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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #6452
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Beasty wrote: »
    And that very fact suggests rates would be higher when it needs refinancing. The problem is interest rates could double, triple, quadruple or more. And unlike this virus many of us have experienced interest rates in double digits in our lifetime

    Even if we can maintaining such low interest rates it could well be as a result of/in line with declining living standards. Like it or not, someone has to pay for all of this, and all borrowing does is put the cost on future generations

    Then of course, who will pay for the next crisis?

    The one sure thing to bankrupt a country is to try to pay of the national debt. Will never happen, nor should it. That’s what gives you access to large amounts of liquidity when you need. The record of paying over years. Growth takes care of the interest, and just refinance the principle. If people could work and live indefinitely that would be the way to manage personal finances also. But alas we have an expiry date


  • #6453
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,604 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I wasn't following the news all day.


    Why on earth are meat plants riddled with this virus?

    Why aren't factories seeing clusters but meat plants are?

    What is the 2 hour thing?

    The meat plant environment is not conducive to social distancing. With this in mind some less than conscientious employers might have only paid lip service to creating a safe work environment if implementing social distancing measures and a general covid safe space for employees meant a reduction in output.
    Another problem is the workers tend to live in crowded accomodation.


  • #6454
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Don’t need to pay it back, just recover enough in time to allow us refinance. And the interest rates have never been lower

    ERSI was terrorising borrowing for a full year on a closed or partially closed economy.
    It was a technical theory it is impossible to do in a real world reality.
    Why.
    The amount of money needed for one whole year tough 250 billion
    ( closed economy)
    Another 50 or so billion to recapitalize the banks.
    Then you have the costs to maintain basic infrastructure for a year avarge 290 million and thats on roads , electric and water when we have a booming economy.
    So realistically if the head of the ERSI theoretically wants to borrow for a year and keep things lockdown or partially lockdown they may as well ask the EU to forget about every other country looking to borrow and let Ireland have the lot.


  • #6455
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    nacho libre wrote: »
    The meat plant environment is not conducive to social distancing. With this in mind some less than conscientious employers might have only paid lip service to creating a safe work environment if implementing social distancing measures and a general covid safe space for employees meant a reduction in output.
    Another problem is the workers tend to live in crowded accomodation.

    All those meat plants should stay shut.:mad:

    That was a really nice Burger King I had about an hour ago.:D


    Mmmmm?:confused:


  • #6456
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    Fatties getting a scolding on prime times- after age, weight is the biggest factor, not in terms of catching it but in terms of ending up in hospital.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



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  • #6457
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,116 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    Fatties getting a scolding on prime times- after age weight is the biggest factor, not in terms of catching it but in terms of ending up in hospital.

    Not only ending up in hospital but there are only so many beds for morbidly obese people


  • #6458
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭jams100


    Surely given our generally low numbers of late we should be opening up a bit quicker?
    I'm not saying open up pubs/nightclubs etc. but what is the difference between a hardware shop and a homeware shop?
    Surely if you can socially distance in a hardware shop which as seen by 99% of the supermarkets we can then why not open these shops quicker?
    I know there is an incubation period for virus but surely even a two week gap as opposed to three. Let's be honest it isn't going to have suddenly shot up because a few building sites, golf clubs and hardware sites opened is it?
    Of course we want no deaths/cases but that's just very unrealistic and we could be waiting years for that.
    Anyway that's my 2 cents :)


  • #6459
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Not only ending up in hospital but there are only so many beds for morbidly obese people

    I saw a picture of NHS staff who had died from CV-19 and it was instantly obvious that 90% were overweight. Oftentimes we see young ages of people who have died but don’t see the full picture of what other factors effected their particular case.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #6460
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Arghus wrote: »
    All the which makes how we exit this period beyond crucial. Being extra cautious right now gives us more confidence for the future. I can't understand people's mad desire to throw the shackles of lockdown off with such fervour. It works. The confirmed cases per day has fallen steadily downward week by week. We're now in double figures, based on that trajectory we could conceivably achieve something akin to what New Zealand has within another fortnight to three weeks. That's unbelievable, considering where we were in relation to them a few weeks ago.

    Because we’re a social species and this can’t go on forever. And the brain works hard to normalise any situation. That doesn’t mean we get used try to lockdown, it means we grow weary and complacent. And frankly, some of us don’t have decades ahead of us. For some, several months is a big chunk of their remaining life. I don’t see why it’s so hard to understand. The lockdown bought us time and now it’s only natural to question where we go from here.


  • #6461
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Strumms wrote: »
    By the very nature of what the drug alcohol does, even in relative moderation...

    Changes of mood,

    Slows down your brains abilities to process information,

    Reduces the bodies natural immune system,

    Decreases the ability of the prefrontal cortex of your brain, impaired decision making folllows..

    You say that like it's a bad thing!

    Seriously though, public socialising must make a comeback. It isn't trivial in the slightest. Come winter, you would see real cabin fever if people are secluded.


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  • #6462
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    Another indicator of a potential change in the downward trend (to add to the small ICU and hospitalisation increases).

    GPBuddy collects daily, more up-to-date data on diagnoses.

    https://twitter.com/gpbuddy/status/1262850273241903104


  • #6463
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    High risk if you're obese. On Primetime earlier.


  • #6464
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭jackboy


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Adrian Hill who's co leading the Oxford vaccine on prime time sounds quite confident regarding their vacinne. Proven in the monkeys with an extremely high dose of Covid that it didn't get to the lungs, some trace of virus in the upper nasal passage but that's after an extremely high dose of covid.

    To have a vacinne that potentially reduces the extreme effects of covid would be fantastic. He sounds quite optimistic

    Why is he in the media spouting that nonsense? He seems to be enjoying the attention. Until the human testing is complete he has nothing.


  • #6465
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Brazil reports 987 new deaths and 10,500 new cases so far today. Fairly bleak.


  • #6466
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,779 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    growleaves wrote: »
    You say that like it's a bad thing!

    Seriously though, public socialising must make a comeback. It isn't trivial in the slightest. Come winter, you would see real cabin fever if people are secluded.

    It must, it just must come back in a controlled way, in a timely way. What will delay it though WILL be the self entitled mupfûcks disregarding regs and seeing us back towards square one...


  • #6467
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    jackboy wrote: »
    Why is he in the media spouting that nonsense? He seems to be enjoying the attention. Until the human testing is complete he has nothing.

    Well if you had a vacinne that is ticking the boxes so far to being a game changer you'd want to let people know.

    It's all promising. No reason to say he has nothing.


  • #6468
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    The whole cancer screening/treatment thing sounds to me as if NPHET are afraid that people are catching COVID in hospitals. If they're saying there's no community transmission, yet won't open clinics, it's as if they think that there's a risk of people catching it in clinics.


  • #6469
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭jackboy


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Well if you had a vacinne that is ticking the boxes so far to being a game changer you'd want to let people know.

    It's all promising. No reason to say he has nothing.

    He has nothing.


  • #6470
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    jackboy wrote: »
    Why is he in the media spouting that nonsense? He seems to be enjoying the attention. Until the human testing is complete he has nothing.

    Extra funding.


  • #6471
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    jackboy wrote: »
    He has nothing.
    He has a trial that has proved to be an overwhelming success. That's not nothing.


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  • #6472
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,452 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Christ. Watching Mariam on prime time is like watching Linda Martin sing 'get lucky' all over again.


  • #6473
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    YFlyer wrote: »
    High risk if you're obese. On Primetime earlier.

    Plenty of curves need flattening.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #6474
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭jackboy


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    He has a trial that has proved to be an overwhelming success. That's not nothing.

    He has no completed human trials. He is giving false hope. He needs to complete his work, then he can make media announcements.


  • #6475
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭jams100


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    Christ. Watching Mariam on prime time is like watching Linda Martin sing 'get lucky' all over again.



    Thanks for that :(


  • #6476
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    jackboy wrote: »
    He has no completed human trials. He is giving false hope. He needs to complete his work, then he can make media announcements.
    He has a completed trial on an animal with the closest DNA to a human. You'd wanna put on your glasses if you can't find hope there. I'd say you're great fun at parties.


  • #6477
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    jackboy wrote: »
    Why is he in the media spouting that nonsense? He seems to be enjoying the attention. Until the human testing is complete he has nothing.
    Maybe because people need some semblance of hope? Maybe because he, as a world renowned Professor in one of the worlds most prestiguous universities, is confident in his own abilities and those of his team. Maybe the data is proving to be so positive and that the trials are going so well that the UK government have fast-tracked development of 30 million vaccines by the end of the year. Or maybe a random Boards user is right, it is just nonsense. Nevertheless, I think I'll trust Adrian Hills judgement in this.


  • #6478
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    HSE Hosptial Operations report for today

    As of 8pm there are 364 confirmed cases and 285 suspected cases.
    At 8am that was 368 and 403 suspected cases so based off that 8pm figures we can clearly see that suspected cases doesn't quite tell us much about the overall trend.

    As of 8pm 54 in ICU down 1 from yesterday with 1 less also reported on ventilator so good news for someone there.


  • #6479
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    eagle eye wrote: »
    My biggest concern is the large amount of Irish buffoons who think they'll be alright. I'm predicting we'll be in a full on second wave by mid August. Our government not doing the right things and those buffoons being front and centre in responsibility for it.

    People have been beating that same drum since March and yet to quote cherryghost
    Ireland has had one of the lowest Covid case rate since the start of May in the entire world, let alone EU for a moderate total case count.

    So maybe wait until cases start to rise again before bleating out the self-loathing stuff.
    You would swear Ireland was the Wild West from some of the posts on here when in reality, IMO we are quite a docile, fairly obedient lot in the vast majority.


  • #6480
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    HSE Hosptial Operations report for today

    As of 8pm there are 364 confirmed cases and 285 suspected cases.
    At 8am that was 368 and 403 suspected cases so based off that 8pm figures we can clearly see that suspected cases doesn't quite tell us much about the overall trend.

    As of 8pm 54 in ICU down 1 from yesterday with 1 less also reported on ventilator so good news for someone there.
    Does the suspected cases going down suggest negative results?


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  • #6481
    Paddygreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    Plenty of curves need flattening.

    We need a minister for obesity.


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