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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #3212
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    thecretinhop wrote: »
    de only thing dat has grown faster thsn the virus spread is the whining in here quite remarkable

    Yeah sick of it Anto.


  • #3213
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    That would entail staying in lockdown forever and obliterating what little is left of our economy.
    Are you ok with being stuck in your house for the rest of your life?
    Does that seem like a proportionate response to you?

    No. But I'd rather a softly, softly approach if it means we're less likely to have that spike in the future.


  • #3214
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    thecretinhop wrote: »
    de only thing dat has grown faster thsn the virus spread is the whining in here quite remarkable

    Are you whining about our whining? “De” only thing that never ceases to amaze me is people like yourself who involve yourself in threads that you have little interest in, only to belittle those who do. You know where the door is.


  • #3215
    nj27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Why wouldnt Harvey norman be able to open ? They've extremely large electrical sections which would be covered under IT, while the likes of power city etc would all be allowed to open as far as I know.

    According to their facebook they're going ahead with the re-opening of the IT side of their stores.


  • #3216
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    No. But I'd rather a softly, softly approach if it means we're less likely to have that spike in the future.

    Whenever we open up there will be a spike. I’m amazed at those who don’t realise this and somehow these weeks of restrictions are going to kill the virus off. This isn’t a war where we kill off the enemy. We can’t kill it unless we have a vaccine. As long as there’s a host to live in the virus will remain.


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  • #3217
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    retro:electro wrote: »
    Are you whining about our whining? “De” only thing that never ceases to amaze me is people like yourself who involve yourself in threads that you have little interest in, only to belittle those who do. You know where the door is.

    Oh get down off your preachy perch FGS. We are all mostly going totally mad :P


  • #3218
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    +1 to all of this.

    We can’t be so afraid of dying that we forget how to live, even if living includes social distancing!

    This stuff is embarrassing. You have been on house arrest for 9 weeks to control the spread of a pandemic. You are not Mandela fighting for freedom from decades of oppression.


  • #3219
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    No. But I'd rather a softly, softly approach if it means we're less likely to have that spike in the future.

    We’re going to see a spike whether we ease restrictions out over the course of 4 months, or whether we take a similar approach to other countries, who were ironically hit much harder than we were by the virus.
    If more movement = more cases, then we’re going to have see an increase in cases whether we ease restrictions on Monday or whether we wait till 2021.

    Meanwhile the economy is down the toilet, 300k people are expected to be long term unemployed, the leaving cert is cancelled & children are missing out on their education, families are missing each other and our hospitals are running at reduced capacity with many necessary healthcare services suspended indefinitely.

    This is unsustainable, people are suffering and in the long run this will end up costing more lives and stealing as many futures as coronavirus.


  • #3220
    bill murray
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭bill murray


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    +1 to all of this.

    We can’t be so afraid of dying that we forget how to live, even if living includes social distancing!

    It's all a big hoax your probably going to tell us next.....


  • #3221
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    This stuff is embarrassing. You have been on house arrest for 9 weeks to control the spread of a pandemic. You are not Mandela fighting for freedom from decades of oppression.

    Well in fairness a long walk to freedom when you can’t go outside of 5k :pac:


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  • #3222
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    retro:electro wrote: »
    Well in fairness a long walk to freedom when you can’t go outside of 5k :pac:

    Freedom is in the mind :P


  • #3223
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    retro:electro wrote: »
    Well in fairness a long walk to freedom when you can’t go outside of 5k :pac:

    Mandela couldn’t go 50m:p


  • #3224
    bill murray
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭bill murray


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    We’re going to see a spike whether we ease restrictions out over the course of 4 months, or whether we take a similar approach to other countries, who were ironically hit much harder than we were by the virus.
    If more movement = more cases, then we’re going to have see an increase in cases whether we ease restrictions on Monday or whether we wait till 2021.

    Meanwhile the economy is down the toilet, 300k people are expected to be long term unemployed, the leaving cert is cancelled & children are missing out on their education, families are missing each other and our hospitals are running at reduced capacity with many necessary healthcare services suspended indefinitely.

    This is unsustainable, people are suffering and in the long run this will end up costing more lives and stealing as many futures as coronavirus.

    So what is your alternative, bare in mind italy had to use the army to dispose bodies there death toll was so high and the USA at the moment have mass graves dug for the dead over there.

    And your solution is carry on as normal....


  • #3225
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    bill murray wrote: »
    So what is your alternative, bare in mind italy had to use the army to dispose bodies there death toll was so high and the USA at the moment have mass graves dug for the dead over there.

    And your solution is carry on as normal....

    Please quote where I said that, or take back your frankly ridiculous unfounded assumption.


  • #3226
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Review of today’s announcement:
    1. Leo Varadkar - we are all in this together. Don’t be happy about this. We could still go backwards. And forget your homewares. That would be too nice of us.
    2. Heather Humphrey’s - who cares if homewares don’t open: order from an Irish business online. It’s not like they’re overwhelmed with orders already & trying to work with new restrictions so many of them have to close their online shops frequently to process orders. Do without those curtains, blinds, or bedsheets. Sleep outside on the grass for goodness sake. Be glad you’re alive in this scary Covid world with a death rate of 0.5%!!
    3. Simon Harris - we’re all so great really. Not sure what we’ve done besides closing the country down and failing to reopen. Stay the course, stay at home, keep worried and anxious.
    4. Dr Hoolihan - well I actually tell these guys what to do as my ass is on the line so I say we do nothing, NPHET agreed. Or as close to nothing for as long as we can get away with it and see where that takes us. At least I’m covered, job done! Oh don’t forget there’s a killer Covid 19 on the loose, stay home, stay safe, stay scared!

    4 questions from media: we love you. Are you sure about homewares? Ok then, bye.

    This is why we are where we are and we need to change it NOW!


  • #3227
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Been on house arrest for 9 weeks is harder when you realise we are hiding in fear from a mild illness that kills some people over 80 with very serious underlying issues.

    Over 1 million out of work when less than 100 under 65 have died. How do we justify that?

    Screwing over the majority of the population for the minority. That’s not how a democracy should work.


  • #3228
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    bill murray wrote: »
    So what is your alternative, bare in mind italy had to use the army to dispose bodies there death toll was so high and the USA at the moment have mass graves dug for the dead over there.

    And your solution is carry on as normal....

    I have supported all the actions taken to date and continue to support a controlled opening of society, however, this can only go on for so long. We cannot wait for a vaccine, even if it is possible. A friend today told me of a child who was rushed to crumlin this morning in a serious condition after what seemed to be a minor non Covid ailment. There is nothing I know of to suggest it was missed due to a delay, but there are thousands if not 10’s of thousands of people who are having serious conditions missed until they become critical at the moment. we have to plan to move on, and not just for economic reasons. We may end up having to have Covid hospitals like we once had TB hospitals, but the “new normal” has to be a return to as close to normal as possible


  • #3229
    bill murray
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭bill murray


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Please quote where I said that, or take back your frankly ridiculous unfounded assumption.

    You said and I quote

    "this is unsustainable, people are suffering and in the long run this will end up costing more lives and stealing as many futures as coronavirus."

    And I asked what do want to do if its so unsustainable. Carry on as normal?

    As if nothing could go wrong?


  • #3230
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    They should be allowing smaller shops in towns around Ireland open first.

    Then two weeks later the likes of ikea


  • #3231
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bill murray wrote: »
    You said and I quote

    "this is unsustainable, people are suffering and in the long run this will end up costing more lives and stealing as many futures as coronavirus."

    And I asked what do want to do if its so unsustainable. Carry on as normal?

    As if nothing could go wrong?

    I haven’t seen anyone suggesting we carry on as normal. But we should ditch the 5km restriction. Let homeware stores open. Enforce social distancing. Encourage wearing the face coverings.

    See how it goes.

    Lockdown for 3 more weeks at least is depressing for everyone and unwarranted.


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  • #3232
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    bill murray wrote: »
    You said and I quote

    "this is unsustainable, people are suffering and in the long run this will end up costing more lives and stealing as many futures as coronavirus."

    And I asked what do want to do if its so unsustainable. Carry on as normal?

    As if nothing could go wrong?

    There is a middle ground you know between going back to how we were and then having the arse dragged out of this until August. I’m all for the phased out easing of restrictions but having three weeks in between each phase, with the omni present threat of moving back a phase looming over us, is completely absurd when you realise that the majority of our hospitals are empty and the new cases occurring are completely manageable. Three more months of this is on the cards. Phase one is nothing but a gypped up phase zero. We need to be sensible now and asses any risks for ourselves. We aren’t children, and have used these months to educate ourselves on risks and modify our behaviour accordingly.

    The rest of Europe will be up and away and we’ll be still debating will we or won’t we about stage 3


  • #3233
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    This stuff is embarrassing. You have been on house arrest for 9 weeks to control the spread of a pandemic. You are not Mandela fighting for freedom from decades of oppression.

    Fairly easy to say when you are able to work from home. Not the case for everyone.


  • #3234
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,337 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    retro:electro wrote: »
    There is a middle ground you know between going back to how we were and then having the arse dragged out of this until August. I’m all for the phased out easing of restrictions but having three weeks in between each phase, with the omni present threat of moving back a phase looming over us, is completely absurd when you realise that the majority of our hospitals are empty and the new cases occurring are completely manageable. Three more months of this is on the cards. Phase one is nothing but a gypped up phase zero. We need to be sensible now and asses any risks for ourselves. We aren’t children, and have used these months to educate ourselves on risks and modify our behaviour accordingly.

    It would take many years of lockdown for it to kill as many people as coronavirus has already.

    You say we aren’t children yet the vast majority still refuse to wear masks. A majority of the country (and every country) are idiots unfortunately. If you work any job where you deal with the public this becomes apparent very quickly. There’s loads of them in this very thread.


  • #3235
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MadYaker wrote: »
    It would take many years of lockdown for it to kill as many people as coronavirus has already.

    You say we aren’t children yet the vast majority still refuse to wear masks. A majority of the country (and every country) are idiots unfortunately. If you work any job where you deal with the public this becomes apparent very quickly. There’s loads of them in this very thread.

    That’s so wrong.
    Years of lockdown would literally have us in economic depression. We’d be like animals, looting shops and society would have completely collapsed.

    Lockdown is barely even sustainable for another few months.

    The cost so far is about 30 billion.


  • #3236
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    MadYaker wrote: »
    It would take many years of lockdown for it to kill as many people as coronavirus has already.

    Its a very small shift in the economic fortunes of a country that will cost more life than Covid. This is primarily killing end of life and terminally ill.


  • #3237
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    bill murray wrote: »
    You said and I quote

    "this is unsustainable, people are suffering and in the long run this will end up costing more lives and stealing as many futures as coronavirus."

    And I asked what do want to do if its so unsustainable. Carry on as normal?

    As if nothing could go wrong?

    And your response, and I quote, was ‘and your solution is to carry on as normal....’ when I never even remotely suggested that.
    So that was an assumption on your part and an unfounded one at that.

    The timeline is too slow.
    We have one million people out of work and billions of euros of debt building by the day.
    Meanwhile our hospitals are empty with no covid patients, waiting for a surge that ISN’T COMING because everyone has been locked in their houses for the last 9 weeks.
    August 10th is just over 12 weeks away. We are already 9 weeks in.
    That means the country will have been effectively shut down for over 6 months while the daily number of cases is minuscule & completely manageable for the health service. This is absolutely absurd.

    Cocoon the elderly and those with underlying health conditions and allow everyone else to go back to work. The level of damage being done is going to have decades worth of consequences and the fact that some people think this is acceptable while covid-19 wards across the country lay empty is absolutely mind boggling.
    Lockdown is not a cure for the virus, it only delays and suppresses the inevitable.


  • #3238
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    MadYaker wrote: »
    It would take many years of lockdown for it to kill as many people as coronavirus has already.

    You say we aren’t children yet the vast majority still refuse to wear masks. A majority of the country (and every country) are idiots unfortunately. If you work any job where you deal with the public this becomes apparent very quickly. There’s loads of them in this very thread.

    'Many years of lockdown'? What dream world are you living in? European societies could collapse unless they come out of lockdown.


  • #3239
    riclad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    The research seems to suggest young people under 12
    don,t spread the virus. I.d prefer the government is slow and cautious than move too fast and allow the virus to spread. The government told most shops to close. How can 1000,s of workers buy food and pay rent with zero income? The government had to act fast 350euro will cover most people, s expenses. When all the shops are open the payment will stop. It's a temporary measure.
    This is not like the crash in 2008 business, s are closed in
    Order to stop the virus spreading and the hospitals
    Being overloaded with potential patients


  • #3240
    The HorsesMouth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    MadYaker wrote: »
    It would take many years of lockdown for it to kill as many people as coronavirus has already.

    You say we aren’t children yet the vast majority still refuse to wear masks. A majority of the country (and every country) are idiots unfortunately. If you work any job where you deal with the public this becomes apparent very quickly. There’s loads of them in this very thread.

    Would you get a grip of yourself. We were asked to wear masks today...let's wait and see how many people do or don't wear them.


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  • #3241
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Been on house arrest for 9 weeks is harder when you realise we are hiding in fear from a mild illness that kills some people over 80 with very serious underlying issues.

    Over 1 million out of work when less than 100 under 65 have died. How do we justify that?

    Screwing over the majority of the population for the minority. That’s not how a democracy should work.

    Few people are in fear, mostly just common decency and regard for the life of elderly people. 'Some people', yeah, just a few hundred thousand in Europe in 8 weeks, very considerate.

    Life expectancy at age 80 for a westerner is much higher than most people think. For an American woman it is 9 years, for men it is 7 more years.
    Irish victims in their late seventies and early 80's would have a lot of years left to live if not for covid.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7565998

    It is different to the average age of death in Ireland which is 80 , a figure which is dragged down massively by people who die young of suicide, car crashes, child mortality, sudden adult deaths, accidents,murder, very unhealthy lifestyles, middle aged people getting cancer, whatever.

    If you make it to your 70s or early 80s, you are more than likely going to make it to around 90 years old before you die, barring an exception such as this pandemic.


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