthcare workers. If they admitted masks worked at the time of peak hysteria, we'd have seen a run on them like we saw on toilet paper. Now that the supply issues have been resolved, we're seeing authorities turn around.


  • #2620
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    ek motor wrote: »
    'When no second wave comes' that's fairly definitive, how do you know ?

    I don’t. Like the ECDC I can only guess. See how it works??


  • #2621
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Stark wrote: »
    The WHO have been guilty of spreading misinformation as they wanted to protect the supply of masks for healthcare workers. If they admitted masks worked at the time of peak hysteria, we'd have seen a run on them like we saw on toilet paper. Now that the supply issues have been resolved, we're seeing authorities turn around.

    So why have the WHO not changed their stance?? Take the tin foil hat off.


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  • #2622
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yes: other
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    There is no evidence that masks make any difference to coronavirus either.
    This thread is full of evidence that they are a risk reducer in respiratory infections. The HSE/WHO state that wearing one if you're sick or around sick people is a major risk reducer, but that magically disappears with the asymptomatically infected? Coughing into your sleeve is a good thing in your book, but having a sleeve literally covering the prime route of infection is not? The nations with the very lowest numbers of infected and dead are all mask mandated. At this stage I can't shake the feeling that those so strongly objecting to masks are equally avoiding logic like the plague.
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    So why have the WHO not changed their stance?? Take the tin foil hat off.
    Actually they have started to. Though as ever they've a few howlers in the mix. Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing. Yet at the same time they acknowledge asymptomatic spread is an issue.
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I’ve glasses too. I won’t be wearing a mask. Pain in the balls.
    IMHO The underlined part is 99% of your objection. You'd feel like an eejit, nobdoy else is wearing them, it's a pain in the balls, it's not part of our culture, you'd hate not seeing people's faces etc etc. That's the objection to masks for the vast majority of people. It's got eff all to do with science or logic.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #2623
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Yes: surgical
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I don’t. Like the ECDC I can only guess. See how it works??

    Exactly, hence you can see why it would be prudent to err on the side of caution.


  • #2624
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,155 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Yes: homemade
    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    I wore a mask today for the first time in the supermarket.

    It's the bog standard pale blue type that goes around the ears. I hated it! I wear glasses so with it correctly placed over my nose it bumps into my glasses and they steam up every time I breath out so I have to breath shallow and very slowly which is uncomfortable and a bit stressful. And I say that as someone for whom almost everything is like water off a ducks back. I'll keep wearing them but ONLY indoors when shopping. UGH.

    Same here. My glasses steamed up with every breath. I was going around half blind.


  • #2625
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    So why have the WHO not changed their stance?? Take the tin foil hat off.

    Fúck knows.

    Their advice is "healthy" people should not wear masks in public.

    Reality has moved on, we now know you can be perfectly healthy with the virus and most importantly spread it.

    "Patient Zero" in France displayed no symptoms, didn't get sick and infected her entire family.

    The lad in the night club in Korea who infected 100 people and now unfortunately from that there is a second cluster also displayed no symptoms.


  • #2626
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yes: other
    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Same here. My glasses steamed up with every breath. I was going around half blind.
    I've only ever had this problem when I didn't make a good seal with the bendy metal part at the top. I suppose it depends on the type of glasses frames too.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #2627
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    Stark wrote: »
    This has been doing the rounds today https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/cdc-now-says-coronavirus-does-not-spread-easily-on-surfaces/ . So hand washing and surface cleansing etc. is good but it's really about catching the droplets before they end up in someone else's face.

    This was kind of expected. Also, recent research shows the droplets stay in the air for 10 minutes and are generated by talking and breathing as well.


  • #2628
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    Markomlm wrote: »
    It's people's personal choice not to wear a mask, stop judging those who do not wish to.
    It is your personal choice not to wear a hat.

    It is not your personal choice to spread a deadly disease.

    You are totally wrong. And this is the key point in this discussion about masks and other covid measures.


  • #2629
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    blanch152 wrote: »
    The difference between the Czechs and Ireland could just come down to them not going on skiing holidays to Italy or trips to Cheltenham.
    You're aware that Czechia borders Austria and is close to Italy?
    Every late winter very many people go skiing in Austria and Italy, especially kids during mid-term holidays. This happened in Ireland too.


  • #2630
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    The ECDC can make guesses. They don’t have a crystal ball. When no second wave comes they’ll say the disease burnt itself out. Stop living in fear.
    Yes, but the Irish Gov experts you cited do have crystal balls. Going by performance I trust ECDC crystal balls (which they are not) more than Irish Gov crystal balls. Sorry...
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    There is no evidence that masks make any difference to coronavirus either.
    This is an outright lie and should be reported as trolling.


  • #2631
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    WHO: If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19.

    Virtually all CDC agencies say otherwise. Chinese, US, European, Indian, you name it.

    WHO's interest has been always supply of PPE for medical staff. They never said masks weren't effective. Never ever.

    Czech epidemiologists had to confirm the masks issue back in March with WHO and their reply was that they supported the Czech measure and their only concern is health care staff are not bereft of PPE.


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  • #2632
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    So why have the WHO not changed their stance?? Take the tin foil hat off.

    They never had any stance. They defer this issue to "decision makers".


  • #2633
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Yes: valved
    Going by what I saw around 'town' today with very few people wearing masks, the government has fundamentally scored a dangerous own-goal by not advocating the use of masks by the general public at the very start of this pandemic. It should have been made mandatory in enclosed public spaces.

    If the government issued the scientifically proven correct guidance of mask use back in March, then we would have seen greater compliance at the earlier, more deadly stages of the virus..... and it would have undoubtedly saved lives.
    And ................. we would be able to head to our gloriously abundant fresh-air Irish beaches and natural parks beyond our 5km/20km restriction in late May, rather than some arbitrary date in August ............... probably after the Irish summer has ended.


  • #2634
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    Kivaro wrote: »
    Going by what I saw around 'town' today with very few people wearing masks, the government has fundamentally scored a dangerous own-goal by not advocating the use of masks by the general public at the very start of this pandemic. It should have been made mandatory in enclosed public spaces.

    If the government issued the scientifically proven correct guidance of mask use back in March, then we would see greater compliance at the earlier, more deadly stages of the virus..... and it would have undoubtedly saved lives.
    And ................. we would be able to head to our gloriously abundant fresh-air Irish beaches and natural parks beyond our 5km/20km restriction in late May, rather than some arbitrary date in August ............... probably after the Irish summer has ended.
    Multiple own goals, not just masks. Daily flights from Milan, unrestricted, unmonitored, unchecked by end of March, until the Italian side stopped them. ETc. etc.

    I'm very unhappy with the extremely stringent travel restrictions, essentially jailed at home, lasting 4 months (March to July <20 km limit). Especially if you weigh it against the result - 25k cases, 1600 dead. If we had 200 dead, I'd say "alright it was worth it". But with these very poor results, this kind of restriction of civil liberty isn't OK, especially if it could have been substituted by universal requirement of wearing masks early on.

    Let's not quote Greece or Czechia all the time.
    https://www.lifeinnorway.net/norway-is-closed-coronavirus/
    By mid-March the Norwegians completely shut the borders for any incoming foreign nationals, closed schools, banned public gatherings and quarantined citizens who returned from abroad after 25 February for 2 weeks. They've now allowed EEA citizens to enter (non-EEA are banned), but everyone has to quarantine at home for 10 days. This is how it's done. Greece was similarly quick and stringent.

    Now what is the Irish government doing? Just jail us at home for months but allow import of cases from abroad.

    EDIT: By the way Norwegian government never restricted people in terms of far they can travel within the country, just advised to avoid non-essential travels. No policing of this.


  • #2635
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    Boggles wrote: »
    Fúck knows.
    Their advice is "healthy" people should not wear masks in public.
    ACtually, they are smart. They don't explicitly say when you shouldn't wear a mask. They just explicitly say when you should wear a mask.

    And they conveniently defer the recommendation/mandate to "decision makers".

    If you ask me, this is a very cynical approach. And unscientific of course, which is shocking for a body that should be based on empirical evidence etc.


  • #2636
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    McGiver wrote: »
    It is your personal choice not to wear a hat.

    It is not your personal choice to spread a deadly disease.

    You are totally wrong. And this is the key point in this discussion about masks and other covid measures.

    No point giving out to people about this. It's the government that's allowing it.


  • #2637
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    No point giving out to people about this. It's the government that's allowing it.

    I don't give out. Just showing that this argument about "personal choice" is fatally flawed. This is not a matter of personal choice.


  • #2638
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Yes: valved
    The World Health Organisation actually conditionally recommends masks be worn in severve infulenza outbreaks.

    Screengrabs of convo with WHO consultant and WHO Publication: G L O B A L I N F L U E N Z A P R O G R A M M E : Non pharmaceutical public health measures for mitigating the risk and impact of epidemic and pandemic influenza.

    Publication covers 15 measures all in all, masks just being one. Hand hygiene, respiratory etiquette and facemasks all fall under peronsal protection measure's.


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    *Noone = No one


  • #2639
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Yes: valved
    More screengrabs from above publication. It's worth reading in full.

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  • #2640
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Yes: valved
    I was being hopeful for a few days but cases are creeping back up again and this is without the use of masks/face coverings.


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  • #2641
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    McGiver wrote: »
    Yes, but the Irish Gov experts you cited do have crystal balls. Going by performance I trust ECDC crystal balls (which they are not) more than Irish Gov crystal balls. Sorry...


    This is an outright lie and should be reported as trolling.

    I didn’t cite any Irish experts predicting the future. I used real world evidence that is currently happening in Denmark.


    Anyone that disagrees with me is a troll #yawn.


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