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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #3722
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Of course, so they can't account for those numbers except by using a universally approved added estimate, which is ?

    We don't need estimates, we have serology studies. Middle column.

    https://twitter.com/RF_HFC/status/1252210492531183622

    Bear in mind this is 'attended the hospital'.

    Not 'would have died if didn't attend hospital'.

    Repeating any statistic where the denominator is confirmed cases is fearmongering.


  • #3723
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Nermal wrote: »
    We don't need estimates, we have serology studies. Middle column.

    https://twitter.com/RF_HFC/status/1252210492531183622

    Bear in mind this is 'attended the hospital'.

    Not 'would have died if didn't attend hospital'.

    Repeating any statistic where the denominator is confirmed cases is fearmongering.

    That poster, like Tony Holohan is still approaching this as if the fatality rate was still 6%, as initially thought at the time of implementing the restrictions in Ireland.


  • #3724
    JPCN1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    I'm under no illusion that there is going to be quite some amount of arse covering in the decision making process.

    And probably also some kicking the can syndrome which I see in corporate decision making processes too these days. As in avoid a decision until it can no longer be avoided and then make it unanimous so in case we got it wrong its no one's fault (it was the consensus at the time, what else could we do?).

    But do really think they gamble the fate of the country on popularity percentages and party squabbles? I for one will give them the benefit of the doubt and rule that out for now.

    I think all politicians count votes. Always have always will and I think Leo is worse than most. Will the talks with the Greens work and even if they do a coalition between FF, FG and the Greens will be a shaky as a drunk on an ice rink.

    Simon Coveney had the support of two thirds of the party members and Leo had most of the TD's who presumably he'd done deals with. With the second or third best performing economy in Europe he managed to lose a third of his parties seats. He refused to make a decision on Bailey and let the members do that for him...Suddenly the members need to be listened to...

    We'll come out of this only because the numbers in other countries will dictate that we do imo.


  • #3725
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    We don't listen to media, scientists, experts, precedent....we have our feelings sums up some posters in this thread.

    Very aligned to these people...very aligned

    https://twitter.com/KevinVesey/status/1261001977598808065

    It's uncanny :eek:


  • #3726
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    They do and they explain them for all to hear , on every daily briefing , repeatedly, again and again , over and over, like a boards.ie poster, lol.

    Okay well I had been listening carefully, I thought.

    The only target I heard from our CMO was ‘as low as possible’.

    I will admit to be banging my drum a little bit, but would genuinely appreciate if you can tell me what the criteria are for moving to phase 2?


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  • #3727
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    We don't listen to media, scientists, experts, precedent....we have our feelings sums up some posters in this thread.

    Very aligned to these people...very aligned

    https://twitter.com/KevinVesey/status/1261001977598808065

    It's uncanny :eek:

    Seen a placard in that video

    "Coronavirus is not going away, but small businesses are"

    There was more common sense on that placard than some of the posts here.


  • #3728
    Colibri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Colibri


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    We don't listen to media, scientists, experts, precedent....we have our feelings sums up some posters in this thread.

    Very aligned to these people...very aligned

    https://twitter.com/KevinVesey/status/1261001977598808065

    It's uncanny :eek:



    That's a cheap shot.


  • #3729
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    We don't listen to media, scientists, experts, precedent....we have our feelings sums up some posters in this thread.

    Very aligned to these people...very aligned

    https://twitter.com/KevinVesey/status/1261001977598808065

    It's uncanny :eek:

    You dont see the bigger picture. The very fact so many people protest and ignore coronaflu, defeats the purpose of any lockdown.

    Arizona have sacked their whole "covid medical response team". More than 30 US states are already opened.

    Unless Ireland will cocoon itself until a vaccine is found and close its borders, what we are doing till 10th of Aug is pointless.


  • #3730
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    Okay well I had been listening carefully, I thought.

    The only target I heard from our CMO was ‘as low as possible’.

    I will admit to be banging my drum a little bit, but would genuinely appreciate if you can tell me what the criteria are for moving to phase 2?

    You're correct the other poster is being disingenuous

    Their key metrics appear to be new cases, cases in hospital, and cases in ICU along with testing capacity, those are what they consistently refer to

    Tony Holohan refuses point blank to even give a range of figures, e.g. we cannot move to phase two if we se a 10 day trend in downward numbers of cases, hospital cases, and ICU numbers, and 99% of all tests in that time completed and contact tracing for positive done within 3 days

    That detail is what he has several times refused to give


  • #3731
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Colibri wrote: »
    That's a cheap shot.

    Its part of the anti American tripe seen so much lately

    People have short memories in Ireland. America has been a refuge for those who left Ireland in the past


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  • #3732
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,853 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Nermal wrote: »
    We don't need estimates, we have serology studies. Middle column.

    https://twitter.com/RF_HFC/status/1252210492531183622

    Bear in mind this is 'attended the hospital'.

    Not 'would have died if didn't attend hospital'.

    Repeating any statistic where the denominator is confirmed cases is fearmongering.

    You are confusing me with someone else . I didn't give any statistics as there aren't any gor estimated cases, only rough guides.
    What does this post mean ?
    It's all Dutch to me


  • #3733
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    We don't listen to media, scientists, experts, precedent....we have our feelings sums up some posters in this thread.

    Very aligned to these people...very aligned

    https://twitter.com/KevinVesey/status/1261001977598808065

    It's uncanny :eek:


    You'll get people supporting these fools on this thread I guarantee it. I'm convinced that Gemma yoke posts here also.


  • #3734
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    You are confusing me with someone else . I didn't give any statistics as there aren't any gor estimated cases, only rough guides.
    What does this post mean ?
    It's all Dutch to me

    I think thats what Tony H says too when he sees data from other countries.


  • #3735
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    You dont see the bigger picture. The very fact so many people protest and ignore coronaflu, defeats the purpose of any lockdown.

    Arizona have sacked their whole "covid medical response team". More than 30 US states are already opened.

    Unless Ireland will cocoon itself until a vaccine is found and close its borders, what we are doing till 10th of Aug is pointless.

    Republican states will pay the price for stupidity. All states where infection rates are rising are now republican. That's not a coincidence. It's cause and effect.

    If you remove all reference to Trump from that video - that's you guys...

    Not the best company to keep! Same arguments, same demeanor, same delusion, same denial, same selfishness and actually paranoia. That you are somehow being punished or wronged. That you're the victim and not older people or the vulnerable.

    It's not a good place to be really.


  • #3736
    uli84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭uli84


    angela1711 wrote: »
    How the hell am I suppose to go back to work on Monday if all childcare facilities are shut and you are not allowed to hire a babysitter either ? It looks like one of my co-workers with school-aged kids won’t be able to go back to work until September ?! What are people with children suppose to do ?

    They are so out of touch with reality that they have never thought about it.


  • #3737
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Republican states will pay the price for stupidity. All states where infection rates are rising are now republican. That's not a coincidence. It's cause and effect.

    If you remove all reference to Trump from that video - that's you guys...

    Not the best company to keep! Same arguments, same demeanor, same delusion, same denial, same selfishness and actually paranoia. That you are somehow being punished or wronged.

    It's not a good place to be really.

    Having 820 eur monthly income is not a good place to be.


  • #3738
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,337 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    The models :D Friday night comedy was yesterday. Not a single model proved to be even 20% accurate.

    The models didn't account for our lockdown. The models were what would happen if we didn't lock down.

    I'll say it again: THE MODELS PREDICTED WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DIDN'T LOCK DOWN.

    I'm not sure why you aren't getting this.


  • #3739
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,853 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    That poster, like Tony Holohan is still approaching this as if the fatality rate was still 6%, as initially thought at the time of implementing the restrictions in Ireland.

    Who are you talking about there , "pal"?
    I have a lot more real experience of this than you , sitting behind your keyboard.


  • #3740
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0516/1138803-government-establishes-return-to-sport-expert-group/

    A return to Sport Expert Group is being set up . All very fine but where is the Return to Work Group or Return to School Expert Group
    Priorities please Mr Varadkar


  • #3741
    Colibri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Colibri


    Getting heated in here. Off to watch something on Netflix! Have a good night folks.


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  • #3742
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    fryup wrote: »
    my gut feeling about all this - is that a month to six weeks down the line we'll be back to square one again and back indoors, lockdown part deux
    SNNUS wrote: »
    Gut feeling or hoping for another lock down? The allure of lock down for some must be masking some issues...

    as i said in the post - gut feeling

    i'm not hoping for anything of the sort :rolleyes:


  • #3743
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,853 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    Okay well I had been listening carefully, I thought.

    The only target I heard from our CMO was ‘as low as possible’.

    I will admit to be banging my drum a little bit, but would genuinely appreciate if you can tell me what the criteria are for moving to phase 2?

    Why don't you listen to the briefings or read the papers ? Much more reliable than boards ..and make your own mind up.


  • #3744
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    MadYaker wrote: »
    The models didn't account for our lockdown. The models were what would happen if we didn't lock down.

    I'll say it again: THE MODELS PREDICTED WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DIDN'T LOCK DOWN.

    I'm not sure why you aren't getting this.

    There's no evidence for that. There's nothing to say simple physical distancing wouldn't have worked as well.


  • #3745
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Why don't you listen to the briefings or read the papers ? Much more reliable than boards ..and make your own mind up.

    Outside of the vague number of new cases/hospitalisations/amount in ICU that gets trotted out at the briefings there are no firm kpis indicating what criteria are used to determine moving through the phases

    The only one that seems to be there is the R0

    You dont seem to understand this. It's frustrating for people to not have a clearer I'd of what the criteria are


  • #3746
    tombrown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭tombrown


    Can anyone advise me on a question - we have a house in Donegal that we let out for the holiday market; obviously it has been empty since March, but I think it is Ok to start letting again from Phase 4 (20th July). As it happens we have a booking for 18th July - but it may get cancelled as it is for someone from England; but then we have bookings from the following week through until mid September.

    I live in Clare, but I want to go up there the weekend of 11th July to open the house up, get it ready & tidy the garden; its seems reasonable to me to travel ahead of 20th July to prepare a business for reopening. Is there any government helpline or similar I can get in touch with to ask such a question?


  • #3747
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Having 820 eur monthly income is not a good place to be.

    I have no doubt at all that the majority of people on COVID payments will be back in work being paid by the end of the summer.

    In response you'll deny that and claim the world is falling down around our ears.

    Simply not true.


  • #3748
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    MadYaker wrote: »
    The models didn't account for our lockdown. The models were what would happen if we didn't lock down.

    I'll say it again: THE MODELS PREDICTED WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DIDN'T LOCK DOWN.

    I'm not sure why you aren't getting this.

    Im not getting as models predicted 100,000 dead Swedish people off covid.

    Please enlighten us, what error % was "the models" there?

    And what did Sweden do to make your models prediction so way, waaaaaayyyy OFF?

    PS answer is not a lockdown.


  • #3749
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,853 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    I think thats what Tony H says too when he sees data from other countries.

    Well it is in Dutch, so how can you make sense of that ?


  • #3750
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,337 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    They contracted their GDP by 5-20% and created 15-30% unemployment.

    Also, a lot of people over 70 year old died and keep dying even as lockdowns are lifted, unfortunately.

    Can you help me out on benefits? Preferably with some actual numbers.

    Compare the numbers that the models predicted to what we actually had here in Ireland and the difference is the effect of the lockdown. Varadker said the modelling predicted 15,000 cases by the end of march. So we implemented lockdown in mid march and slowed the virus right down so as not to overwhelm the health service as happened in Italy and Spain and New York to a lesser extent. Its really not that complicated.

    I agree that we should move out of lockdown quicker. But to say that the lockdown is pointless and had no effect is utterly moronic.


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  • #3751
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Republican states will pay the price for stupidity. All states where infection rates are rising are now republican. That's not a coincidence. It's cause and effect.

    If you remove all reference to Trump from that video - that's you guys...

    Not the best company to keep! Same arguments, same demeanor, same delusion, same denial, same selfishness and actually paranoia. That you are somehow being punished or wronged. That you're the victim and not older people or the vulnerable.

    It's not a good place to be really.

    Nope. Some red states were as strict as Cuomo and Gretchen. Some blue states less so. It isn't strictly partisan, though that would be the party politics of a foreign country.

    I'm not angry or paranoid, I just have my point of view which you obviously dislike. Plenty of experts with different opinions have been quoted and linked to on the all III Relaxation of restrictions threads.


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