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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #4532
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    lawred2 wrote: »
    oh good god - this is about toughness now is it!?

    typical alt right Trumpian immaturity. Grow up.

    Politics would have to included in this of course


  • #4533
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Onesea wrote: »
    See, your not willing to accept the facts. A tiny percentage of people die from this, and they are nearly all amoung the same group.

    Jog on

    Is circa 200,000 Europeans dying in 10 weeks a tiny amount ? Most people wouldn't consider that a tiny number at all , hence lockdown


  • #4534
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    Its hard to argue with your type of view point, you're shortsighted. You can only process what's in front of you.

    We've had two reputable examples of health services going into meltdown in Italy and USA. This happened because the virus was allowed to circulate in the population unhindered.

    We're where we are because we had hindsight on our side and took earlier intervention. It has still resulted in a death rate (that's still rising) x3 times our worst flu seasons in about 8 weeks.

    So that's treble the deaths of our worst flu season in half the time. With unprecedented restrictions put in place to stem the spread of it.

    To hold your viewpoint with the data available at all our fingertips is a staggering level of ignorance imo.

    To ignore what the data shows is ignorance.
    There was no meltdown in the USA, have you seen their local media.... People are revolting against the lockdown. With you safe safe logic we can expect millions in America to die right.

    You didnt take early intervention. Looking at the dates shows Ireland was prob paddy last to lockdown right after Cheltenham of course.

    Back to the point, what do the stats of the dead show us?


  • #4535
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    ek motor wrote: »
    Face up to the reality of what is happening. We are going to be living with some level of restriction to our lives for a long time.

    Is that the new normal mantra?


  • #4536
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Is circa 200,000 Europeans dying in 10 weeks a tiny amount ? Most people wouldn't consider that a tiny number at all , hence lockdown

    Where is the panic? Are these figures seperate or mixed with the normal death rate.
    200k is alot of people, the EU has a population of over 740,000,000,Russia represents 145million included in that. Over a ten week period this doesn't seem like anything odd.


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  • #4537
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,983 ✭✭✭growleaves


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Is circa 200,000 Europeans dying in 10 weeks a tiny amount ? Most people wouldn't consider that a tiny number at all , hence lockdown

    5.1 million Europeans died in 2016. That's 425,000 (on average) every month absent any special circumstances.

    It is admitted that some (not all) covid patients were end-of-life or not too far removed from it so many would have slotted into that 425k per month.

    There may be increased mortality for this year compared to recent years but if you control for population growth and do a chart that looks at mortality over decades, 2020 would not be the worst year. There were some flashpoint years for deaths in the 1950s and 1960s.


  • #4538
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Onesea wrote: »
    Is that the new normal mantra?

    Whinging about restrictions makes no odds. You will have to get used to it.


  • #4539
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    growleaves wrote: »
    5.1 million Europeans died in 2016. That's 425,000 every month absent any special circumstances.

    It is admitted that some (not all) covid patients were end-of-life or not too far removed from it so many would have slotted into that 425k per month.

    There may be increased mortality for this year compared to recent years but if you control for population growth and do a chart that looks at mortality over decades, 2020 would not be the worst year. There were some flashpoint years for deaths in the 1950s and 1960s.

    200,000 out of /in addition to approximately 1 million deaths in a 10 week period is an astonishingly large increase in death rate from one single cause. It is by far the leading single cause of death in the EU for two months now, and that is somehow not remarkable


  • #4540
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    ek motor wrote: »
    Whinging about restrictions makes no odds. You will have to get used to it.

    No restrictions for me, thanks god


  • #4541
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Nermal wrote: »
    Why would I join a Facebook group full of hypochondriac cranks?



    What's there to explain?

    https://twitter.com/hector_drummond/status/1260670207967875072

    How do you know they are all hypochondriacs?

    How much medical studies have you carried out on viral illnesses and the effects on peoples bodies?


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  • #4542
    Ce he sin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Ce he sin


    John.Icy wrote: »
    Jaysus imagine being the parent of someone who thinks your are so utterly disposable and worthless because you're old. Must be sickening to hear your child go on like some on here do.


    Yes, they're paid up members of the Let Them Die Brigade and are often to be found on the lifting restrictions thread which is something of an echo chamber for them.
    My parents are in their eighties and are getting fed up with the cocooning business although they can at least leave the premises now. But there's worse. Much worse. It's the Brigade. My father heard one of them being interviewed by Pat Kenny the other day. He said "no disrespect to the older, but they're going to die anyway. Just let the rest of us get on with our lives. The vulnerable are going to die, but so be it".


    My father found this attitude of contempt much worse than being in lockdown. "Do they all just want us to go away and die for them?" he asked.


  • #4543
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,843 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Onesea wrote: »
    No restrictions for me, thanks god

    God would have to be included in this of course


  • #4544
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,983 ✭✭✭growleaves


    200,000 out of /in addition to approximately 1 million deaths in a 10 week period is an astonishingly large increase in death rate from one single cause. It is by far the leading single cause of death in the EU for two months now, and that is somehow not remarkable

    Lol I didn't say it was not remarkable

    If deaths level off soon and there is no deadly second wave killing millions, it is remarkable but less deadly than pandemics like 1957 and '68-69 though possibly worse than Swine Flu but not necessarily. Worse than Bejing flu (1997) definitely.

    The hype merchants said 'One of the worst pandemics in history'. We know what to get these people for Christmas: some history books.


  • #4545
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Onesea wrote: »
    No restrictions for me, thanks god

    How do you figure that ?


  • #4546
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Onesea wrote: »
    To ignore what the data shows is ignorance.
    There was no meltdown in the USA, have you seen their local media.... People are revolting against the lockdown. With you safe safe logic we can expect millions in America to die right.

    NYC was in meltdown, or do YOU not watch the news? Or would that be FAKE news to you?

    Yes the hillbillies marching on government buildings with their AKs have it right.

    Same idiots who march to ban abortions and protect their right to bear arms all in the name of "saving lives". But staying home a few weeks or wearing a mask in public to save lives is a no go...


  • #4547
    Ce he sin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Ce he sin


    Onesea wrote: »
    No restrictions for me, thanks god
    Good for you! So when you're going into the local Aldi or whatever you're not queuing up with the lower orders, but pushing your way to the front and then getting as close to others as you can? You're making a point of picking things up and putting them back aren't you? If not, maybe you should grow a pair and start behaving like that.. Remember, restrictions are not for you.


  • #4548
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    wakka12 wrote: »
    200,000 out of /in addition to approximately 1 million deaths in a 10 week period is an astonishingly large increase in death rate from one single cause. It is by far the leading single cause of death in the EU for two months now, and that is somehow not remarkable

    It isn't an astonishing amount when you factor in his figures were from 2016 - 1.2 million over a 2.5month period based of 2016 pop.

    425k x 2.5 =1.06 million.
    Put in your pop growth rate of. 07%

    That doesn't pain a picture of a doom pandemic.

    If we considered life this precious why is there so much war on earth.. 1 million Iraq dead, all quiet on the yemini war front etc.


  • #4549
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    NYC was in meltdown, or do YOU not watch the news? Or would that be FAKE news to you?

    Yes the hillbillies marching on government buildings with their AKs have it right.

    Same idiots who march to ban abortions and protect their right to bear arms all in the name of "saving lives". But staying home a few weeks or wearing a mask in public to save lives is a no go...

    The hillbillys in California? post a link depicting the meltdown in nyc


  • #4550
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    wakka12 wrote: »
    200,000 out of /in addition to approximately 1 million deaths in a 10 week period is an astonishingly large increase in death rate from one single cause. It is by far the leading single cause of death in the EU for two months now, and that is somehow not remarkable

    Some experts have said that 2/3rds of those who died from covid 19 would have died this year anyways. Its unfortunate but covid 19 is taking a year or two off some older people's lives. This is what is accounting for the increase in deaths.

    Most who die from covid 19 were already very old and very sick such as those in nursing homes. Does that make it ok? Of course not. We need to do a better job at protecting them, something the government and HSE have failed to do.

    Personally I can foresee massive issues when hospitals go back to normal service. If they start mixing covid and non covid patients on the same wards or even in the same hospitals where you have crossover of medical and non medical staff between wards as well as general areas - eg porters, cleaners, canteens, doctors, nurses, toilets, etc then hospitals will become the new frontline. And it will actually lead to a very predictable negative scenario. We've already seen some needless deaths in hospitals because of mixing of covid and non covid patients.

    Which is why they need to start looking at a covid only hospital where these patients are isolated from other very vulnerable and sick patients.


  • #4551
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ce he sin wrote: »
    Yes, they're paid up members of the Let Them Die Brigade and are often to be found on the lifting restrictions thread which is something of an echo chamber for them.
    My parents are in their eighties and are getting fed up with the cocooning business although they can at least leave the premises now. But there's worse. Much worse. It's the Brigade. My father heard one of them being interviewed by Pat Kenny the other day. He said "no disrespect to the older, but they're going to die anyway. Just let the rest of us get on with our lives. The vulnerable are going to die, but so be it".


    My father found this attitude of contempt much worse than being in lockdown. "Do they all just want us to go away and die for them?" he asked.

    The attitude your talking about can be seen with other topics and unfortunately there is no cure or vaccine for being a c^nt.


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  • #4552
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,983 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Yes the hillbillies marching on government buildings with their AKs have it right.

    Protests against lockdown happened in California, Michigan, Maine, Paris, Stuttgart, Munich and Berlin.


  • #4553
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Onesea wrote: »
    The hillbillys in California? post a link depicting the meltdown in nyc

    Why bother you'll just ignore it like anything else provided to your questions


  • #4554
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,089 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Onesea wrote: »
    The hillbillys in California? post a link depicting the meltdown in nyc

    "New York City Deploys 45 Mobile Morgues as Virus Strains Funeral Homes"


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-bodies.html


  • #4555
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    john4321 wrote: »
    "New York City Deploys 45 Mobile Morgues as Virus Strains Funeral Homes"


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-bodies.html

    Have you read the article and looked at the numbers?


  • #4556
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Onesea wrote: »
    Have you read the article and looked at the numbers?

    Right on cue


  • #4557
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Right on queue

    This chap is taking the piss


  • #4558
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    growleaves wrote: »
    Protests against lockdown happened in California, Michigan, Maine, Paris, Stuttgart, Munich and Berlin.

    We were talking about the good old US of A. Regardless of location, they're all idiots imo.


  • #4559
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,617 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    The US will just Herd immunity this until they have millions dead or a vaccine comes along


  • #4560
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,983 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Spanish Flu (1918-19) - 58 million
    HIV/AIDs (1920-2020) - 32 million
    Bubonic Plague (1908) - 12 million
    Asian Flu (1957-58) - 2 million
    Encephalitis lethargica (1915-1926) - 1.5 million
    Hong Kong Flu (1968-69) - 1 million
    Influenza (annual) - 200k-650k per year
    Swine flu - 525k


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  • #4561
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    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    u2LQiwX.png

    That "Stay sane everyone" signature under a post documenting the most lethal pandemics in recent memory had put into a fit of the giggles.. Gold.


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