Masks

JDD wrote: »

Anyone know where I could get comfortable cotton masks for an eight year old, five year old and three year old? The three year old probably won't wear one, but if he sees his older siblings wearing them you never know. Preferably with some kind of Disney/kid-friendly designs on them.

Try these heads on twitter, nice crowd, fair prices, they should set you in the right direction.

riffmongous wrote: »

You're someone who has voluntarily chosen to wear a mask from the very beginning.. of course you are going to be more aware of what to do than most people. Where I live there has been a requirement to wear masks in certain places for a few weeks now and you can see loads of people wearing or using them incorrectly every time you look around. You will see this in Ireland too.

It might not be rocket science to put on a mask, but using one correctly over longer periods requires quite a bit of discipline, education and thought. The good thing is though that the virus numbers are now so low that it's less of an issue if people are careless and the masks will still be useful.

I am not more aware re masks, just had basic practice. I was food shopping first thing this morning and anyone who wore a mask, wore them correctly. No one touched their face. Like me, they've had practice..

Discipline, education and thought, lol.. it's a face mask, not a delicate piece of machinery.

I actually wonder how people get up in the morning, wash and get dressed.. a face mask is something we are not used to, but we will soon.. and wear them correctly.. and look back at these patronising times.

Again, not difficult.

riffmongous wrote: »

If you're not trained then how can you judge if other people are using them properly? Wait until everybody needs to wear masks regularly and then you'll see the fairly common routine of mask around the neck or in the pocket, pulled out with the hands and put on before going in to the shop or bus, and then back in the pocket afterwards. Or the mask not over the nose, or the ffp2/3 with a ventilator on it.

Well maybe if you weren't so naive you wouldn't need to be patronised? I've actually spent some time at the control areas for quarantine buildings and seen doctors and healthcare workers make fairly basic mistakes with their gloves and masks, that's why they have to have people there to control them. Have a look at any random google of people in PPE and you can spot mistakes fairly quickly if you know what to look for. Most of them probably didn't get enough training beyond a demo maybe and they've certainly got more on their minds by the time they are half way through a shift, that why you need discipline and thought too. But of course someone who wears a mask for 5 minutes on his way into a shop knows everything :rolleyes:

Still doesnt negate the use of masks as healthcare staff use them all the time. They should be used by the public at this time

riffmongous wrote: »

If you're not trained then how can you judge if other people are using them properly?

I've actually spent some time at the control areas for quarantine buildings and seen doctors and healthcare workers make fairly basic mistakes with their gloves and masks, that's why they have to have people there to control them.

:rolleyes:

Your raising 2 really important points: Lack of Instruction/training and buddy systems:

One can't buy a pack of biscuits without instructions on how and where to open the packet. Yet, surgical masks are being sold by pharmacies before and during this pandemic without any instructions. It's time to underline and highlight this evidence gap.

The HSE and NPHET have been using poor mask practice by the GP as a reason not to recommend mask wearing for the GP from the beginning of this Pandemic. That is not a reason, it is an excuse and it is negligence in my eyes. They both have publicly cited and recalled accounts of observations of poor practice/risk and choose to do nothing to address the poor pracrice/risks.

So basically, no instruction or education from sellers, HSE or NPHET and I'm going to throw Irish media in thier aswell seeing they have dirtied the topic so dedicately in the past few months.

When I see poor practice and risk, I address it, which brings me to my second point buddy systems.

Buddy systems work. I operate a buddy system with strangers in shops when I see poor practice. Maybe they will in turn do the same, maybe people need to be encouraged to do this for a few weeks until we settle into mask wearing.

Reserving buddy systems idiology exclusively for PPE envirornments during a pandemic is not we are all in this together mentality.

is_that_so wrote: »

Looks like you thought this was the conspiracy thread! There is no "will" but "could" and "may" are prominent.

What part of my post did you find “conspiracy”. ?
Don’t just post nonsense to clutter the thread. For reference, my sources. Let me know if you disagree with either of them. Thanks

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2009324

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html

Use face covers in busy public transport or enclosed indoor public areas such as retail outlets

Leo Vradaker just now

Will Bus Éireann be making an official statement on whether or not the wearing of face-coverings by passengers is mandatory?

There are other people on the bus, not just the driver.