Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Wibbs · 15-05-2020 05:53PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Was talking to someone today who finds them very claustrophobic and will not be wearing one either.

And yet East Asians, Czechs, Germans, Italians, Spaniards and a load of others seem to be able to wear them just fine, but here, ah no, the excuses are found and roll off the tongue with such ease. As usual, and not just with Covid19. There's always a whinge. We do love a good whinge.

Beasty · 15-05-2020 05:53PM

Beasty wrote: »

The Donald is comparing his "Operation Wharpspeed" to the "Manhattan Project":eek:

So he's using Star Trek terminology and comparing his attempt to find a vaccine with dropping atomic bombs on Japan...

"No ego"

Fortunately Fauchi is wearing a mask, so we can't see most of his facial expressions!

is_that_so · 15-05-2020 05:54PM

Beasty wrote: »

I presume it will be a Press Release rather than presentation today, given Leo's already done a Press Briefing

Dunno, Friday is usually a briefing.

Gregor Samsa · 15-05-2020 05:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Missed the briefing, but from reading the guidance published of the department of health website, there is no mention of being allowed to only travel less than 5km to newly reopened businesses.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/#retail-personal-and-commercial-activities

From 18 May 2020 you can also leave your home to avail of the expanded list of essential retail services as set out under the retail, personal services and commercial activities heading below.

The 5k restriction was always only about exercise (meeting up to 4 people socially has now been added).

For shopping for essential goods, goring to work (as an essential employee), or anything else that you were allowed to do, you could always travel the distance required to do so, even if it was more than 5k. There's thousands of people who live more than 5k from their nearest shop, their nearest hospital or pharmacy, their job, and they've always been allowed to travel to those during the restrictions. Now, I would assume that if you lived in Cork and decided you wanted to go to Dunnes or Woodies in Dundalk that you'd have a hard time explaining that your journey was essential if you were stopped, but if your nearest hardware store is 35km away from you, you will be allowed travel to that.

Jim Bob Scratcher · 15-05-2020 05:54PM

Beasty wrote: »

The Donald is comparing his "Operation Wharpspeed" to the "Manhattan Project":eek:

So he's using Star Trek terminology and comparing his attempt to find a vaccine with dropping atomic bombs on Japan...

Hon the truckers :pac:

Beasty · 15-05-2020 05:56PM

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Hon the truckers :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9lmCpIzhFo

is_that_so · 15-05-2020 05:56PM

Wibbs wrote: »

And yet East Asians, Czechs, Germans, Italians, Spaniards and a load of others seem to be able to wear them just fine, but here, ah no, the excuses are found and roll off the tongue with such ease. As usual, and not just with Covid19. There's always a whinge. We do love a good whinge.

Indeed your whinge is why they aren't mandatory!

New Home · 15-05-2020 05:56PM

speckle wrote: »

I like New homes photo of the visor though. I normaly dont wrap scarves around my face also.

Credit where credit is due, I was only quoting someone else's posts.

Beasty wrote: »

The Donald is comparing his "Operation Wharpspeed" to the "Manhattan Project":eek:

So he's using Star Trek terminology and comparing his attempt to find a vaccine with dropping atomic bombs on Japan...

Did we really need any more confirmations that the man is an utter idiot and a dangerous one at that? We didn't, yet he goes out and gives us even more evidence. For the love of all that is holy...

15-05-2020 05:57PM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

The 5k restriction was always only about exercise (meeting up to 4 people socially has now been added).

For shopping for essential goods, goring to work (as an essential employee), or anything else that you were allowed to do, you could always travel the distance required to do so, even if it was more than 5k. There's thousands of people who live more than 5k from their nearest shop, their nearest hospital or pharmacy, their job, and they've always been allowed to travel to those during the restrictions.

I understand that. I was been told here unequivocally yesterday that I was wrong however and would not be allowed go to the garden centre 6km away

MadYaker · 15-05-2020 05:58PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Indeed your whinge is why they aren't mandatory!

Once lockdown is lifted a lot work places and businesses won’t allow you in without a mask I think.

snowgal · 15-05-2020 05:58PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I genuinely think part of it is that the boss hates their home life and gets off on controlling others. They have shown themselves to be completely bereft of empathy

Last thing as well is that we have no recreation but we're forced to go into hazardous working environments and meet every sort of c*nt when we can't even hang out with our friends or families. What the hell kind of life even is that.

this, x alot! so many stories of bosses like this the past few days....I wont rant on, on this thread about it but its so true

speckle · 15-05-2020 05:59PM

Beasty wrote: »

The Donald is comparing his "Operation Wharpspeed" to the "Manhattan Project":eek:

So he's using Star Trek terminology and comparing his attempt to find a vaccine with dropping atomic bombs on Japan...

lolololololol.... still laughing....snorting.. . thankfully no one around...hahaha... I really shouldn't thats really baaaddd. Japan doesn't need to hear that... they have enough to be dealing with...

is_that_so · 15-05-2020 06:02PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Once lockdown is lifted a lot work places and businesses won’t allow you in without a mask I think.

They won't be able to enforce that especially as it is up to them to ensure proper social distancing. They can get shut down for lack of proper social distancing not because people aren't wearing masks.

speckle · 15-05-2020 06:02PM

iguana wrote: »

At a minimum this kind of visored bucket hat that are being used for small children in Asia would help minimise transmissions from coughs and sneezes. They are available in adult sizes too.

thanks I like the look of that. Given me an idea. Its even colour cordinated.

Wibbs · 15-05-2020 06:02PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Indeed your whinge is why they aren't mandatory!

Nope, my whinge is based on logic and the experience of nations who have had far better outcomes, are moving out of lockdowns and getting back to life and have far fewer dead people.

And it's not just about masks. Look at the whinging and constant bloody questions about lockdown and what does 5k mean. Look at the whinging about the covid payment. Look at the we couldn't operate border checks, or quarantine whinge when nations surrounded on all sides by other nations and multiple borders can do it. The list is along bloody one. No matter what is done or said by our wishy washy nearly always one step behind authorities we either whinge at what they are doing or slap them on the back for the eff all they are doing.

This nation is one of the best on the planet to live in when things are going well, even normal, but good god we're at best mediocre when the poo hits the propeller or any large scale publicly funded enterprise is on the go. Delays failures, massive expense are the order of the day. Show me where and when they weren't in the last 30 years.

wakka12 · 15-05-2020 06:03PM

political analyst wrote: »

My uncle, who lives in Dublin, had a flu-like illness last December. He and his wife have foreign students staying with them at their house - two students had been staying there before his illness; one student was Italian, the other was Chinese.

I also heard of a teacher being sick at the same time with an illness "worse than the flu".

So maybe the first wave had already hit us (There's already a lot of talk about that online and so it's reasonable to believe it) and the second wave was underway when our lockdown commenced.

5% of Spanish people and 3% of Dutch have antibodies. The first wave was in March

Anything you had before mid february is 99% likely to be any of the many other common respiratory illness that are not COVID

Wibbs · 15-05-2020 06:04PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Once lockdown is lifted a lot work places and businesses won’t allow you in without a mask I think.

They will M, because the government have sat on the fence as usual and there's a massive background cultural resistance to masks. So if one business makes it mandatory, people will just flock to the one who don't give two hoots.

Steve F · 15-05-2020 06:06PM

Garages, Motor Car repairs, Tyre shops can open but not NCT centres????

Why's that then?

growleaves · 15-05-2020 06:08PM

Steve F wrote: »

Garages, Motor Car repairs, Tyre shops can open but not NCT centres????

Why's that then?

Confucius say we must step on the dying embers of a fire in retreat.

Steve F · 15-05-2020 06:11PM

growleaves wrote: »

Confucius say we must step on the dying embers of a fire in retreat.

Still doesn't make sense ....all rely on your car being roadworthy but NCT centres staying closed??

is_that_so · 15-05-2020 06:13PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Nope, my whinge is based on logic and the experience of nations who have had far better outcomes, are moving out of lockdowns and getting back to life and have far fewer dead people.

We don't have enough data to show why most countries have had different experiences of this nor do we know what measures at what precise point affected this most, but I believe there is a project underway to analyse all of that data. The mask wearing advice was applied at the same point we are at now. As for why we took longer the care homes will feature in reports and in future planning.

is_that_so · 15-05-2020 06:14PM

Steve F wrote: »

Garages, Motor Car repairs, Tyre shops can open but not NCT centres????

Why's that then?

Cos Shane Ross said no.

15-05-2020 06:16PM

Good BBC article from today on Vietnam's approach. Talks about some of the more interesting things about the forced quarantines etc. and it is realistic in saying there were "rights-violating excesses".

It is tempting to say it's completely irrelevant by now but I don't think so. I think if Ireland's numbers are pretty low when it starts to open up, it should adopt some of the measures. Proper contact tracing and travel restrictions on say a village or a housing estate with confirmed cases seems plausible. Masks as well. If there isn't forced quarantine on arrivals, then actual tests in the airports would be good.

Or just keep comparing Ireland to Sweden and the UK.. Whatever works.

growleaves · 15-05-2020 06:17PM

Steve F wrote: »

Still doesn't make sense ....all rely on your car being roadworthy but NCT centres staying closed??

There is no explanation, its just incoherent. Replacing undefined common sense with a multiplication of specific rules which can't be reconciled to one another and then micromanaging these rules.

15-05-2020 06:18PM

Beasty wrote: »

"No ego"

Fortunately Fauchi is wearing a mask, so we can't see most of his facial expressions!

Most likely his "what's the tool saying now" face, but in fairness to him he obviously has great self control and a good poker face.

Wibbs · 15-05-2020 06:21PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The mask wearing advice was applied at the same point we are at now.

Are you serious? What country had masks and applied them this late in the day? That would be none.

As for why we took longer the care homes will feature in reports and in future planning.

I'll save the millions in quangos and "inquiries"; we elect and support the mediocre in politics and the public services and whinge if they do anything, or do nothing, so sitting on the fence and covering their arse is their best bet.

Cos Shane Ross said no.

The same Ross who took his sweet time dithering about closing them in the first place when it was obvious it would be a high risk infection point that people even the vulnerable would find hard to avoid.

growleaves · 15-05-2020 06:26PM

Enforcing social distancing and quarantine relied on its entrenched system of "loyal neighbourhood party cadres spying on area residents and reporting to superiors", says Phil Robertson of Human Rights Watch

Ho Chi Minh City or Dublin 6?

is_that_so · 15-05-2020 06:30PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Are you serious? What country had masks and applied them this late in the day? That would be none. I'll save the millions in quangos and "inquiries"; we elect and support the mediocre in politics and the public services and whinge if they do anything, or do nothing, so sitting on the fence and covering their arse is their best bet.

I'm talking about the point at which they applied them. We are at that point now. That they got to that point a lot sooner than us is a different conversation.

DevilsHaircut · 15-05-2020 06:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I understand that. I was been told here unequivocally yesterday that I was wrong however and would not be allowed go to the garden centre 6km away

'You should still stay at home whenever possible and only travel for essential reasons...

From 18 May 2020 you can also leave your home to avail of the expanded list of essential retail services as set out under the retail, personal services and commercial activities heading below...

People should not travel beyond 5 kilometres from where they live to visit any of the above facilities [cultural and social, golf, tennis].'

Garden centres are essential only for people who garden for a living.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/#retail-personal-and-commercial-activities

15-05-2020 06:34PM

growleaves wrote: »

Ho Chi Minh City or Dublin 6?

Taken from
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-52628283
Coronavirus: How 'overreaction' made Vietnam a virus success

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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