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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Tony EH wrote: »
    It's only been 9 weeks.

    9 WEEKS

    In several years time, the vast majority of people will be hard pressed to even remember the Coronvirus outbreak and the mild affect it had on their lives. :rolleyes:

    Agree, I feel some are losing perspective on this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Strazdas wrote: »
    That's exactly what he said.

    He also said he is highly sceptical of the idea that there are huge numbers of asymptomatic cases in any country.
    It does seem that asymptomatic cases are very rare but their potential to spread the virus makes them very dangerous.

    It's the pre-symptomatic cases that are the big worry. It has been shown that viral shedding can occur for 2 to 3 days before symptoms are evident, and that peak viral shedding happens around the beginning of the illness.

    That is why so many countries recommend face covering or masking. 88% of the world's population lives in countries that recommend or mandate the usage of masks in public and 75+ countries have mandated the use of masks.

    The pre-symptomatic spread may also explain why it went from one case to five million cases in ~ 6 months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Are you serious???
    Do you think people who went through the last serous upheaval in their lives, ie the financial crash have forgotten?
    The restrictions started in March, if the road map is followed there will still be restrictions up to August. Is that 9 weeks?

    Stop acting like an old maid, FFS.

    We're not even into a single business quarter with this virus yet, and you come on here every bleeding day banging on with shite.

    The restrictions here have been mild and even if it lasts until August in some form or another, it'll have been a relatively short blip on most people's lives.

    In a few years time, you'll be hard pressed to recall the Corona virus. It'll be something you'll see on 'Reeling in the Years' and go Oh yeah, I remember that...vaguely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    INMO Trolley Watch figures for May 20th 2020.

    60 beds short this morning, Cork and Limerick having the most problems.

    https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Obviously there’s no herd immunity as there’s been lockdown for the last 8 weeks? The herd immunity theory is to get as many young healthy people to get the virus as possible in the hopes that they’ll develop immunity to the virus. That tweet rubbishes nothing and actually highlights how vulnerable lockdown leaves the population.

    Herd immunity would mean having 75% of the population infected for it to be effective. It's not known the level of duration of immunity yet. It's already been dismissed as a strategy as WHO. Just need to look at Sweden's experience to show what consequences are.


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  • Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Stop acting like an old maid, FFS.

    We're not even into a single business quarter with this virus yet, and you come on here every bleeding day banging on with shite.

    The restrictions here have been mild and even if it lasts until August in some form or another, it'll have been a relatively short blip on most people's lives.

    In a few years time, you'll be hard pressed to recall the Corona virus. It'll be something you'll see on 'Reeling in the Years' and go Oh yeah, I remember that...vaguely.

    Indeed. "What about the future of my children" being a case in point. Some people are all too happy to jump to extremes to justify their bitter impatience.


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Stop acting like an old maid, FFS.

    We're not even into a single business quarter with this virus yet, and you come on here every bleeding day banging on with shite.

    The restrictions here have been mild and even if it lasts until August in some form or another, it'll have been a relatively short blip on most people's lives.

    In a few years time, you'll be hard pressed to recall the Corona virus. It'll be something you'll see on 'Reeling in the Years' and go Oh yeah, I remember that...vaguely.

    This "single business quarter" you speak of will f`uck plenty of future business quarters up, and employment problems in some sectors. And when we have to pay back for it, which will take a significant period of time, I don't think people will fondly remember it as a 'short blip' :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Stop acting like an old maid, FFS.

    We're not even into a single business quarter with this virus yet, and you come on here every bleeding day banging on with shite.

    The restrictions here have been mild and even if it lasts until August in some form or another, it'll have been a relatively short blip on most people's lives.

    In a few years time, you'll be hard pressed to recall the Corona virus. It'll be something you'll see on 'Reeling in the Years' and go Oh yeah, I remember that...vaguely.

    Tony I responded to you without a personal slight, maybe you could do the same prehaps?
    Lastly you don't get to say what other people's experiences are, only your own.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


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    Obviously there’s no herd immunity as there’s been lockdown for the last 8 weeks? The herd immunity theory is to get as many young healthy people to get the virus as possible in the hopes that they’ll develop immunity to the virus. That tweet rubbishes nothing and actually highlights how vulnerable lockdown leaves the population.

    If I'm not mistaken, 'the herd immunity theory' has never been tried with live virus, only as part of vaccination programmes, using dead virus. The last time we (involuntarily) tried it, with 'Spanish' Flu, 50 million people died.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Cork has passed Kildare again in terms of cases, Cork at 1386 and Kildare at 1381.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Agree, I feel some are losing perspective on this.

    Yes. You and Tony, for starters.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Cork has passed Kildare again in terms of cases, Cork at 1386 and Kildare at 1381.

    Population of Cork county 500k plus.
    Population of Kildare county 222k plus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    davedanon wrote: »
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    If I'm not mistaken, 'the herd immunity theory' has never been tried with live virus, only as part of vaccination programmes, using dead virus. The last time we (involuntarily) tried it, with 'Spanish' Flu, 50 million people died.

    You're right. Here's Dr Michael Ryan of the WHO discussing it recently:

    ''Humans are not herds, and, as such, the concept of herd immunity is generally reserved for calculating how many people will need to be vaccinated and the population in order to generate that effect.

    “This is a serious disease, this is public enemy number one, we have been saying it over and over and over and over again.”

    He said “no one is safe until everyone is safe”, adding: “So I do think this idea that ‘maybe countries who had lax measures and haven’t done anything will all of a sudden magically reach some herd immunity, and so what if we lose a few old people along the way?’ – this is a really dangerous, dangerous calculation.''

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/humans-are-not-herds-whos-dr-mike-ryan-says-herd-immunity-concept-is-dangerous-999016.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Population of Cork county 500k plus.
    Population of Kildare county 222k plus.

    I know, I was just stating it since its a change... Most likely reason is due to the number of nursing homes in Kildare adding to its numbers originally and now the meat factories in Cork.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    I know, I was just stating it since its a change... Most likely reason is due to the number of nursing homes in Kildare adding to its numbers originally and now the meat factories in Cork.

    The direct provision centre which has featured on the media in recent days I would imagine is a factor too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 21 May 2020 @ 08:00 hrs. CET.

    novel-coronavirus-cases-EU-UK-2020-05-21.png?itok=cDzIrBbq

    Daily cases tailing off in Europe but no results from UK today.

    Larger clickable version here :- https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Watching the Six One news, you'd swear the party has started already. Scenes of young people congregating in large numbers at beaches and train stations. If this doesn't translate into a steady increase of Covid-19 cases I would be most surprised. Disappointing to say the least, obviously patience has snapped for some.

    That was always going to happen if the virus was surprressed (allbeit temporarily) and the weather turned nice.

    At some point, collective patience was always going to wear thin - there's no point in denying it. Also, people are, at some point, going to prioritise their own mental health, and that's NOT being selfish.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    davedanon wrote: »
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    If I'm not mistaken, 'the herd immunity theory' has never been tried with live virus, only as part of vaccination programmes, using dead virus. The last time we (involuntarily) tried it, with 'Spanish' Flu, 50 million people died.

    Was it herd immunity that ended Spanish Flu? If that was the case would it not be one single wave?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    The direct provision centre which has featured on the media in recent days I would imagine is a factor too.

    Isn't that in Kerry?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Isn't that in Kerry?

    My bad the people of Kerry will be very annoyed at my mistake.
    Cheers for the correction.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That was always going to happen if the virus was surprressed (allbeit temporarily) and the weather turned nice.

    At some point, collective patience was always going to wear thin - there's no point in denying it. Also, people are, at some point, going to prioritise their own mental health, and that's NOT being selfish.
    There is no surprise. They drew attention to and predicted this kind of possibility in the very early days before any measures had been introduced.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Was it herd immunity that ended Spanish Flu? If that was the case would it not be one single wave?

    I don't know. The second wave was more deadly than the first, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Stop acting like an old maid, FFS.

    We're not even into a single business quarter with this virus yet, and you come on here every bleeding day banging on with shite.

    The restrictions here have been mild and even if it lasts until August in some form or another, it'll have been a relatively short blip on most people's lives.

    In a few years time, you'll be hard pressed to recall the Corona virus. It'll be something you'll see on 'Reeling in the Years' and go Oh yeah, I remember that...vaguely.

    Yes indeed, sure we often close the pubs, schools, most shops and cancel sports for a few months.
    Mild? it's positively routine !!

    And there's the cancellation of many religious gatherings - more mildness !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    My bad the people of Kerry will be very annoyed at my mistake.
    Cheers for the correction.

    I think the people of Cork more so! :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Was it herd immunity that ended Spanish Flu? If that was the case would it not be one single wave?
    One theory is that the virus may have mutated itself to something far less lethal, not an unusual occurrence and like SARS the more deadly version dies out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    is_that_so wrote: »
    One theory is that the virus may have mutated itself to something far less lethal, not an unusual occurrence and like SARS the more deadly version dies out.

    I had read a single report from Italy that the cases they were seeing recently seemed a lot milder. As opposed to 80 cases arriving at hospital per day and being admitted, recently it’s been 10 arriving and 8 are fine to recover at home. But it wasn’t widely reported and haven’t heard much since.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Yes indeed, sure we often close the pubs, schools, most shops and cancel sports for a few months.
    Mild? it's positively routine !

    I didn't mention anything about "often" or "routine". :rolleyes:

    But this has been about 9 weeks since we put restrictions in place just before Paddys day and there are a group of posters on here every day...ALL day...banging on with nonsense like "permanent" and "perpetual" and "forever", just because they want to lift the restrictions and the consequences be damned.

    Covid-19 is merely a pain in the arse for the vast majority of people. It means they can't get to the boozer for wee while. Their "routine" has been slightly interrupted.

    There's no need for all the hair pulling and talking gibberish about permanent or indefinite lockdowns.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    is_that_so wrote: »
    One theory is that the virus may have mutated itself to something far less lethal, not an unusual occurrence and like SARS the more deadly version dies out.

    I think that is a common viral trait, although I am no expert and would need to do some research to back it up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,343 ✭✭✭Be right back


    I had read a single report from Italy that the cases they were seeing recently seemed a lot milder. As opposed to 80 cases arriving at hospital per day and being admitted, recently it’s been 10 arriving and 8 are fine to recover at home. But it wasn’t widely reported and haven’t heard much since.

    I read that too. Appears to be going in the right direction, particularly as Italy had a tough time of it


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Tony EH wrote: »
    I didn't mention anything about "often" or "routine". :rolleyes:

    But this has been about 9 weeks since we put restrictions in place just before Paddys day and there are a group of posters on here every day...ALL day...banging on with nonsense like "permanent" and "perpetual" and "forever", just because they want to lift the restrictions and the consequences be damned.

    Covid-19 is merely a pain in the arse for the vast majority of people. It means they can't get to the boozer for wee while. Their "routine" has been slightly interrupted.

    There's no need for all the hair pulling and talking gibberish about permanent or indefinite lockdowns.


    Don't worry, Tone. We see how hard you are. This **** doesn't phase you, we get it.


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