Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Naming the hospital now will only make people less likely to attend, when we're trying to encourage the heart attacks etc. to seek treatment.

Looks like Mater pushing this back on HSE/HPSC.

''The Mater Hospital has reported all cases of Covid-19 positive results to the relevant authorities on a daily basis. At all times the Mater Hospital provided the information that the HSE required and met all legal requirements to report infectious diseases.

“All of this information is correct and up to date. We are working with the HSE to understand why the provided data may not have been accurately captured.

“The Mater Hospital has also carried out comprehensive contact tracing on every single member of staff who tested positive for Covid-19 through our occupational health department in line with best practice.”


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/mater-identified-as-hospital-which-reported-244-covid-19-cases-late-1.4254371?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

NegativeCreep wrote: »

We don’t know the circumstances so there’s really no point in talking about criminal sanctions yet. I’d like to know the facts before calling for heads to roll.

I agree. Investigation needed into the situation, but could it be a simple as someone who was reporting numbers becoming ill with covid themselves and the reporting duty not passed on, or another non human reason.
Persons have become sucidal before now so lets not make it personal as I wouldn't like to see even one more family bereaved.

Amirani wrote: »

Case management and contact tracing for staff cases is through occupational health nurses and doctors.

Case management and contact tracing for patient cases is through infectious diseases.

It was staff cases that weren't in the HPSC figures.

Good spot. Not sure why Irish Times didn't point that out. Not sure most lay people would be able to pick that nuance up.

So not working out for Germany then by the looks if things.

Czech Republic though, with closed borders and facemasks for everybody, have had under 100 cases per day, under 50 for four of those, and 20 total deaths in six days.

Where should we taking pointers from I wonder?

Ce he sin wrote: »

Yes, they're paid up members of the Let Them Die Brigade and are often to be found on the lifting restrictions thread which is something of an echo chamber for them.
My parents are in their eighties and are getting fed up with the cocooning business although they can at least leave the premises now. But there's worse. Much worse. It's the Brigade. My father heard one of them being interviewed by Pat Kenny the other day. He said "no disrespect to the older, but they're going to die anyway. Just let the rest of us get on with our lives. The vulnerable are going to die, but so be it".


My father found this attitude of contempt much worse than being in lockdown. "Do they all just want us to go away and die for them?" he asked.

Given that we currently have substantial ICU and hospital capacity, yet most nursing home residents are not brought there, who exactly is letting people die?

Also your failure to recognise that many of these people were either terminally ill or in the final weeks and months of their lives is simply head in the sand stuff.

Let them die? Of course not. Every effort should be made to keep them alive.

But let our country essentially die and put up to 1 million on the dole, while also endangering thousands of young people who could die from preventable illnesses such as cancer? We shouldn't do that either.

We need to strike a balance - protect the elderly, but salvage something of our economy and the lives of those who still have potentially long lives to live.

Its not a black and white situation, its complex. So I wouldn't expect some people to get it. They'll always respond with "you want to kill the old" or some variance of that.

We need to get the country back up and running, while maintaining social distancing, good hygiene, continue to cocoon the elderly until hopefully a vaccine comes along early next year and so on.

And the HSE needs to massively up its game when it comes to isolating those who are covid 19 infected from those who aren't, particularly the elderly.

Amirani wrote: »

It's staff cases only. Different system.

There was a jump of 2 in deaths of healthcare workers - maybe linked to the huge jump in cases yesterday?

New Home wrote:

Another experiment with masks:

Wow, again anybody with a bit of cop on would know this but that's great. I'm sharing that with everybody.

eagle eye wrote: »

Their numbers are starting to rise again.

https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/germany-reports-913-new-coronavirus-cases-another-101-deaths-in-latest-update-20200515

Increase in cases but the R rate is reported to be 0.75 so the Germans will probably continue with their approach for now.

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1261273376477327360

What changed between yesterday and today when Leo was saying he was confident phase 1 would go ahead as planned?