Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Arghus · 21-05-2020 06:48PM

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

Actions speak louder than words. They have not eased rather restricted further.

What?

What are you talking about?

These not going to ease anything yet, they're only 4 days into phase 1. They won't have a sense of whether the transmission rate has fallen or risen for another 7-10 days.

And how have they restricted further? There's more shops open than last week: there's less restrictions.

Kermit.de.frog · 21-05-2020 06:49PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

For the bolded part, I reckon the same can be said for both sides of the arguments.
I follow this thread regularly (although I only post every now and again) and I found today a rather "bad day at the office", very little discussion whatsoever, just people snapping at each other.

The aggressiveness is only coming from one side of the fence. They seem to see caution and concern as some sort of infringement upon their rights or something.

I put it down to worry myself.

growleaves · 21-05-2020 06:50PM

the kelt wrote: »

It’s all making sense now, it’s actually an addiction to misery!

It’s like Bane in the Batman film.

“Bane: Oh, you think darkness is your ally. But you merely adopted the dark; I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING! The shadows betray you, because they belong to me!

“You merely adopted lockdown, it betrays you, lockdown belongs to me and my twitchy curtain”

I LOL'd.

Arghus · 21-05-2020 06:51PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Let's put the cards on the table here.

The increasing minority of people left who are still supporting the lockdown despite a downward trend in cases and deaths -

- Miserable curtain twitchers.
- Long term unemployed, who want everyone else to live like them.
- People who are now better off receiving the €350 a week while they worked part time before. And prefer to stay at home because of that reason.

A lot of you don't believe it, but the majority of people outside this thread - in the real world - support the lockdown and easing it gradually.

polesheep · 21-05-2020 06:51PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Or you could have had it delivered, you know by the postal service and couriers that have been providing a consistent essential service.

Or you could have used the public transport that still running, because that also an essential service

Do you see were this is going?????

I know where the car was going, nowhere. The part could not be got without breaking lockdown and there is no bus service that my wife could have used.

boring accountant · 21-05-2020 06:52PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Real life as in reality? Because the reality at the moment is that we can see what is essential and what isn’t.

You can make an argument for May 2019 or May 2021 but in May 2020 there are a lot of people not working because their job is unnecessary in the current situation. That will change once we can lift restrictions, but it is the current reality.

You’re just engaging in pedantic nonsense in a shameful attempt to get a rise out of people who’s livelihoods are being destroyed.

snowcat · 21-05-2020 06:53PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

You could be killed crossing the road.

Buts thats why the government have installed pedestrian crossings, traffic lights, speed restrictions, driver training. You know I think you could probably collectively call those things preventative measures to limit the amount of people who die crossing roads.......

Do you want me to spell it out clearer for you, or will you masters in a scientific discipline be able to see how terrible your argument here is.

I have a scientific disipline as well. And i would like it spelled out. Since you have used the road deaths analogy. Please explain what sense it would make for Ireland to have completely different strategy on Road Traffic legislation than all their other neighbours in the EU.

Kermit.de.frog · 21-05-2020 06:53PM

Arghus wrote: »

A lot of you don't believe it, but the majority of people outside this thread - in the real world - support the lockdown and easing it gradually.

+1

Without a shadow of a doubt the majority of people in this country want things done in a safe and careful manner.

iamwhoiam · 21-05-2020 06:59PM

Arghus wrote: »

A lot of you don't believe it, but the majority of people outside this thread - in the real world - support the lockdown and easing it gradually.

Anyone I have spoken to, family , neighbours, friends support the slow easing but to a man find the 5kms and 20kms restrictions ridiculous .

snowcat · 21-05-2020 07:00PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

+1

Without a shadow of a doubt the majority of people in this country want things done in a safe and careful manner.

That is absolutely correct but we also can see what has worked for our neighbours and are exasperated that our powers that be seem to be ignoring or ignorant of what has happened in other countries. It is obvious that relaxating restrictions expediently and carefully/safely does not lead to a noticable change in cases. Can we in the name of someone holy have a look at what these countries are doing and copy them.

RobitTV · 21-05-2020 07:01PM

I'm not questioning the lockdown itself at all and the overwhelming majority agreed with it back in March when it was first announced.

But the timescale of the phased plan that was announced by the government has to be questioned. Do we honestly need a phased plan that lasts until mid August? while the rest of Europe will begin easing restrictions significantly as soon as June.

I'm not saying lets all go in and open up everything tomorrow. That would be irresponsible and risky.

But we need to get the economy moving once again and people need to interact with others again because it's only natural human instinct that we as humans interact with others around us.

Let's protect the elderly and the vulnerable and lets keep social distancing going and get young, healthy individuals back to work.

crossman47 · 21-05-2020 07:01PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Our government is destroying businesses. Theyve been at it for months now so hardly surprising.

So a large queue at a store is evidence of government destroying business. Not much logic there.

lawrencesummers · 21-05-2020 07:01PM

snowcat wrote: »

I have a scientific disipline as well. And i would like it spelled out. Since you have used the road deaths analogy. Please explain what sense it would make for Ireland to have completely different strategy on Road Traffic legislation than all their other neighbours in the EU.

Do you and your scientific disipline not realize that Ireland and the Rest of the EU countries do not actually have the same road laws.

I hope your not embarrassed by the ridiculous post I had to reply to.

road_high · 21-05-2020 07:03PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

+1

Without a shadow of a doubt the majority of people in this country want things done in a safe and careful manner.

And are the willing to pay the vast costs involved for this so called “safety”? I’m talking massive cuts to welfare and public services. Because this isn’t sone kind of non binary choice

lawrencesummers · 21-05-2020 07:03PM

boring accountant wrote: »

You’re just engaging in pedantic nonsense in a shameful attempt to get a rise out of people who’s livelihoods are being destroyed.

No I’m not, what your doing is being unable to put people livelihood secondary to peoples lives.

road_high · 21-05-2020 07:04PM

crossman47 wrote: »

So a large queue at a store is evidence of government destroying business. Not much logic there.

It is if the takings and ability to sell are greatly constrained with higher costs they are. Pretty basic economics

growleaves · 21-05-2020 07:08PM

C__MC wrote: »

Can the government not fast track counties with low cases to open up quicker?

They can. The emergency legislation has scope for regional variation re lockdown. Its not in the stated plan though I don't think

In other words, they can but its unlikely they will.

pjohnson · 21-05-2020 07:11PM

Arghus wrote: »

A lot of you don't believe it, but the majority of people outside this thread - in the real world - support the lockdown and easing it gradually.

Its not the first time a "boards majority" has been completely detached from reality :pac:

Breezin · 21-05-2020 07:11PM

A must-read on the failed logic of the lockdown...

Sunetra Gupta: Covid-19 is on the way out... https://unherd.com/2020/05/oxford-doubles-down-sunetra-gupta-interview/

robbiezero · 21-05-2020 07:16PM

Arghus wrote: »

A lot of you don't believe it, but the majority of people outside this thread - in the real world - support the lockdown and easing it gradually.

Can we get a link to that fact please?

snowcat · 21-05-2020 07:17PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Do you and your scientific disipline not realize that Ireland and the Rest of the EU countries do not actually have the same road laws.

I hope your not embarrassed by the ridiculous post I had to reply to.

The EU has broadly similiar road laws. Speed limits are set by different countries as they see fit, similiar to counties in Ireland setting their speed limits on roads as they see fit. Motorways have a set standard. Alcohol similiar levels etc etc. Countries in Europe with the worst road death rates look to better performing countries to see what they are doing right and implement their measures. Can we not do the same for Covid? Now please spell out.

And we are one of the worst performing countries in Europe and a bit of a laughing stock internationally with our glacial lockdown policy so I dont think anyone will be looking to us for advice.

Kermit.de.frog · 21-05-2020 07:19PM

snowcat wrote: »

The EU has broadly similiar road laws. Speed limits are set by different countries as they see fit, similiar to counties in Ireland setting their speed limits on roads as they see fit. Motorways have a set standard. Alcohol similiar levels etc etc. Countries in Europe with the worst road death rates look to better performing countries to see what they are doing right and implement their measures. Can we not do the same for Covid? Now please spell out.

Countries in Europe also did their own thing throughout this.

When it comes down to it they do what is in their national interests.

Jackman25 · 21-05-2020 07:20PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The aggressiveness is only coming from one side of the fence. They seem to see caution and concern as some sort of infringement upon their rights or something.

I put it down to worry myself.

Says the lad ****ting himself over The imaginary second wave coming in the Autumn.
I'd say the lockdown has made very little difference to your life as is evident in the way you think it is only preventing people from getting a haircut and driving 100 miles. Some people do more with their day than just refreshing news sites trying to be the first to post some doom-laded update.

Maybe change your name to Hermit.de.Frog.

pjohnson · 21-05-2020 07:22PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

Says the lad ****ting himself over The imaginary second wave coming in the Autumn.
I'd say the lockdown has made very little difference to your life as is evident in the way you think it is only preventing people from getting a haircut and driving 100 miles. Some people do more with their day than just refreshing news sites trying to be the first to post some doom-laded update.

Maybe change your name to Hermit.de.Frog.

Great job showing how the agression isn't one sided :pac:

Or were you actively trying to prove his point?

is_that_so · 21-05-2020 07:23PM

Breezin wrote: »

A must-read on the failed logic of the lockdown...

Sunetra Gupta: Covid-19 is on the way out... https://unherd.com/2020/05/oxford-doubles-down-sunetra-gupta-interview/

I'm really not much better informed TBH and it's all about the UK. She says test, we test. She also confirms what Nolan said this evening and as antibody tests have shown elsewhere, very low levels. She also refers to the 1918 Spanish Flu, not a good thing, and then goes on to talk about balance and what's not known.

Kermit.de.frog · 21-05-2020 07:24PM

Jackman25 wrote: »

Maybe change your name to Hermit.de.Frog.

Nah, I like my name. :cool:

Exhibit A on aggressiveness btw.

RobitTV · 21-05-2020 07:27PM

Let's have some positive news:

- Spain’s daily death toll from the coronavirus was 48, its health ministry said on Thursday, marking the first time it has dipped below 50 since 16 March.

- The Greek prime minister, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, has said that the country’s tourism season will begin on 15 June.

“Let us make this summer the epilogue of the Covid-19 crisis,” he said in a televised address on Wednesday.

snowcat · 21-05-2020 07:29PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Countries in Europe also did their own thing throughout this.

When it comes down to it they do what is in their national interests.

And what is your point? Can we not do something in our national interest? Their national interest has improved. Ours has not and we are losing HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS a week.
Think about this the childrens hospital would be paid with 6 weeks of continued lockdown from the costs of the lockdown. (Disclaimer Not an audited figure)

robbiezero · 21-05-2020 07:33PM

What harm is it that we are world-renowned for our pubs?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Hey, if your happy the country's only selling point is facilitating Temple Bar for British lager louts and stags or the Guinness Store house as it's main attraction, fair enough.

Some of us have hopes of a higher standard for the country beyond "come here, get drunk".

Maybe this can be a catalyst for reinventing how we market the country.

What a disingenuous response that is. You really are a weaselly poster.

Jackman25 · 21-05-2020 07:35PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Great job showing how the agression isn't one sided :pac:

Or were you actively trying to prove his point?

What are you scuttering about now?

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings