Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

NDWC wrote: »

So far there's been zero evidence of a second wave anywhere, I don't know why certain people are talking about it like it's an inevitability

Iran on the way back up https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iran/

is_that_so wrote:

Apparently they are choosing the best assay(test) over the next week so yes. De Gascun has been talking about it for a few weeks. 5,000 is very manageable and it is just sample and test it.

What's the 5,000 in reference to?

Antibody testing could be more cumbersome than the swab testing in terms of getting the samples.

Blood will have to be drawn by those trained in phlebotomy. I wouldnt think drive through sites wont be suitable for that.

If GPs or practice nurses are busy taking samples for antibody tests this will effect patients that need blood taken for routine blood tests.

Martina1991 wrote: »

What's the 5,000 in reference to?

Antibody testing could be more cumbersome than the swab testing in terms of getting the samples.

Blood will have to be drawn by those trained in phlebotomy. I wouldnt think drive through sites wont be suitable for that.

If GPs or practice nurses are busy taking samples for antibody tests this will effect patients that need blood taken for routine blood tests.

According to this article (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coronavirus-ireland-to-start-antibody-testing-early-next-month-1.4259083)

Dr Cillian De Gascun (director of the National Virus Reference Laboratory) says the plan is to test a sample of 5,000 people from two geographic regions, and repeat a few times over the coming year. If they find that 5,000 is too low (that not enough of them show signs of having been exposed), they'll increase that. Blood tests with lab analysis will be used whatever specific test they settle on.

Over 3,000 regular blood donations handled by the IBTS each week, so it doesn't seem impossible to organise the one-off taking of 5,000 blood samples with minimal impact to other services if there's a concerted effort.

Hasn't it be shown that herd immunity can be got from as low as 20 percent of the population.

bekker wrote: »

Alan Kelly TD trying to get clarification on 2-hour exposure in 24 hours as applicable generally, getting no answer after 3 attempts.

Harris waffling all over the place, no answer.

https://www.thejournal.ie/close-contacts-two-hours-5104123-May2020/

iamwhoiam wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/close-contacts-two-hours-5104123-May2020/

Linked piece adds no clarity, refers to retrospective evaluation, not forward guidelines to businesses.

You seemingly fail to understand the function of the Dáil and the responsibilities of Ministers by linking to such a piece..

5k distance has become a joke,
A quick look on instagram and every second person is far further than 5 k form there home,
I even know people who have drove the motor way from Dublin to Cork and back twice this wek without being stopped once ,

I guess the 5k limit makes little sense to beging with as long as you social distance ,

NegativeCreep wrote: »

What’s the alternative? Lockdown until there’s a vaccine? Also I don’t think the recent carnage will be seen again now that social distancing and general hand washing and respiratory hygiene are now known things that can keep this virus somewhat at bay

The 'waiting for a vaccine' thing is a definite non runner. Scientists admit there may never be one (or it could take 5-10 years).

NegativeCreep wrote:

You actually think we’re going to eradicate this virus? Not a chance. What happens trade during this eradication period? We just don’t import or export anything?

Of course we can import and export. Why do you think we cannot? We can have drivers delivering and collecting from our ports. I'm sure they'd be delighted to do that rather than drive overseas to covid-19 riddled countries.

This thing about two hours is being totally misunderstood. They are not giving that advice to all businesses. They are only trying to say that anyone in a room for two hours may be considered a close contact. So its fine for businesses to have 20 people in an office, but if one of them tests positive all 20 will be contacted and tested, as they said they are now testing all close contacts regardless of symptoms. The other 19 will have to self isolate until they get a result. Its not more regulation for business, its a definition of close contact thats been there all along but only came to prominence now because Dail officials decided, based on that, they could not let all members of a Dail Committee have to potentially self isolate. I think its the decision of the Dail thats the problem, not the general health advice.

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Herd immunity... but at what cost !

Community screening for antibodies suggest that 4.5% of the French population and 5% of the Spanish population have been infected and (?) acquired immunity so far.

'Herd immunity' depends on between 60% and 80% of the population becoming immune. (depending on the size of R0)

That means that those two countries must repeat their recent deadly carnage 12 to 16 times before herd immunity is useful to them.

Why do pseudo-macho right wing fwits still keep banging on about this lunatic 'herd immunity' notion ?

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As Dr Michael Ryan from WHO says herd immunity is for animals. There is herd immunity in context of providing vaccination but people have been conflating this.