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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #4802
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Colibri wrote: »
    If that's a new complication I'm never leaving the house again :pac:

    Damn autocorrect


  • #4803
    Colibri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Colibri


    I'm going by anecdotes but a supervisor in work told me that branches of our retail stores in Europe opened recently (our opening will model theirs) and queues were out the door like what Woodies saw today, but quickly died down over subsequent days. Customers went in, got what they needed and left.


  • #4804
    colly10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭colly10


    nc6000 wrote: »
    This is handy - allows you pick a radius of between 1KM and 20KMs

    https://2kmfromhome.com/

    Thanks, I know the site. The site give the distance as the crow flies. You may need to drive 30km to reach point that’s “inside” 20km.
    So wondering if there’s a definition on whether the 5/20k is road distance or straight line distance


  • #4805
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Colibri wrote: »
    I'm going by anecdotes but a supervisor in work told me that branches of our retail stores in Europe opened recently (our opening will model theirs) and queues were out the door like what Woodies saw today, but quickly died down over subsequent days. Customers went in, got what they needed and left.

    Yeah I think once the novelty wears off people won't give a ****e that the shops are open and will just do the old in-out job like normal.


  • #4806
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    Did they expect people to rush the doors down and not q like they have been for weeks? They should cop on themselves and open homeware next week.


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  • #4807
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    colly10 wrote:
    Thanks, I know the site. The site give the distance as the crow flies. You may need to drive 30km to reach point that’s “inside” 20km.
    So wondering if there’s a definition on whether the 5/20k is road distance or straight line distance

    It says "5km/20km radius". Also that site has been well known and publicised, including on RTE since the 2km rule was introduced and no-one from government/news outlets has said it's wrong so you can take it that it's safe to rely on imo.


  • #4808
    jibber5000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭jibber5000


    Colibri wrote: »
    The thing is too, our cases are low as hell. There's guaranteed to be extra cases once we lift up even more, and then CMO et al will sing doomsday because cases have arisen. F-ck sake.

    Was listening to Prof Anthony Staines of DCU earlier on The Last Word. Gives an insight into what many in the academic community feel on the matter.

    Claimed that flattening the curve was nonsense and we have to eridicate the virus completely until a vaccine is found. Advised that we cut ourselves off from Europe and keep our economy closed until then.

    Not one mention of the catostrophic economic consequences.

    I think this is what led to our conservative measures in the first place. Academics and Doctors advising the government without any regard for the consequences for people of the extended lockdown.


  • #4809
    Mike3287
    Closed Accounts Posts: 379 ✭✭Mike3287


    jibber5000 wrote: »
    Advised that we cut ourselves off from Europe and keep our economy closed until then

    We cant even cut off Phoenix Park

    Europe :-D


  • #4810
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,859 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Those low figures will hurt the new normal brigade

    No they’re banking on a deadly “second wave”. It’s all the hypochondriacs are fixated on now.


  • #4811
    Colibri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Colibri


    https://twitter.com/IrishDataViz/status/1259200152851619843

    I know it's from a week ago, but it stands.


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  • #4812
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Arghus wrote: »
    Well I work in a busy supermarket and my father is over 70. So I made the decision that even if the chances were low of transmitting the virus, it still, ultimately, wasn't worth it. The chances of something bad happening were in absolute terms quite low, but considering where I worked put me slightly more at risk than a regular person and also considering that my father was slightly more at risk than a regular person - I decided that it was best to err on the side of caution. It's perfectly logical and it too was a personal choice.

    I think if I was in your position, I'd likely err on the side of caution too. Hopefully you won't have to wait the 2 months and they will bring that forward, with the way things are going, I think there is a good chance of that.


  • #4813
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If admitted to ICU, there is roughly a 50% chance of dying from COVID-19 irregardless of sex, age etc. This is what is factoring into slow relaxing of restrictions. Do I think they are going through the process too slowly? Perhaps.

    But their plan is more reasonable than any the "pro economic brigade" put forward....

    It's easy to be a hurler on the ditch.

    Just looked it up. 391 people have been in ICU with COVID19 in Ireland to date. I can't find the up-to-date number of people who died in ICU but when I saw it last week it was 65. Even if it was 85 today which I'm pretty sure it isn't thats a long way off 50%.

    Found it, died in ICU: 75, under 20%. Not that thats good but wrong numbers need to be called out.


  • #4814
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    jibber5000 wrote: »
    Was listening to Prof Anthony Staines of DCU earlier on The Last Word. Gives an insight into what many in the academic community feel on the matter.

    Claimed that flattening the curve was nonsense and we have to eridicate the virus completely until a vaccine is found. Advised that we cut ourselves off from Europe and keep our economy closed until then.

    Not one mention of the catostrophic economic consequences.

    I think this is what led to our conservative measures in the first place. Academics and Doctors advising the government without any regard for the consequences for people of the extended lockdown.

    You cant eradicate a virus. It mutates, changes it complexity. This is very embaressing to hear, hes really not doing DCU any favours.


  • #4815
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    My take on the "homeware" situation. I think it suddenly dawned on them that there are only 2 IKEAs in the country, both in Dublin. I think they were paranoid that people would travel long distances on the basis "only IKEA sell what I want", and indeed it could become an easy "explanation" at Garda checkpoints. Equally they's had to cut back seriously on those checkpoints and I think their concern was that long distance travel would become the norm if loads of people were posting on social media about their trips to Dublin

    Given the large number of cases in Dublin, there would then be concerns that people could take the virus back to places that had few cases to date

    Pure speculation on my part, but it's a way I would have looked at the specifics of IKEA, and they could not pick them out as a single case - they had to keep all "homeware" stores closed for now at least


  • #4816
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Beasty wrote: »
    My take on the "homeware" situation. I think it suddenly dawned on them that there are only 2 IKEAs in the country, both in Dublin. I think they were paranoid that people would travel long distances on the basis "only IKEA sell what I want", and indeed it could become an easy "explanation" at Garda checkpoints. Equally they's had to cut back seriously on those checkpoints and I think their concern was that long distance travel would become the norm if loads of people were posting on social media about their trips to Dublin

    Given the large number of cases in Dublin, there would then be concerns that people could take the virus back to places that had few cases to date

    Pure speculation on my part, but it's a way I would have looked at the specifics of IKEA, and they could not pick them out as a single case - they had to keep all "homeware" stores closed for now at least

    I think you're on the ball there tbh


  • #4817
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    jibber5000 wrote: »
    Was listening to Prof Anthony Staines of DCU earlier on The Last Word. Gives an insight into what many in the academic community feel on the matter.

    Claimed that flattening the curve was nonsense and we have to eridicate the virus completely until a vaccine is found. Advised that we cut ourselves off from Europe and keep our economy closed until then.

    Not one mention of the catostrophic economic consequences.

    I think this is what led to our conservative measures in the first place. Academics and Doctors advising the government without any regard for the consequences for people of the extended lockdown.

    Jesus. He said that??!! He’s equally as bad as those nut jobs who tried to get the lockdown struck down in court. Just on the other end of the spectrum


  • #4818
    Colibri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Colibri


    https://twitter.com/IrishDataViz/status/1259200152851619843

    I know it's from a week ago, but it stands.

    Showing on the next page because it was at the end of the last.

    Good info.


  • #4819
    jibber5000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭jibber5000


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Jesus. He said that??!! He’s equally as bad as those nut jobs who tried to get the lockdown struck down in court. Just on the other end of the spectrum

    I had to go back and make sure I hadn't been mistaken. He's trying to get a new hashtag trending,

    #crushthecurve

    https://mobile.twitter.com/astaines/status/1262440453519147009

    It's embarrassing.


  • #4820
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Beasty wrote: »
    My take on the "homeware" situation. I think it suddenly dawned on them that there are only 2 IKEAs in the country, both in Dublin. I think they were paranoid that people would travel long distances on the basis "only IKEA sell what I want", and indeed it could become an easy "explanation" at Garda checkpoints. Equally they's had to cut back seriously on those checkpoints and I think their concern was that long distance travel would become the norm if loads of people were posting on social media about their trips to Dublin

    Given the large number of cases in Dublin, there would then be concerns that people could take the virus back to places that had few cases to date

    Pure speculation on my part, but it's a way I would have looked at the specifics of IKEA, and they could not pick them out as a single case - they had to keep all "homeware" stores closed for now at least

    Yep, I surmised as much when the 'oops, typo' announcement was made.

    Ikea is as much a day-out for people as it is somewhere to pick up a new spatula.


  • #4821
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Claire Byrne live is something that needs to be seen to be believed at the moment.

    McConkey on and hairdresser with some home made contraption. McConkey being asked to give his opinion on hairdressers and their clients. The man must be getting splinters sitting on the fench at the moment.


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  • #4822
    Colibri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Colibri


    jibber5000 wrote: »
    I had to go back and make sure I hadn't been mistaken. He's trying to get a new hashtag trending,

    #crushthecurve

    https://mobile.twitter.com/astaines/status/1262440453519147009

    It's embarrassing.

    Baffling.


    Besides, we've already pretty much crushed the curve.


  • #4823
    Colibri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Colibri


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Claire Byrne live is something that needs to be seen to be believed at the moment.

    McConkey on and hairdresser with some home made contraption. McConkey being asked to give his opinion....

    What kind of contraption lol?


  • #4824
    Beanybabog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭Beanybabog


    Arghus wrote: »
    It was all over the place last week. I must have seen twenty plus posters link to it in this forum.

    I read it. It's interesting, but it's one guy's work. It doesn't prove anything. You can't base public health decisions on the word of one obscure Israeli mathematican.

    That was a different person to the Israeli mathematician the poster quoted there. Last week everyone was discussing Michael Levitt a professor of structural biology in Stanford and a Nobel prize winner. Although they are broadly saying something similar


  • #4825
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Colibri wrote: »
    What kind of contraption lol?

    Well shes got some sort of doll sat on a chair surrounded by perspex and can only reach their hair from the side. Says she wont go infront of someone again.

    Every other country you go into the barbers or hairdresser and everyone is in masks and will be getting on with it, here they suggest you basically in an enclosed box, seems to be a hell of a lot more fear in this country than others in terms of reopening businesses and adjusting.

    She had goggles on as well and they started fogging up, pulling around at the mask etc.


  • #4826
    Colibri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Colibri


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Well shes got some sort of doll sat on a chair surrounded by perspex and can only reach their hair from the side. Says she wont go infront of someone again.

    Every other country you go into the barbers or hairdresser and everyone is in masks and will be getting on with it, here they want you basically in an enclosed box.

    She had goggles on as well and they started fogging up, pulling around at the mask etc.

    Ah ffs 😂

    Masks on both people, sorted.

    A bloody bulletproof casing isn't the answer lol


  • #4827
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Colibri wrote: »
    Ah ffs 😂

    Masks on both people, sorted.

    A bloody bulletproof casing isn't the answer lol

    Yeah I honestly dont understand it, there seems to be such an above and beyond reaction here that everyone seems to need to be decked out in PPE when they go the barbers or hairdressers.

    Theres pictures from Denmark, Germany and even Italy, hairdresser and client in masks, simple.

    I don't know if it's an increased fear here or what it is but we seem to be so much more over the top than the rest of Europe.


  • #4828
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Just looked it up. 391 people have been in ICU with COVID19 in Ireland to date. I can't find the up-to-date number of people who died in ICU but when I saw it last week it was 65. Even if it was 85 today which I'm pretty sure it isn't thats a long way off 50%.

    Found it, died in ICU: 75, under 20%. Not that thats good but wrong numbers need to be called out.

    20% is likely around the normal mortality rate of people going into ICU too, as in this is no spike at all it's the same rate as non-pandemic times.

    No one is saying covid isn't bad or isn't ugly but people really need to stop this scare mongering bs.


  • #4829
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,859 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Well shes got some sort of doll sat on a chair surrounded by perspex and can only reach their hair from the side. Says she wont go infront of someone again.

    Every other country you go into the barbers or hairdresser and everyone is in masks and will be getting on with it, here they suggest you basically in an enclosed box, seems to be a hell of a lot more fear in this country than others in terms of reopening businesses and adjusting.

    She had goggles on as well and they started fogging up, pulling around at the mask etc.

    It’s embarrassing how gutless people are here. They’re cowering in fear. Is it any wonder we are “neutral” - we never put our necks on the line or take a chance on anything.


  • #4830
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,614 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    road_high wrote: »
    No they’re banking on a deadly “second wave”. It’s all the hypochondriacs are fixated on now.
    like this, you mean?
    Colibri wrote: »
    The thing is too, our cases are low as hell. There's guaranteed to be extra cases once we lift up even more, and then CMO et al will sing doomsday because cases have arisen. F-ck sake.


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  • #4831
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,093 ✭✭✭prunudo


    And then you have Kingston Mills on the Tonight show saying lockdown should be eased quicker once they can test all contacts of confirmed cases. At least some commentators are making sensible points.


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