Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

bill murray wrote: »

You are the desperate one my friend, you haven't shut up about this lock down in god knows how long

Which one are you again,A. the new world order loony

Or B. the person that voted for change but didn't get it

Let me guess A??

Desperately. Trying. To. Stay. Relevant.

You need to create " mass graves" posts elsewhere if you are seeking attention so badly.

fryup wrote: »

my gut feeling about all this - is that a month to six weeks down the line we'll be back to square one again and back indoors, lockdown part deux

Why? In six weeks we will have entered only the beginning of the second stage of this very prolonged "unlocking" by which time the rate of transmission of the virus ought to be at zero. The predicted second wave is likely to occur at a much later stage.

Colibri wrote: »

This is the lockdown thread dude

Cant stop laughing. Poor William thought hes in homeware thread, lashing out at anyone who says lockdown.

SNNUS wrote: »

Gut feeling or hoping for another lock down? The allure of lock down for some must be masking some issues...

'ThEyRe JeAlOuS oF oUr FrEeDoMs!!111"

MadYaker wrote: »

Still waiting on a figure for how many people the lockdown has killed.

How many would be still here today if Covid didn't exist?

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m fairly sure you already nobody can provide such a figure.

Many will die as a result of cancer treatments and screenings being cancelled. Others may die to other treatments getting cancelled.

But most will die due to the recession. Suicides, death from stress related illnesses, death from addiction, death from homelessness.

All of those things majority increase in a recession. And our recession gets worse every day we stay in lockdown.

The number will be much greater than Covid. But it won’t be highly reported on in the mainstream media so no one will feel responsible.

This is all completely unsubstantiated - economic recession is for some known and other unknown reasons associated with decreased mortality trends.
https://www.genre.com/knowledge/blog/does-an-economic-downturn-lead-to-an-increasing-mortality-rate-en.html

However, data charting the percentage change in per capita GDP and life expectancy in the U.S. for the years 1910 to 2012 reveals a clear trend of increasing life expectancy by negative change in GDP. Counter-intuitively it seems mortality may actually fall during economic downturns.

A correlation definitely exists between macro-economic activity and total mortality for all causes.3 Data from 23 OECD countries highlights this effect. Mortality decreases by 0.4% for each 1% increase in unemployment, mainly driven by a reduction in vehicle accident deaths offset by an increase in deaths by suicide and homicide.4 Similar patterns are seen in U.S. data where mortality due to heart disease, liver disease, influenza and pneumonia all decrease during economic downturns.5

A clear correlation exists between economic downturn and decreased mortality – even if this seems counterintuitive. While it is easy to explain a decrease in accidental deaths, the influence of economics on natural deaths is more of a mystery.

So if there is recession, it is likely even less people will die than normal. One less thing for you to scare monger about

Meanwhile COVID remains the leading cause of death in Europe despite a two month lockdown, thats the actual reality, not some made up theory of everyone dying from drug addiction and homelessness and mass suicide in this hellish post lockdown social landscape you have manufactured in your mind. Jesus get a grip, COVID has and will remain far more dangerous than a lockdown, no matter how much you hate lockdowns. I am not disputing the awful economic situation we face due to this very unnnecessarily harsh lockdown but the silly accusations of it killing more people than COVID are pathetic.

SusieBlue wrote: »

Yeah I never said that either, or even indirectly implied it, so you’re making yourself look quite stupid now.
Still waiting for evidence that the majority of the Irish workforce suffer from that long list of life threatening ailments.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/time-think-differently/trends-disease-and-disability-long-term-conditions-multi-morbidity
Pretty much the same in Ireland too. Same diet, lifestyle etc. Many. many people from the age of 50 are on some form of medication for conditions described in link. These conditions are treatable and not life threatening. Have a look at the age groups of the people in ICU with Covid. You will find a large majority are in the 50-65 age group.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Don't worry, we'll be finding that out for years to come due to mass unemployment, poverty and wrecked economies.

Jaysus in the trump thread you’re saying everything will be grand. Which is it?

Can you put a number on how many deaths that will lead to? We have to base our actions on facts and statistics not feelings unfortunately.

bettyoleary wrote: »

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/time-think-differently/trends-disease-and-disability-long-term-conditions-multi-morbidity
Pretty much the same in Ireland too. Same diet, lifestyle etc. Many. many people from the age of 50 are on some form of medication for conditions described in link. These conditions are treatable and not life threatening. Have a look at the age groups of the people in ICU with Covid. You will find a large majority are in the 50-65 age group.

But the ‘majority of the Irish workforce’ isn’t aged 50-65 years old, so that’s completely irrelevant.

He said the majority of the workforce suffer from conditions such as cystic fibrosis, kidney failure, cancer, diabetes and a few other seriously debilitating illnesses.
That’s simply not true.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No restrict the vulnerable.
Everyone else as normal as Sweden done

Their nursing homes have been routed just like ours. Half their deaths were in nursing homes.

MadYaker wrote: »

Their nursing homes have been routed just like ours. Half their deaths were in nursing homes.

Thats proving restrictions make little difference

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No restrict the vulnerable.
Everyone else as normal as Sweden done

Sweden themselves are admitting they aren't doing very well right now but they are pinning their hopes on their second wave not being quiet as bad as other countries. They're willing to sacrifice vulnerable people. Should we be as cold here too? I meant that's what it comes down to isn't it really? And our ICU capacity is nothing like what they have so we'd have struggled badly.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

We put healthy people into quarantine. And now majority dont want to listen to reason, because reason says this has been a big disaster from 12th of March onwards. Every day passing by of this absolute nonsense. No justification.

Are people more safe in a hardware shop than homeware? Shambles.

It's not that they are more safe. They are lifting restrictions based on what is more necessary. All along food shops were necessary so they stayed open. So as time goes on the things that are more necessary will open up bit by bit while monitoring the numbers in case the hospitals look like they won't cope.

deisedevil wrote: »

It's not that they are more safe. They are lifting restrictions based on what is more necessary. All along food shops were necessary so they stayed open. So as time goes on the things that are more necessary will open up bit by bit while monitoring the numbers in case the hospitals look like they won't cope.

Most shops & services besides supermarkets weren’t deemed necessary on the 15th of March, when businesses started closing.
It made sense to close them because we didn’t see them as essential. But it’s now 9 weeks later and we need them now.

By August 10th, 21 weeks will have passed.
That’s 21 weeks, or over 5 months, that some people are going to be out of work and that we as a society are without a service that we previously relied upon.