BusConnects Dublin - Big changes to Bus Network

13-05-2020 9:22pm

L1011 wrote: »

NBRU want there to be lots of drivers.

Driverless metro and more efficient buses = less drivers needed

The dream

Spanish Eyes · 13-05-2020 9:31pm

Bus Connects is going to extend until 2037! like Metro North.

People will be working from home, and few will be interested in shopping in the CC. Tough times for Pt.

Procrastination has paid off for the powers that be.

SEPT 23 1989 · 13-05-2020 9:36pm

We desperately need better bus services in rural west Dublin

Thank you NBRU

GT89 · 13-05-2020 9:47pm

L1011 wrote: »

NBRU want there to be lots of drivers.

Driverless metro and more efficient buses = less drivers needed

A driverless metro will likely still have to have a staff member on board like on the DLR who can take over the driving role in circumstances when it is unable to be controlled automatically. They are known as passenger service agents (PSAs).

Peregrine · 13-05-2020 10:00pm

StreetLight wrote: »

I have seen the various points made by the NBRU over the years, but not this. It's just a flag-flying exercise. I wouldn't get worked up about any of it.

NBRU stirred up a lot of be anger through dozens of 'public meetings' with local politicians during the first phase of network redesign. They handed out information leaflets with blatantly false information and told people their bus routes were cut when they were just renamed. I would go as far as saying they started the negative hysteria against BusConnects right from the first consultation.

That was not flag flying. This letter is designed to get the media's attention but they are very serious about their dislike for BusConnects.

It's a shame because there are important issues about staff safety that needs to be discussed right now but O'Leary chose to throw a few unrelated hand grenades into the letter to serve the union which completely distracted the media from the staff safety issues.

13-05-2020 10:41pm

GT89 wrote: »

A driverless metro will likely still have to have a staff member on board like on the DLR who can take over the driving role in circumstances when it is unable to be controlled automatically. They are known as passenger service agents (PSAs).

As the DLR is GoA4 its perfectly capable of running without any staffing on board. DLR having those staff is the equivalent of retaining elevator operators "just incase".

Thrashssacre · 14-05-2020 1:31am

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

We desperately need better bus services in rural west Dublin

Thank you NBRU

What??

Cookie_Monster · 14-05-2020 1:42am

StreetLight wrote: »

I have seen the various points made by the NBRU over the years, but not this. It's just a flag-flying exercise. I wouldn't get worked up about any of it.

Indeed, but it has worked. We're talking about it, in the papers etc.

The NTA should have issued a statement condemning them as soon as it was published, the only way things will change is if NBRU and the likes get told to **** off an mind their own business at every oppertunity.

salmocab · 14-05-2020 8:21am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Indeed, but it has worked. We're talking about it, in the papers etc.

The NTA should have issued a statement condemning them as soon as it was published, the only way things will change is if NBRU and the likes get told to **** off an mind their own business at every oppertunity.

I was thinking that myself. A statement saying they are talking nonsense and only thinking of their membership, they need to be put in their box regularly.

L1011 · 14-05-2020 9:01am

GT89 wrote: »

A driverless metro will likely still have to have a staff member on board like on the DLR who can take over the driving role in circumstances when it is unable to be controlled automatically. They are known as passenger service agents (PSAs).

Most recent deployments don't. Copenhagen for instance

Jamie2k9 · 14-05-2020 4:05pm

Hope NBRU are going to be as vocal about how much DART Expansion runs over budget, already hundreds of millions over budget.

https://twitter.com/NBRU_DUBLIN/status/1260943577800159232

Jamie2k9 · 14-05-2020 4:08pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Indeed, but it has worked. We're talking about it, in the papers etc.

The NTA should have issued a statement condemning them as soon as it was published, the only way things will change is if NBRU and the likes get told to **** off an mind their own business at every oppertunity.

He has handed Government and NTA everything needed to run a nice smear campaign against the union

PhilOssophy · 14-05-2020 4:20pm

salmocab wrote: »

I was thinking that myself. A statement saying they are talking nonsense and only thinking of their membership, they need to be put in their box regularly.

The problem is, unions are a law onto themselves. If they spread false news, people just think "Oh well there must be some truth in it". If a newspaper wrote something false about it, they could be sued for libel. Why is it not the same?

Unions just stifle progress in almost every walk of life and this is yet another example.

LeinsterDub · 14-05-2020 4:54pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

We desperately need better bus services in rural west Dublin

Thank you NBRU

Dublin has a rural west now? Also the NBRU are pushing for a BRT to Tallaght. Is Tallaght rural now?

donvito99 · 14-05-2020 5:03pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Dublin has a rural west now? Also the NBRU are pushing for a BRT to Tallaght. Is Tallaght rural now?

Tallaght was rural back in the 60s/70s, BRT might have been appropriate then.

Peregrine · 14-05-2020 5:27pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

The NTA should have issued a statement condemning them as soon as it was published, the only way things will change is if NBRU and the likes get told to **** off an mind their own business at every oppertunity.

Full steam ahead

They can't really put out statements against specific people's comments but they usually reply to questions put to them by the media telling them why it's needed and still going ahead.

https://twitter.com/BusConnects/status/1260865313530417152?s=20

https://independent.ie/irish-news/2bn-busconnects-plan-set-to-go-ahead-despite-calls-for-it-to-be-halted-39205333.html?__twitter_impression=true

Zebra3 · 14-05-2020 6:10pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Hope NBRU are going to be as vocal about how much DART Expansion runs over budget, already hundreds of millions over budget.

https://twitter.com/NBRU_DUBLIN/status/1260943577800159232

I hear the Metro can't operate in cycle lanes, on the M50 or on a canal.

Madness to proceed with it.

MJohnston · 14-05-2020 8:47pm

Peregrine wrote: »

Full steam ahead

They can't really put out statements against specific people's comments but they usually reply to questions put to them by the media telling them why it's needed and still going ahead.

https://independent.ie/irish-news/2bn-busconnects-plan-set-to-go-ahead-despite-calls-for-it-to-be-halted-39205333.html?__twitter_impression=true

This is the right approach - addressing the points of that O'Leary egomaniac without invoking his name to give him the attention he seems to desperately need. He seems to be built in the same mould as those other two who had their day in court recently.

Dyr · 15-05-2020 4:05pm

Madness to put money in mass transport in a post pandemic world. Anyone who can work from home should be doing so from here on in

The balloon has gone up for the social engineers I'm afraid

donvito99 · 15-05-2020 4:12pm

Bambi wrote: »

Madness to put money in mass transport in a post pandemic world. Anyone who can work from home should be doing so from here on in

The balloon has gone up for the social engineers I'm afraid

It is silly to think that there won't be a need for public transport - "mass" or otherwise - after we're through this.

Podge_irl · 15-05-2020 5:03pm

Bambi wrote: »

Madness to put money in mass transport in a post pandemic world. Anyone who can work from home should be doing so from here on in

The balloon has gone up for the social engineers I'm afraid

It has been a post pandemic world for several million years. This isn't the first and won't be the last.

cgcsb · 15-05-2020 5:13pm

Bambi wrote: »

Madness to put money in mass transport in a post pandemic world. Anyone who can work from home should be doing so from here on in

The balloon has gone up for the social engineers I'm afraid

90% of the metro lines in the world have been built since the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic.

Dyr · 15-05-2020 6:41pm

cgcsb wrote: »

90% of the metro lines in the world have been built since the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic.

What percentage of the world could work from home back then?

Big win for the environment and decentralisation here, less traffic, quality of life improving. Greens shaping up to government could make it happen.

All at the cost of dismaying the Hornby enthusiasts but such is life.

donvito99 · 15-05-2020 6:52pm

Bambi wrote: »

What percentage of the world could work from home back then?

Big win for the environment and decentralisation here, less traffic, quality of life improving. Greens shaping up to government could make it happen.

All at the cost of dismaying the Hornby enthusiasts but such is life.

Bambi getting out into the real world every so often would do you a lot of good.

Dyr · 15-05-2020 8:24pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Bambi getting out into the real world every so often would do you a lot of good.

You might have noticed the bus was a bit quieter on your peregrinations over the last few months?

As you were saying, real world...

cgcsb · 15-05-2020 9:05pm

Bambi wrote: »

What percentage of the world could work from home back then?

Big win for the environment and decentralisation here, less traffic, quality of life improving. Greens shaping up to government could make it happen.

All at the cost of dismaying the Hornby enthusiasts but such is life.

People will go back to offices on a part time basis and eventually capacity will fill up again. In 2 years time we'll be wedging ourselves onto buses same as before. None of these projects will be completed in 2 years either.

GT89 · 15-05-2020 10:33pm

Bambi wrote: »

What percentage of the world could work from home back then?

Big win for the environment and decentralisation here, less traffic, quality of life improving. Greens shaping up to government could make it happen.

All at the cost of dismaying the Hornby enthusiasts but such is life.

If a pandemic reduces public transport usage under investment is almost guaranteed to reduce it even further. It's proven that investment and ridership go hand in glove.

AlekSmart · 16-05-2020 12:46am

cgcsb wrote: »

People will go back to offices on a part time basis and eventually capacity will fill up again. In 2 years time we'll be wedging ourselves onto buses same as before. None of these projects will be completed in 2 years either.

Succinct and accurate.

Human nature,and the basics of human physical interaction guarantee it.

WFH,as it's lknown to the proponents is fine in short bursts and for a relatively small set of jobs,but for the majority of folks the basic Work-Home thing does actually work as a way of life (But most do not like admitting it

)

Just as with the Facemask issue,there are deep rooted and largely inbuilt behaviour patterns which will see us return to a free existence.

My only point of difference is the timescale.....2 years is pessimistic...I'm going with 12 months

Just WASH YER HANDS...and DON'T SNEEZE IN MY FACE ....Capice ?

loyatemu · 18-05-2020 1:20pm

The transport system was already over-capacity. The changes in work practises brought about by C19 might bring back to just being at capacity, but it won't take long for the numbers to go back up. Dublin will have 2m inhabitants in 20 years, it needs a functioning mass-transit system regardless of this pandemic.

Hurrache · 18-05-2020 4:54pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Dublin has a rural west now? Also the NBRU are pushing for a BRT to Tallaght. Is Tallaght rural now?

Tallaght is not the only place in the west of Dublin, it spreads as far as there all the way to the airport, with a big green belt that still has working farms and little transport.

BusConnects Dublin - Big changes to Bus Network

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