Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

podgeandrodge · 15-05-2020 04:53PM

GazzaL wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1261321067936780289

According to our glorious leaders, a hardware shop that sells homeware can open, but a homeware shop that sells hardware cannot. How ****ing stupid is that?

Eod100 wrote: »

Is it really that much of a big deal?

Might be to the owners and staff who rely on a job.

Morrison J · 15-05-2020 04:53PM

JP100 wrote: »

Special needs children especially ones with autism would have sensory issues whereby getting them to wear a mask would be impossible for a lot of them.

Seems a bit crazy to not pass such an important legislation due to a section as small as that. Not difficult to make it mandatory to everyone else.

Morrison J · 15-05-2020 04:56PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

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I do agree with masks on public transport, as people are near each other for an extended period of time. So I don't want to sound anti mask - I just feel that it is dependent on the circumstances. And a quick trip for a pint of milk is ott imo.

Agree I'd only make it mandatory on public transport where you can be sat in close proximity to someone for an extended period. Massive oversight not putting importance in it imo.

Cypher_sounds · 15-05-2020 04:59PM

What construction company goes into a hardware store like woodies for their materials. Your talking smack Leo.

political analyst · 15-05-2020 04:59PM

If a person is the victim of an attack that involves spitting or the use of a syringe and is then given retroviral drugs to combat the threat of HIV infection, would those drugs, by default, also work against SARS CoV 2 (the official designation for the virus that causes Covid 19), given that it has a much lower fatality rate than HIV and, unlike HIV, eventually leaves the body if you survive it?

After all, the lower the fatality rate of a virus and the greater the chance of recovering from it, the easier it is to medically intervene against it, right?

GazzaL · 15-05-2020 05:00PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Is it really that much of a big deal?

I'd say it's a big deal for employees and owners of homewares shops, yes. Given that they would have been planning this for weeks, advertising their reopening and setting customer expectations, only for the Government/HSE to attempt to keep them shut last minute on a whim.

stephenjmcd · 15-05-2020 05:00PM

Morrison J wrote: »

Seems a bit crazy to not pass such an important legislation due to a section as small as that. Not difficult to make it mandatory to everyone else.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1261323889268883456?s=19

Spanish Eyes · 15-05-2020 05:00PM

Look up buffs/bandanas. I have a few, they have multiple uses, and will now be great for face coverings too. Plenty for sale online too. No need for hospital grade masks.

igCorcaigh · 15-05-2020 05:01PM

political analyst wrote: »

If a person is the victim of an attack that involves spitting or the use of a syringe and is then given retroviral drugs to combat the threat of HIV infection, would those drugs, by default, also work against SARS CoV 2 (the official designation for the virus that causes Covid 19), given that it has a much lower fatality rate than HIV and, unlike HIV, eventually leaves the body if you survive it?

After all, the lower the fatality rate of a virus and the greater the chance of recovering from it, the easier it is to medically intervene against it, right?

No and no.

iguana · 15-05-2020 05:04PM

Morrison J wrote: »

The people being allergic to face masks seems a bit of a cop out to make it mandatory. Surely people can find a material they aren't allergic to and cover their faces that way?

Should 100% be mandatory on public transport.

At a minimum this kind of visored bucket hat that are being used for small children in Asia would help minimise transmissions from coughs and sneezes. They are available in adult sizes too.

SlowBlowin · 15-05-2020 05:15PM

Every time someone mentions C19 infecting animals we are told that its highly unlikely.

The reports in the press about meat packing plants say its nothing to do with the meat, its the close proximity of the workers.

A tiger tested positive in a zoo, how would be possibly catch it ? He was in isolation by being in a zoo ? His only external exposure was the meat he was fed. The official line is the animals caught it from an infected employee ? Tigers are cats, cats are one of the most common pets.

Now I read that new C19 vaccines are being tested on animals with promising results ?

I would love an expert to explain why we should be so complacent about animals and C19, when they seem to catch it from humans, and play a role in developing a vaccine, surely if they can catch it from us, and they can play a role in developing a human vaccine then they can infect humans or am I missing something ?

New Home · 15-05-2020 05:16PM

iguana wrote: »

At a minimum this kind of visored bucket hat that are being used for small children in Asia would help minimise transmissions from coughs and sneezes. They are available in adult sizes too.

Probably not the best for using on public transport, where someone sitting right behind you could cough or sneeze and the droplets could get trapped between the visor and your face (Ewh!).

speckle · 15-05-2020 05:17PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Anyone else hear the name of the hospital that fecked up yesterday? Few people I've spoken to are fairly convinced it's a certain private hospital in Dublin.

I think it has to be a private hospital where who knows especially if they had no covid ward like the public which would draw more attention to healthcare workers testing positive and a minority being hospitalised?

New Home · 15-05-2020 05:17PM

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Every time someone mentions C19 infecting animals we are told that its highly unlikely.

The reports in the press about meat packing plants say its nothing to do with the meat, its the close proximity of the workers.

A tiger tested positive in a zoo, how would be possibly catch it ? He was in isolation by being in a zoo ? His only external exposure was the meat he was fed. The official line is the animals caught it from an infected employee ? Tigers are cats, cats are one of the most common pets.

Now I read that new C19 vaccines are being tested on animals with promising results ?

I would love an expert to explain why we should be so complacent about animals and C19, when they seem to catch it from humans, and play a role in developing a vaccine, surely if they can catch it from us, and they can play a role in developing a human vaccine then they can infect humans or am I missing something ?

Zookeepers. But I don't entirely disagree with you re: the meat.

Ficheall · 15-05-2020 05:17PM

Dutch official advice to single people: find a sex buddy for lockdown

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/15/dutch-official-advice-to-single-people-find-a-sex-buddy-for-lockdown-coronavirus?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_WhatsApp

stephenjmcd · 15-05-2020 05:18PM

Italy reports 789 new cases of coronavirus and 242 new deaths.

Total of 223,885 cases and 31,610 deaths.

speckle · 15-05-2020 05:20PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Yeah, I see he doesn't mention quarantine anywhere. If we get rid of it in this country and quarantine all incomers then it never gets back in. Simple stuff from somebody who is not a scientist or a medical professional.

I agree then add countries who get to zero and onwards.. to a no quareenteen agreement. So if we get to zero we could go to new zealand for hols...:-)
edit: a bit like the EU idea.

TheDoctor · 15-05-2020 05:23PM

Looking at the roadmap, compared to say this week, cant see much change in the volume of people moving about round our way. Cant see any reason for any major increase in cases.

Looks like maybe phase 3 could result in a different vibe about the place, not for another 6 weeks though.

SlowBlowin · 15-05-2020 05:31PM

New Home wrote: »

Zookeepers. But I don't entirely disagree with you re: the meat.

Yes, as I said in the post thats the official line, the bit I don't buy is animals can catch it from us, develop the virus in their lungs and get sick, but its unlikely that we can catch it from their virus laden breath ??? To me that seems illogical.

Gregor Samsa · 15-05-2020 05:32PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Yeah, I see he doesn't mention quarantine anywhere. If we get rid of it in this country and quarantine all incomers then it never gets back in. Simple stuff from somebody who is not a scientist or a medical professional.

It might sound simple, but you can't quarantine all incomers.

The entire freight industry would collapse overnight if drivers, ferry crews and airline crew had to quarantine for 2 weeks every time they set foot here. This would mean no food or goods getting in or out of the country any more. We'd be destroyed in a week.

Then there's about 270 road crossings between the Republic and Northern Ireland (which, incidentally is more than on all other external EU borders combined). The security operation to police all of them in order to enforce quarantine would be phenomenal. Even the British army couldn't control all those roads during The Troubles.

It might be possible to require quarantine for a certain subset of incoming travellers, and the effectiveness of that is open to debate, but the notion that we can quarantine literally everyone that comes here, or "close borders" just because we're an island, is simply not feasible.

Seven Septs · 15-05-2020 05:35PM

Are we to have the deaths and cases announcement at 5.30-6pm today?

growleaves · 15-05-2020 05:37PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Dutch official advice to single people: find a sex buddy for lockdown

That is interesting. They are discouraging promiscuity, as happened during the AIDS crisis.

Eod100 · 15-05-2020 05:39PM

Seven Septs wrote: »

Are we to have the deaths and cases announcement at 5.30-6pm today?

6.30 or thereabouts apparently https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1261307156474875905

speckle · 15-05-2020 05:43PM

Morrison J wrote: »

Seems a bit crazy to not pass such an important legislation due to a section as small as that. Not difficult to make it mandatory to everyone else.

And people with facial skin disorders including healthcare workers. I have been using them but at the rate my skin was been damaged after an hours use... I would have none left in a couple if months. I counted 6 big chin sores 16 on my cheeks and 12 on my nose! I really feel for the doctors and nurses in Italy and Wuhan so I will continue looking. I like New homes photo of the visor though. I normaly dont wrap scarves around my face also. Have a problem with motor bike helmets also but not as bad( possibly air at that speed).
People with Copd or asthma may have issues at times also if they have to wear them for very long periods on public transport like kerry to dublin train etc.
Edit: Thanks Iguana for visor photo.

podgeandrodge · 15-05-2020 05:43PM

boards poster wrote:

I really hope we hear about objectors to returning to work, although the media doesn't like reporting on "civil disobedience".

With the amount of people being put in unsafe situations, many will just say "no". The cases inevitably growing after the restrictions are lifted will lead to people leaving their jobs rather than risking their lives, in many cases.

My boss has .........................................................................................

For example, ......................(not on a stable contract) was told to come in and ................................

I'm scheduled to be back on Monday .....................................................................................

What really gets me is .....................................................................................

I genuinely think part of it is .....................................

There's literally a mutiny brewing and I can't imagine ours is the only workplace like that.

Last thing as well is that we have no recreation ......................................

@the poster that posted this (I have removed text and name as suggested by other posters in case you fix yours and my quoting remains), I would advise you not to get into that level of detail about your circumstances. Not that everyone from everywhere is on boards, but if your boss happened to be, they could potentially identify you from the above as you've provided many personal attributes (detailed in original post). Just saying.

is_that_so · 15-05-2020 05:46PM

Seven Septs wrote: »

Are we to have the deaths and cases announcement at 5.30-6pm today?

Probably later as he was at that other presser.

15-05-2020 05:48PM

Missed the briefing, but from reading the guidance published of the department of health website, there is no mention of being allowed to only travel less than 5km to newly reopened businesses.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/#retail-personal-and-commercial-activities

From 18 May 2020 you can also leave your home to avail of the expanded list of essential retail services as set out under the retail, personal services and commercial activities heading below.

is_that_so · 15-05-2020 05:49PM

speckle wrote: »

And people with facial skin disorders including healthcare workers. I have been using them but at the rate my skin was been damaged after an hours use... I would have none left in a couple if months. I counted 6 big chin sores 16 on my cheeks and 12 on my nose! I really feel for the doctors and nurses in Italy and Wuhan so I will continue looking. I like New homes photo of the visor though. I normaly dont wrap scarves around my face also. Have a problem with motor bike helmets also but not as bad( possibly air at that speed).
People with Copd or asthma may have issues at times also if they have to wear them for very long periods on public transport like kerry to dublin train etc.

Was talking to someone today who finds them very claustrophobic and will not be wearing one either.

Beasty · 15-05-2020 05:50PM

The Donald is comparing his "Operation Wharpspeed" to the "Manhattan Project":eek:

So he's using Star Trek terminology and comparing his attempt to find a vaccine with dropping atomic bombs on Japan...

Beasty · 15-05-2020 05:52PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Probably later as he was at that other presser.

I presume it will be a Press Release rather than presentation today, given Leo's already done a Press Briefing

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