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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #7262
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    polesheep wrote: »
    We cannot afford to continue with a lockdown of those least at risk and we absolutely cannot afford to do it again. So we are obliged to look for ways to protect those most at risk whilst allowing those least at risk to continue with life as normal as possible.

    The Italian PM today.

    http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-italian-pm-says-country-is-over-worst-and-cannot-afford-to-wait-for-vaccine-before-restarting-economy-11992065


  • #7263
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,291 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Very interesting numbers at the briefing : their modelling expert thinks as few as 1% of the Irish population (50k people) have been exposed to the virus and that's his best guess.


  • #7264
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Effectively rubbishing herd immunity theory

    https://twitter.com/juneshannon/status/1263520265335648257


  • #7265
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,151 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Nah i dont , its his 2nd night off in 2 months and hes been at every press conference monday to sunday until yesterday i believe.

    Monday to Friday.

    No department of health briefings at the weekend.

    He missed a few with a health scare back near the start. So I'd be a bit curious about where he has dissappeared too - because they were adamant yesterday he'd be giving the briefing today.

    It might be nothing, it probably is nothing, but, y'know, it is a bit curious.


  • #7266
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The Italian PM today.

    http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-italian-pm-says-country-is-over-worst-and-cannot-afford-to-wait-for-vaccine-before-restarting-economy-11992065

    Damn, there goes my anonymity. :D


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  • #7267
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    More like "only" 99.8% survive. And that's worst case. But yeah, let's just suspend life altogether because of it

    Come on, it's just ridiculous to say things like that. It's not the end of the world but it's certainly not 0.2% of infected dying 'worst case', 1.2% of Spaniards who caught the virus died, and that is excluding the unreported deaths. That is a fact , not an opinion.

    It's an extremely serious issue and public health concern, anyone who says different is either indifferent as they are not at risk, or completely misinformed of the facts.But still, it's not going to end the world, sadly almost all posters sit on your end with the insanely ignorant 'nothing to see here'mantra 'why dont we just open up 'or else the other end which claim this virus will kill us all and we need to hide in lockdown forever, makes almost all of these threads so incredibly circular and tedious with almost no posters sitting anywhere in any kind of middleground. Where are they all


  • #7268
    mr zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭mr zulu


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The Italian PM today.

    http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-italian-pm-says-country-is-over-worst-and-cannot-afford-to-wait-for-vaccine-before-restarting-economy-11992065

    Tony won't be happy to hear the Italian PM saying the worst is behind us.


  • #7269
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Very interesting numbers at the briefing : their modelling expert thinks as few as 1% of the Irish population (50k people) have been exposed to the virus and that's his best guess.

    Doesn’t that assume that they’ve found half the cases? Surely with stringent testing criteria and those with very mild symptoms it has to be more than that? Even if asymptomatic cases didn’t exist, it still seems conservative to think they’ve found every 2nd case.


  • #7270
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,291 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Effectively rubbishing herd immunity theory

    https://twitter.com/juneshannon/status/1263520265335648257

    He elaborated even further and said his best estimate was that only 1% have ever had the virus.

    He says that studies elsewhere supposedly showing large numbers of asymptomatic people are unreliable and not to be trusted.


  • #7271
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    owlbethere wrote: »
    https://www.euronews.com/2020/05/20/coronavirus-minks-test-positive-for-covid-19-at-two-dutch-farms

    Have a look at this. There's a Dutch mink farm and it's believed a worker there contracted the covid19 infection from a mink. Also cats acn get the covid19 infection. Is animal to human infection only happening from mink to human or is it only happening in the Netherlands. Are we OK here with cats. There's no evidence that cats and pets can give it to humans. Is it only mink to human?

    Mink farms in 2020 ??

    Who tf is buying their "product" ??


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  • #7272
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,151 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    An intelligent question there from the guy with a voice from a Regency Period drama.


  • #7273
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,291 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Doesn’t that assume that they’ve found half the cases? Surely with stringent testing criteria and those with very mild symptoms it has to be more than that? Even if asymptomatic cases didn’t exist, it still seems conservative to think they’ve found every 2nd case.

    That's exactly what he said.

    He also said he is highly sceptical of the idea that there are huge numbers of asymptomatic cases in any country.


  • #7274
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Curious_Case wrote: »
    Mink farms in 2020 ??

    Who tf is buying their "product" ??

    Southern Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia, China, etc. You'd be surprised. :|


  • #7275
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Strazdas wrote: »
    That's exactly what he said.

    He also said he is highly sceptical of the idea that there are huge numbers of asymptomatic cases in any country.

    In fairness, if that was the case, contact tracing wouldn’t work anywhere, such as South Korea. Jaysus. Same with the theory that it was circulating in dec all around the world. You wouldn’t have been able to contain it in NZ for example.


  • #7276
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,151 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Finally - someone mentions the elephant in the room: there's fck all people wearing masks.


  • #7277
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    New Home wrote: »
    Southern Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia, China, etc. You'd be surprised. :|

    I honestly am. The mink, and lots of other species, won't be sorry to see a few billion of us go . . .


  • #7278
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Come on, it's just ridiculous to say things like that. It's not the end of the world but it's certainly not 0.2% of infected dying 'worst case', 1.2% of Spaniards who caught the virus died, and that is excluding the unreported deaths. It's an extremely serious issue and public health concern but it's not going to end the world, sadly almost all posters sit on your end with the insanely ignorant 'nothing to see here'mantra 'why dont we just open up 'or else the other end which claim this virus will kill us all and we need to hide in lockdown forever, makes almost all of these threads so incredibly circular and tedious with almost no posters sitting anywhere in any kind of middleground. Where are they all


    A lot of people have jumped ship from this thread to be fair. It's just the same shít repeated over and over by the same people. There isn't a lot of discussion happening, the people who have taken up amateur epidemiology in the last few months are now bona fide experts in the field and dare you not have a different take on things because you are wrong! :pac:


  • #7279
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Are we on a trend upward as regards cases with easing of restrictions?


  • #7280
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,151 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    In fairness, if that was the case, contact tracing wouldn’t work anywhere, such as South Korea. Jaysus. Same with the theory that it was circulating in dec all around the world. You wouldn’t have been able to contain it in NZ for example.

    The idea that it was circulating all over the place towards the end of last year is wishful thinking on the part of people who really want to believe it.

    The explosion of exponential growth and ICU admissions that began in March only makes sense with the introduction of a novel virus in the country at roughly around the time it was first detected.


  • #7281
    Plumbthedepths
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    Arghus wrote: »
    Finally - someone mentions the elephant in the room: there's fck all people wearing masks.

    I really don't understand the reluctance to wear a mask, yet widespread use of cross contaminating gloves.
    Masks stop you infecting others, simple logic.


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  • #7282
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,291 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    In fairness, if that was the case, contact tracing wouldn’t work anywhere, such as South Korea. Jaysus. Same with the theory that it was circulating in dec all around the world. You wouldn’t have been able to contain it in NZ for example.

    I think the asymptomatic thing has probably been vastly overstated. There are definitely such people out there, but the idea that there are five or ten asymptomatic people for every symptomatic one is starting to look very far fetched.


  • #7283
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,151 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Are we on a trend upward as regards cases with easing of restrictions?

    We won't know for about another 7-10 days. People that are being picked up now would have contracted the disease anything from a week to three/four weeks ago.


  • #7284
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,291 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Are we on a trend upward as regards cases with easing of restrictions?

    Not so far anyway, but they say it would take about ten days for this to show up.


  • #7285
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,151 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I really don't understand the reluctance to wear a mask, yet widespread use of cross contaminating gloves.
    Masks stop you infecting others, simple logic.

    Because more and more people think it'll be grand and it's nothing to worry about.


  • #7286
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Arghus wrote: »
    Because more and more people think it'll be grand and it's nothing to worry about.

    The lack of information from official sources has an impact too. Czech Republic made face masks mandatory in March, the virus was suppressed. Yet a Czech expert was on Primetime stating this but he was dismissed by two Irish experts Cillian DeGascun being one of them.


  • #7287
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Effectively rubbishing herd immunity theory

    https://twitter.com/juneshannon/status/1263520265335648257

    Obviously there’s no herd immunity as there’s been lockdown for the last 8 weeks? The herd immunity theory is to get as many young healthy people to get the virus as possible in the hopes that they’ll develop immunity to the virus. That tweet rubbishes nothing and actually highlights how vulnerable lockdown leaves the population.


  • #7288
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,706 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I suspect too that most European governments are now coming to the idea that they will have to live with the idea of risk and continuing to function alongside that risk. If Covid-19 is hovering in the background, then so be it : everyday life in all sectors will have to go on and cannot be shut down indefinitely.
    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    More like "only" 99.8% survive. And that's worst case. But yeah, let's just suspend life altogether because of it

    It's only been 9 weeks.

    9 WEEKS

    In several years time, the vast majority of people will be hard pressed to even remember the Coronvirus outbreak and the mild affect it had on their lives. :rolleyes:


  • #7289
    Mike3287
    Closed Accounts Posts: 379 ✭✭Mike3287


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    The CDC are now saying that it doesn't spread easily on surfaces. So no need to be disinfecting our shopping

    Never mind surfaces

    It doesnt spread easily at all it seems

    Its been around since November and infected less than 5% of population in most countries worldwide 6 months later.

    But every man, woman and child had the flu going around at Christmas, that thing was contagious

    They've overlooked something these scientists with Covid


  • #7290
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Tony EH wrote: »
    It's only been 9 weeks.

    9 WEEKS

    In several years time, the vast majority of people will be hard pressed to even remember the Coronvirus outbreak and the mild affect it had on their lives. :rolleyes:

    And those older people cocooning will no longer be alive anyway


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  • #7291
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Tony EH wrote: »
    It's only been 9 weeks.

    9 WEEKS

    In several years time, the vast majority of people will be hard pressed to even remember the Coronvirus outbreak and the mild affect it had on their lives. :rolleyes:

    Are you serious???
    Do you think people who went through the last serous upheaval in their lives, ie the financial crash have forgotten?
    The restrictions started in March, if the road map is followed there will still be restrictions up to August. Is that 9 weeks?


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