Five years of marriage equality. How has our society survived.

lazygal · 16-05-2020 2:57pm #1

Dire, dire warnings about the gays adopting any passing childers and we'd all be surrogates for them non stop. I think we're alright, given the circumstances.

magicbastarder · 16-05-2020 11:25pm

i dunno, traffic levels got worse (before the pox hit).
i blame the gays marrying.

Pherekydes · 16-05-2020 11:44pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

i dunno, traffic levels got worse (before the pox hit).
i blame the gays marrying.

Huh? Traffic levels down 75%. No Golf on TV. No Gambling (aka horse racing) on TV. Hospitals A&E depts are very quiet, excepting the virus. Nearly everyone is nice to each other. Down to the gays getting married, I'd say.

magicbastarder · 16-05-2020 11:48pm

duh. the gays are taking the year off. haven't you heard?

ArthurG · 16-05-2020 11:50pm

Mother’s Day still seems to be a thing too. Wasn’t Fidelma warning us the gays would remove it?

Bannasidhe · 17-05-2020 11:49am

This gay is running out of excuses for not going to gay weddings.
It was so much easier when I only had to avoid straight weddings but the fecking gays expect creative excuses with backstories and props. :rolleyes:

lazygal · 17-05-2020 1:29pm

Iona could have hoovered up a few votes warning about that.

Username here · 17-05-2020 1:33pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

i blame the gays marrying.

You need to take that up with "the heteros" - they're the ones having all the gay babies :pac::pac::pac:

robindch · 23-05-2020 12:43pm

"Get a Grip"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnPmtj_VfcI

Cabaal · 01-06-2020 7:31pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

This gay is running out of excuses for not going to gay weddings.
It was so much easier when I only had to avoid straight weddings but the fecking gays expect creative excuses with backstories and props. :rolleyes:

Reminds me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igDCnUaAxAQ

Joeseph Balls · 01-06-2020 7:38pm

I was walking down the street the day it was passed, carefully as a straight man, expecting a gay to jump out and force marry me

.
Never happened.
The only difference I've experienced since then was attending two gay weddings.
Nothing changed for me, but for two of my friends, everything changed.
Was so proud of us that day

Odhinn · 01-06-2020 8:12pm

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

I was walking down the street the day it was passed, carefully as a straight man, expecting a gay to jump out and force marry me .
Never happened.
The only difference I've experienced since then was attending two gay weddings.
Nothing changed for me, but for two of my friends, everything changed.
Was so proud of us that day

I feel somewhat letdown meself, as I was sort of looking forward to societys collapse and the ensuing chaos of cannibalistic leather clad biker gangs.
https://tpcfilmreviews.wordpress.com/top-lists/the-road-warrior-and-the-anxieties-of-the-irish-no-voter/

Madeleine Birchfield · 01-06-2020 8:16pm

lazygal wrote: »

Dire, dire warnings about the gays adopting any passing childers and we'd all be surrogates for them non stop. I think we're alright, given the circumstances.

Turns out the gays end up supporting right wing parties like the Conservatives in the UK and the CDU in Germany. Probably because many Muslims are anti-gay and the right-wing parties are anti-Muslim.

Bannasidhe · 02-06-2020 11:22am

Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »

Turns out the gays end up supporting right wing parties like the Conservatives in the UK and the CDU in Germany. Probably because many Muslims are anti-gay and the right-wing parties are anti-Muslim.

'the gays'?

Gosh, I do enjoy being lumped in with a hive mind and told what I and I same-sex loving comrades apparently did...

Especially when I would cut my hand off before voting for a right-wing party, and I have met more anti-gay (oh if only there was a term for that...something like homohater....) Christians than I have met homophobic (.. that's the term..) Muslims. In fact the single most homophobic person I have ever met was Jewish. Go figure.

Turns out that 'the gays' come from all facets of life, all socio-economic backgrounds, all religions (and none), all races, and all political persuasions.

And no - 'the gays' did not turn right-wing because Ireland voted overwhelmingly for Marriage Equality - in point of fact, many many of 'the gays' are very very annoyed with Ireland's ruling conservative party for the continued dragging of heels in terms of enacting the legislation that makes 'straight' marriage and 'gay' marriage actually equal.

robindch · 02-06-2020 1:02pm

Meanwhile in Moscow, Putin is running into a spot of bother. Last month, his approval ratings sank to 59% while the number of people brave enough to answer "No, I don't support him" to an unknown voice on the telephone rose to 33%.

https://www.levada.ru/2020/05/06/odobrenie-institutov-vlasti-i-doverie-politikam/

So Putin has brought forward the "referendum" on changes to the constitution - the two principal amendments allow for Putin to remain in power until around 2036, while the second defines "marriage" as between a man and a woman only. The Kremlin has therefore released some splendidly homophobic videos - you'll get the sense of the video without subs, but the last line's the important one - "You won't see such a Russia in the future - decide the future of your country - vote to pass the amendment to the constitution!"

https://twitter.com/gruppa_voina/status/1267732905813557248

According to the (relatively) independent Levada Polling Institute, the "referendum" on the first of July looks set to pass with 55% for and 25% against.

https://www.levada.ru/2020/06/02/obshherossijskoe-golosovanie-po-popravkam-v-konstitutsiyu-3/

AllForIt · 08-06-2020 1:11pm

^^ Wow, Twitter allows that tweet. Hmm.

Cabaal · 12-06-2020 4:50pm

So while Ireland has moved on in progressive ways in relation to LGBT
Poland is taking many, many steps backwards

Polish president issues campaign pledge to fight 'LGBT ideology'

Andrzej Duda launches ‘family charter’ to appeal to base as race tightens in run-up to election

Among other things, Duda’s new charter pledges no support for gay marriage or adoption by gay couples, with Duda describing the latter as part of “a foreign ideology”. It also seeks to “ban the propagation of LGBT ideology” in schools and public institutions – language reminiscent of a notorious Russian law targeting so-called “gay propaganda”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/12/polish-president-issues-campaign-pledge-to-fight-lgbt-ideology

Hotblack Desiato · 13-06-2020 3:09am

[in response to deleted post]
wtf is your problem. If you don't want to go to a wedding then don't go. Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions and learn acceptance of other poeple.

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2020 11:23am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

wtf is your problem. If you don't want to go to a wedding then don't go. Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions and learn acceptance of other poeple.

The point was to be extremely uncivil about the wedding couple but the wrong forum for that kind of thing was chosen. I assume they failed to detect a certain level of sarcasm in the thread title.

Poster has deleted their (mod edited) post, hopefully a lesson has been learned, and now we can all go back to civilly discussing how him & him/ her & her getting hitched has nearly caused our society to topple.

For a start theres flegs - everywhere - and bunting.
Dunno about others but I am soooooo over the rainbow :cool:.

Das Reich · 13-06-2020 11:32am

Cabaal wrote: »

So while Ireland has moved on in progressive ways in relation to LGBT
Poland is taking many, many steps backwards

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/12/polish-president-issues-campaign-pledge-to-fight-lgbt-ideology

Too much americanism (different from progressism) and society will implode like Rome did. Recent things happening in USA also shows their empire is nearly ended.

Green Peter · 13-06-2020 11:42am

Why the bitterness, same sex marriage was voted in, life continued and society embraced it. Why are people always looking back and wanting to fight old battles and criticise. Move on. This is a non thread.

Bannasidhe · 13-06-2020 12:05pm

Green Peter wrote: »

Why the bitterness, same sex marriage was voted in, life continued and society embraced it. Why are people always looking back and wanting to fight old battles and criticise. Move on. This is a non thread.

I'm not the OP, but the OP was a strong advocate of Marriage Equality at the time of the referendum so I think I am safe in saying is the point of the thread was light hearted joking about how same-sex marriage did not bring society crashing down.

Although it would appear some are still waiting for that to happen...

Odhinn · 13-06-2020 1:38pm

Das Reich wrote: »

Too much americanism (different from progressism) and society will implode like Rome did. Recent things happening in USA also shows their empire is nearly ended.

You might be as good as to expand on that.............?

Hotblack Desiato · 13-06-2020 2:58pm

Odhinn wrote: »

You might be as good as to expand on that.............?

You're wasting your time - the username suits them perfectly.

Green Peter · 13-06-2020 5:24pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I'm not the OP, but the OP was a strong advocate of Marriage Equality at the time of the referendum so I think I am safe in saying is the point of the thread was light hearted joking about how same-sex marriage did not bring society crashing down.

Although it would appear some are still waiting for that to happen...

Only the paranoid ones!

completedit · 13-06-2020 5:26pm

Why do people equate atheism with acceptance of gay people? It's 2020, not 1920. I know people who voted for gay marriage but I'd still call them homophobic, insofar as they sneer at gay people, make derogatory claims about them. But they "accept them" outwardly. Suppose they just didn't feel that their prejudices should dictate what other people do. So maybe when push came to shove they are not truly homophobic but I dunno.

Green Peter · 13-06-2020 5:30pm

completedit wrote: »

Why do people equate atheism with acceptance of gay people? It's 2020, not 1920. I know people who voted for gay marriage but I'd still call them homophobic, insofar as they sneer at gay people, make derogatory claims about them. But they "accept them" outwardly.

I would guess that in the secrecy of the ballot booth
they actually didn't vote for gay marriage if that's how they behave.

smacl · 13-06-2020 5:58pm

Das Reich wrote: »

Too much americanism (different from progressism) and society will implode like Rome did. Recent things happening in USA also shows their empire is nearly ended.

Not exactly recent. I remember reading Gore Vidal's Decline and fall of the American Empire nearly twenty years ago and it was far from a new topic even then. To be fair, the current 'emperor' certainly seems to be hastening its demise. My feeling is that the further the far right moves from the center the more isolated it will become.

Hotblack Desiato · 14-06-2020 3:24am

completedit wrote: »

Why do people equate atheism with acceptance of gay people?

Because homophobia is strongly correlated with religon.

It's 2020, not 1920. I know people who voted for gay marriage but I'd still call them homophobic, insofar as they sneer at gay people, make derogatory claims about them. But they "accept them" outwardly. Suppose they just didn't feel that their prejudices should dictate what other people do. So maybe when push came to shove they are not truly homophobic but I dunno.

You know some very odd, and probalby fictional, people.

Das Reich · 14-06-2020 8:01am

smacl wrote: »

Not exactly recent. I remember reading Gore Vidal's Decline and fall of the American Empire nearly twenty years ago and it was far from a new topic even then. To be fair, the current 'emperor' certainly seems to be hastening its demise. My feeling is that the further the far right moves from the center the more isolated it will become.

Go back 30 years so instead of 20. It was the consolidation of USA as the only power after the fall os USSR and Berlin Wall. Who would imagine in 1990 that USA would be like this in such short period? Fair play to Poland if they not want to follow the rest of western world.

Bannasidhe · 14-06-2020 1:03pm

Das Reich wrote: »

Go back 30 years so instead of 20. It was the consolidation of USA as the only power after the fall os USSR and Berlin Wall. Who would imagine in 1990 that USA would be like this in such short period? Fair play to Poland if they not want to follow the rest of western world.

Only power apart from the Chinese. And watch this space because India is tooling along and gathering speed. And of course there was/is that little project called the EU.

Given the US failed completely to sort out it's civil rights issues 20/30/40/50 years ago it is utterly predictable the birds of disorder would come home to roost. And if they don't fix it now it will happen again, and again, and again.
Add to that an electoral system that is clumsy, open to outside interference, outdated, and does not value the vote of everyone on the electorate equally the US is in a perfect storm of it's own creation. The US is in difficulty because it talked the talk about equality but didn't walk the walk.

Sure - Poland following polices similar to those in Russia always worked out so well for them in the past. How short their memories are.

Odhinn · 14-06-2020 6:52pm

Das Reich wrote: »

Go back 30 years so instead of 20. It was the consolidation of USA as the only power after the fall os USSR and Berlin Wall. Who would imagine in 1990 that USA would be like this in such short period? Fair play to Poland if they not want to follow the rest of western world.

The US would be like what?

And what about poland?

Pherekydes · 15-06-2020 2:00am

Das Reich wrote: »

Fair play to Poland if they not want to follow the rest of western world.

Poland sucking up to Putin. Sucking up to your bully neighbour always goes well.

Hotblack Desiato · 15-06-2020 4:59am

Das Reich wrote: »

Who would imagine in 1990 that USA would be like this in such short period?

I know, we thought Dan Quayle was an idiot - and he was - but at least he was only vice president.
Then they voted (well, kind of) for Dubya twice, and of course descended yet another level with the orange you know who

Why do they vote for such idiots?

By the way, neither Quayle, Dubya nor Trump are known for their affection for gay people.

Hotblack Desiato · 15-06-2020 5:02am

Pherekydes wrote: »

Poland sucking up to Putin. Sucking up to your bully neighbour always goes well.

I honestly think that Poland is only voting this way because all of the young people with a brain in their head have left.

Similar to how FF won so many elections here...

bop1977 · 15-06-2020 5:54am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

I know, we thought Dan Quayle was an idiot - and he was - but at least he was only vice president.
Then they voted (well, kind of) for Dubya twice, and of course descended yet another level with the orange you know who

Why do they vote for such idiots?
.

We voted for Bertie so it’s not only the yanks voting for idiots.

Hotblack Desiato · 15-06-2020 8:09am

bop1977 wrote: »

We voted for Bertie so it’s not only the yanks voting for idiots.

You're confusing idiot with crooked.

Bertie was nobody's fool - although he'd happily play the fool when he thought there was a few votes in it. CJH (and he should know) called him the most devious, the most cunning of all.

But many of us were happy to vote for a man we knew to be crooked, just as long as we thought we could get a slice of the action.

Bannasidhe · 15-06-2020 11:02am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

You're confusing idiot with crooked.

Bertie was nobody's fool - although he'd happily play the fool when he thought there was a few votes in it. CJH (and he should know) called him the most devious, the most cunning of all.

But many of us were happy to vote for a man we knew to be crooked, just as long as we thought we could get a slice of the action.

To keep the ol academic muscles in shape I sometimes let the mind go awandering and one place it has wandered to is the importance of 'The Cute Hoor' in Gaelic Irish culture.

Because chieftains were elected, and every male descendent - to the 4th generation- of a previous chieftain was eligible, it essentially became a Cute Hoor contest.

The main role of a Gaelic chieftain was to try and increase the status of his particular clan in relation to other clans. This would be done through a combination of sneaky asset stripping, bully boy tactics when called for, and shady deals.
Allies were vital to this - allies were acquired through marriage, 'gift' giving (even better if the gifts were assets you had sneaky stripped from a rival clan),and by being the biggest swinging Micky for miles around.
It was also very very important that any attack on the clan - or member of the clan - was swiftly dealt with by either a smackdown - or sneaky asset stripping.

Now replace 'clan' with 'party', chieftain with 'party leader', and 'allies' with 'coalition partners' and it seem to me it's Irish politics in a nutshell.

It kinda made sense when each clan was autonomous or (semi- autonomous) and their main rivals were the clans next few fields over but when we are 'all in this together' it's a bloody disaster.

blackwave · 15-06-2020 1:06pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

I honestly think that Poland is only voting this way because all of the young people with a brain in their head have left.

Similar to how FF won so many elections here...

Not really most young people in Poland are against PIS, Poland is still quite a conservative country particularly in the older population and there is a bit of gerrymandering for young people as well to vote so that helps the ruling party.

They are not sucking up to Putin either, there has been quite a lot of coverage here of Russia trying to whitewash their involvement in the split of Poland in ww 2. Also the government are trying to get the soldiers that Trump is pulling out of Germany to be based in Poland going forward which is something Putin definitely doesn't want.

Bannasidhe · 15-06-2020 1:48pm

blackwave wrote: »

Not really most young people in Poland are against PIS, Poland is still quite a conservative country particularly in the older population and there is a bit of gerrymandering for young people as well to vote so that helps the ruling party.

They are not sucking up to Putin either, there has been quite a lot of coverage here of Russia trying to whitewash their involvement in the split of Poland in ww 2. Also the government are trying to get the soldiers that Trump is pulling out of Germany to be based in Poland going forward which is something Putin definitely doesn't want.

Following Putin's line on LGBTQ+ (lack of) rights does look a bit sucky uppy to be honest.

robindch · 15-06-2020 5:41pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Following Putin's line on LGBTQ+ (lack of) rights does look a bit sucky uppy to be honest.

Poland's politicians are treading a familiar line in populism - anti-immigrant, anti-LGBTQ+, anti-EU, "Law and Order", centralizing authority, eroding rule of law etc nonsense. Nothing to do with Putin whom all the Eastern European states - save Bulgaria and Austria - view with considerable misgiving.

cgcsb · 15-06-2020 5:46pm

robindch wrote: »

Meanwhile in Moscow, Putin is running into a spot of bother. Last month, his approval ratings sank to 59% while the number of people brave enough to answer "No, I don't support him" to an unknown voice on the telephone rose to 33%.

https://www.levada.ru/2020/05/06/odobrenie-institutov-vlasti-i-doverie-politikam/

So Putin has brought forward the "referendum" on changes to the constitution - the two principal amendments allow for Putin to remain in power until around 2036, while the second defines "marriage" as between a man and a woman only. The Kremlin has therefore released some splendidly homophobic videos - you'll get the sense of the video without subs, but the last line's the important one - "You won't see such a Russia in the future - decide the future of your country - vote to pass the amendment to the constitution!"

https://twitter.com/gruppa_voina/status/1267732905813557248

According to the (relatively) independent Levada Polling Institute, the "referendum" on the first of July looks set to pass with 55% for and 25% against.

https://www.levada.ru/2020/06/02/obshherossijskoe-golosovanie-po-popravkam-v-konstitutsiyu-3/

Was the aulwan annoyed because red is obviously not the child's colour? I was spittin too in fairness :pac::pac:

cgcsb · 15-06-2020 5:55pm

In Ireland we voted against the introduction of divorce as recently as 1986. Hard to imagine now, how would somebody opposed to legal divorce even be taken seriously. I'd chalk it up the smartest Irish people of the day being in New York and London, and the last lot who didn't have free post-primary education were still breathing.

blackwave · 15-06-2020 6:22pm

robindch wrote: »

Poland's politicians are treading a familiar line in populism - anti-immigrant, anti-LGBTQ+, anti-EU, "Law and Order", centralizing authority, eroding rule of law etc nonsense. Nothing to do with Putin whom all the Eastern European states - save Bulgaria and Austria - view with considerable misgiving.

Yeah, that's a big thing. The polish ruling party is quite populist, they are on the right on social issues and on the left for economic just an example of that is if you are under 26 you pay little tax which was done to try get the young votes.

They also rushed the reducing of restrictions for covid as they were trying to sneak in the presidential election.

Hotblack Desiato · 15-06-2020 11:51pm

blackwave wrote: »

Not really most young people in Poland are against PIS

Yeah and what I said was there'd be a lot more anti-PIS voters around if so many younger people hadn't emigrated.

cgcsb wrote: »

In Ireland we voted against the introduction of divorce as recently as 1986. Hard to imagine now, how would somebody opposed to legal divorce even be taken seriously.

Even in 1995 it only squeaked in on the tiniest of margins, it is alleged that bad weather in the West swung it! Only 3 years before that, we were prosecuting people for selling condoms - when there was still no effective treatment for AIDS!

It's hard to believe how fcuked-up this country was, and it's really not all that long ago.

cgcsb · 15-06-2020 11:55pm

That's the scary thing. These people are still walking among us and are silent but in their heads are thinking these terribly anti human thoughts.

Hotblack Desiato · 19-06-2020 12:32pm

It's funny how an issue which is so divisive at the time can appear such a non-issue a few years down the line. We didn't get "Hello divorce, goodbye Daddy" much, and we're not getting people marrying horses or their cat either

Do No voters ever reflect on their position? Accept that maybe they were wrong and their fears were unfounded? Admit that they were played for fools by shadowy far-right forces - unlikely!

About a third of the electorate would vote No to literally anything, just because. "Stick it to de gubbermint" :rolleyes:

Bannasidhe · 19-06-2020 12:39pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

It's funny how an issue which is so divisive at the time can appear such a non-issue a few years down the line. We didn't get "Hello divorce, goodbye Daddy" much, and we're not getting people marrying horses or their cat either

Do No voters ever reflect on their position? Accept that maybe they were wrong and their fears were unfounded? Admit that they were played for fools by shadowy far-right forces - unlikely!

About a third of the electorate would vote No to literally anything, just because. "Stick it to de gubbermint" :rolleyes:

If the example recently given here but since deleted is any indication No voters will go to wedding receptions hosted by a same-sex couple, enjoy their hospitality, and be extremely rude about their hosts on an anonymous message board afterwards.

cgcsb · 19-06-2020 12:40pm

I don't think the majority of no voters would now tell you they voted, and maybe half of them feel a bit silly now.

lazygal · 19-06-2020 4:16pm

I know a few people, parents of friends of mine, who were no voters for marriage equality. And then voted yes for repeal because they'd had a few years to examine some of their long held beliefs, and chat with their adult children and then felt they had made a mistake in 2015 that they didn't want to repeat in 2018 and were then firm yes voters and vocally so. So I wouldn't write off all nos as nos forever.

Odhinn · 31-07-2020 5:35pm

lazygal wrote: »

Dire, dire warnings about the gays adopting any passing childers and we'd all be surrogates for them non stop. I think we're alright, given the circumstances.

Are we though.................

Five years of marriage equality. How has our society survived.

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