Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

speckle · 15-05-2020 03:04PM

New Home wrote: »

Someone made a very valid point: if I have diabetes and hypertension and got a brain haemorrhage and died, would I die WITH the brain haemorrhage or OF the brain haemorrhage?

would it be that diabetes and hypertension are longterm mainly controlable health issues where brain haemorragh in alot of cases is sudden and mainly irreversable.??
So of a brain haemorrhagh with diabetes/hypertension only if a co factor causing the haemorragh?

edit-covid which caused a haemorragh if it did and not something else then the above.
edit- wouldnt you need an autopsey in complex cases sometimes?

Tony EH · 15-05-2020 03:09PM

New Home wrote: »

Someone made a very valid point: if I have diabetes and hypertension and got a brain haemorrhage and died, would I die WITH the brain haemorrhage or OF the brain haemorrhage?

If the brain haemorrhage was responsible for killing you, then you died of a brain haemorrhage.

I think the determining factor is what actually does you in, in the end.

If I have cancer and get run over by a bus and squashed. It's the bus accident that's killed me.

Plumbthedepths · 15-05-2020 03:10PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Their numbers are starting to rise again.

I hate to be pedantic but can you link to what you are basing your comments on please.

wakka12 · 15-05-2020 03:12PM

Tony EH wrote: »

If the brain haemorrhage was responsible for killing you, then you died of a brain haemorrhage.

I think the determining factor is what actually does you in, in the end.

If I have cancer and get run over by a bus and squashed. It's the bus accident that's killed me.

It depends if the comorbidities contributed or not. Cancer did not contribute to your chance of dying from the car accident.But diabetes and hypertension contributed greatly towards your chances of having a brain hemorrage and your chance of surviving it. I would say COVID is rarely listed as the only COD

Looney1 · 15-05-2020 03:12PM

Any news on dentists. A lot of them have advertised re opening on monday

eagle eye · 15-05-2020 03:12PM

Plumbthedepths wrote:

I hate to be pedantic but can you link to what you are basing your comments on please.

The numbers from the last two days on worldometers.

crossman47 · 15-05-2020 03:13PM

Tony EH wrote: »

If the brain haemorrhage was responsible for killing you, then you died of a brain haemorrhage.

I think the determining factor is what actually does you in, in the end.

If I have cancer and get run over by a bus and squashed. It's the bus accident that's killed me.

See https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/in/vs/informationnoteontheimplicationsofcovid-19ontheprocessingofdeathcertificates/ for official coding rules

New Home · 15-05-2020 03:15PM

speckle wrote: »

would it be that diabetes and hypertension are longterm mainly controlable health issues where brain haemorragh in alot of cases is sudden and mainly irreversable.??
So of a brain haemorrhagh with diabetes/hypertension only if a co factor causing the haemorragh?

edit-covid which caused a haemorragh if it did and not something else then the above.
edit- wouldnt you need an autopsey in complex cases sometimes?

Yes, in the more complex cases, you would, but that's not currently possible (cremations, etc). I what they wanted to do was to compare Covid19 to the brain haemorrhage - would the diabetes/hypertension have killed you right then, had the brain haemorrhage not intervened?

Tony EH wrote: »

If the brain haemorrhage was responsible for killing you, then you died of a brain haemorrhage.

I think the determining factor is what actually does you in, in the end.

If I have cancer and get run over by a bus and squashed. It's the bus accident that's killed me.

That was exactly the point they were trying to make.

speckle · 15-05-2020 03:16PM

Looney1 wrote: »

Any news on dentists. A lot of them have advertised re opening on monday

https://www.dentist.ie/latest-news/irish-dental-association-describes-meeting-with-minister-for-health-as-constructive.8342.html

https://www.dentist.ie/news/covid-19-advice.8333.html

Looney1 · 15-05-2020 03:19PM

speckle wrote: »

https://www.dentist.ie/latest-news/irish-dental-association-describes-meeting-with-minister-for-health-as-constructive.8342.html

https://www.dentist.ie/news/covid-19-advice.8333.html

Nothing recent so

DevilsHaircut · 15-05-2020 03:21PM

For the purpose of tracking an infectious disease, it's 'died with' rather than 'died of' that's used (everywhere).

An Ciarraioch · 15-05-2020 03:23PM

eagle eye wrote: »

The numbers from the last two days on worldometers.

Cases were 927 and 877, deaths 123 and 67, so the former slightly higher but not overly so compared with the average, and the latter reverted to the norm on the second day:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/

Plumbthedepths · 15-05-2020 03:26PM

eagle eye wrote: »

The numbers from the last two days on worldometers.

Ok, however the trend is still downwards which is good. Although even a blind man could numbers will rise as restrictions ease.

speckle · 15-05-2020 03:30PM

Looney1 wrote: »

Nothing recent so

My dentist stayed open to do emergencys because they had the space/staff and PPE etc.
On that website their is a link to what they can do at each stage of a pandemic. They where taking referrals from dentists that couldnt continue operating.
If your stuck with your own dentist not open I would ring around others, if its one of the type of emergencys procedures that they can do.
Goodluck dental pain can be terrible.
try here also patient info

http://www.dentalcouncil.ie/covid.php

niallo27 · 15-05-2020 03:33PM

eagle eye wrote: »

So not working out for Germany then by the looks if things.

Czech Republic though, with closed borders and facemasks for everybody, have had under 100 cases per day, under 50 for four of those, and 20 total deaths in six days.

Where should we taking pointers from I wonder?

Germany has only 148 new cases today, their lowest in weeks.

Tony EH · 15-05-2020 03:34PM

wakka12 wrote: »

It depends if the comorbidities contributed or not. Cancer did not contribute to your chance of dying from the car accident.But diabetes and hypertension contributed greatly towards your chances of having a brain hemorrage and your chance of surviving it. I would say COVID is rarely listed as the only COD

Perhaps. But still the cause of death would still be a brain haemorrhage, despite the contributory factors.

My mother smoked all her life and ended up with chronic COPD, both of which contributed to her demise.

But her cause of death was respiratory failure.

For the purposes of this thread - and there have been some on here trying to minimise the death tolls of this virus for some reason - I know a chap who has a pulmonary disorder, who's terrified of getting Covid. He knows that his disorder will eventually kill him, probably. But if he gets Covid and dies because his condition won't allow his body to fight it properly, he's still died of Covid-19 infection because the infection was the actual cause of his death.

eagle eye · 15-05-2020 03:34PM

niallo27 wrote:

Germany has only 148 new cases today, their lowest in weeks.

Don't they update as the day goes on?

hotmail.com · 15-05-2020 03:35PM

Has anyone been arrested yet in the Mater?

Tony EH · 15-05-2020 03:36PM

New Home wrote: »

That was exactly the point they were trying to make.

No worries. I'm trying to do 100 things at once here, so I'm unfocused to say the least. Wasn't sure where you were going.

Martina1991 · 15-05-2020 03:38PM

The UK are in an absolute ****e in terms of their testing.

They have even outsourced 50,000 tests to the US to try and clear the backlog. Imagine the turnaround time for that.

A leaked internal NHS update email has stated that full information about the number of cases is “increasingly becoming unavailable” and cannot be reported “until further notice”. Their reporting of cases is based only on NHS lab tests, which make up less than half of total tests now being carried out, a proportion which is still shrinking further. They have no idea how many tests they are doing. They can’t identify clusters or track and trace.

Instead of building capacity in their NHS hospital labs, they built commercial ‘lighthouse’ labs that are uncontrolled and unaccredited. They did not consult the Institute of Biomedical Science (IBMS) before implementing this system and now their hospital labs are underutilised.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52603566
https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/exclusive-test-data-from-commercial-labs-going-into-black-hole/7027619.article

hotmail.com · 15-05-2020 03:39PM

IKEA won't be reopening on Monday now after all.
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wakka12 · 15-05-2020 03:41PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

The UK are in an absolute ****e in terms of their testing.

They have even outsourced 50,000 tests to the US to try and clear the backlog. Imagine the turnaround time for that.

A leaked internal NHS update email has stated that full information about the number of cases is “increasingly becoming unavailable” and cannot be reported “until further notice”. Their reporting of cases is based only on NHS lab tests, which make up less than half of total tests now being carried out, a proportion which is still shrinking further. They have no idea how many tests they are doing. They can’t identify clusters or track and trace.

Instead of building capacity in their NHS hospital labs, they built commercial ‘lighthouse’ labs that are uncontrolled and unaccredited. They did not consult the Institute of Biomedical Science (IBMS) before implementing this system and now their hospital labs are underutilised.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52603566
https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/exclusive-test-data-from-commercial-labs-going-into-black-hole/7027619.article

What is even the point of trying to test once it gets to a stage like that? The only purpose of testing is so you can identify and trace contacts. Shipping them off to the states and getting result slong after the patient recovered and infected others is a waste of time and money

DevilsHaircut · 15-05-2020 03:45PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

The UK are in an absolute ****e in terms of their testing.

They have even outsourced 50,000 tests to the US to try and clear the backlog. Imagine the turnaround time for that.

A leaked internal NHS update email has stated that full information about the number of cases is “increasingly becoming unavailable” and cannot be reported “until further notice”. Their reporting of cases is based only on NHS lab tests, which make up less than half of total tests now being carried out, a proportion which is still shrinking further. They have no idea how many tests they are doing. They can’t identify clusters or track and trace.

Instead of building capacity in their NHS hospital labs, they built commercial ‘lighthouse’ labs that are uncontrolled and unaccredited. They did not consult the Institute of Biomedical Science (IBMS) before implementing this system and now their hospital labs are underutilised.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52603566
https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/exclusive-test-data-from-commercial-labs-going-into-black-hole/7027619.article

The national reporting includes all the tests. The leak was about local access to the outsourced testing results.

New Home · 15-05-2020 03:45PM

Tony EH wrote: »

No worries. I'm trying to do 100 things at once here, so I'm unfocused to say the least. Wasn't sure where you were going.

Tony EH wrote: »

Perhaps. But still the cause of death would still be a brain haemorrhage, despite the contributory factors.

My mother smoked all her life and ended up with chronic COPD, both of which contributed to her demise.

But her cause of death was respiratory failure.

For the purposes of this thread - and there have been some on here trying to minimise the death tolls of this virus for some reason - I know a chap who has a pulmonary disorder, who's terrified of getting Covid. He knows that his disorder will eventually kill him, probably. But if he gets Covid and dies because his condition won't allow his body to fight it properly, he's still died of Covid-19 infection because the infection was the actual cause of his death.

^^^
Bingo.

Eod100 · 15-05-2020 03:45PM

Taoiseach making a speech at 4 alright.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1261305142311358465

joeysoap · 15-05-2020 03:49PM

One thing is obvious

Sweden doesn’t give two fcuks about older citizens.

Martina1991 · 15-05-2020 03:50PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

The national reporting includes all the tests. The leak was about local access to the outsourced testing results.

And if the local organisations don't have access to those results they can't track and trace them quickly to prevent further spread.

bilston · 15-05-2020 03:55PM

No Coronavirus deaths in the last 24 hours in Denmark. They re-opened schools about 4 weeks ago. Obviously comparing one country to another can be perilous, but it shows what is possible down the line.

DevilsHaircut · 15-05-2020 04:01PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

And if the local organisations don't have access to those results they can't track and trace them quickly to prevent further spread.

[A DHSC spokesman] said data was not “disappearing” and that “there was a recent technical error relating to postcode data, but this has now been fixed, and a fully corrected data flow was issued last week. This did not prevent public health bodies from undertaking contact tracing of those with positive results”.

He added: “There was a recent technical error relating to postcode data, but this has now been fixed, and a fully corrected data flow was issued last week. This did not prevent public health bodies from undertaking contact tracing of those with positive results.”

https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/exclusive-test-data-from-commercial-labs-going-into-black-hole/7027619.article

Amirani · 15-05-2020 04:02PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Just waiting for the Mater numbers to be confirmed they were included before and we end up then with a negative number of cases today.

This could be the case...

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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