Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

growleaves · 15-05-2020 10:30AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ethiopia and Belgium are directly comparable.

Like I said the other day, once you admit that secondary factors are more significant than the lockdown you are admitting that lockdown is not the most signifcant factor is preventing deaths.

If population density and distribution, environmental, geographical, cultural factors are what determine cases and deaths then the claim every country will be 'like Italy' is shown up for the farce it always was.

tobefrank321 · 15-05-2020 10:32AM

Covid and non Covid patients sharing the same ward or even the same hospital is going to lead to disaster if they keep it up.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/if-daddy-hadnt-got-covid-19-in-there-hed-have-lived-39208414.html

They really need to look at converting one to a covid only hospital.

Nermal · 15-05-2020 10:32AM

seamus wrote: »

This is a PERFECT example of manipulating figures to make them look smaller than they really are.

The graph is not manipulated in any way. It shows the figures in their proper context.

Quoting absolute figures removes them from that context. A lot of people live in the UK, and a lot of people die in the UK. People have difficulty grasping this scale.

15-05-2020 10:33AM

Nermal wrote: »

Why would I join a Facebook group full of hypochondriac cranks?

What's there to explain?

https://twitter.com/hector_drummond/status/1260670207967875072

Nice pretty chart with scale designed to show the minimum impact possible. But when you look at the data it represents a 15% increase in all cause deaths during flu season when compared to the mean of the last 9 years, with an outbreak that only began in the last two months of the flu season. And 8% increase compared to the worst of the previous 9 years

gabeeg · 15-05-2020 10:35AM

Onesea wrote: »

Wait for it.. They Wil dispute this

Of course we will. It's insanely stupid to compare mortality rates by year when it's only ****ing May.

PokeHerKing · 15-05-2020 10:36AM

Onesea wrote: »

Your pointing out a natural reaction. That has nothing to do with a situation being blown out of proportion.
Go and have a look at the post above.. There is no need to panic

No, I'm simply pointing out that your father's or your own ignorance to the situation doesn't negate the very real severity of it.

froog · 15-05-2020 10:37AM

maccy d's drive thrus opening next week and start of june. can you imagine the car queues??

is_that_so · 15-05-2020 10:38AM

Seems the original Trump wonder cure has fallen by the wayside.

Treating Covid-19 patients with the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) had no positive effect and caused other health complications, two new studies have shown.

stephenjmcd · 15-05-2020 10:39AM

HSE hosptial report released this morning.

As of 8pm last night there were 59 confirmed covid cases in ICU.

Likewise as of 8pm there were 419 confirmed cases in acute hospitals, that number 24hr previously was 449.

Onesea · 15-05-2020 10:39AM

Didn't Italy loose 25k people to the flu in one winter season maybe three years ago.

PokeHerKing · 15-05-2020 10:41AM

Onesea wrote: »

Didn't Italy loose 25k people to the flu in one winter season maybe three years ago.

Could have, maybe they weren't screwed in tight enough?

15-05-2020 10:49AM

growleaves wrote: »

Like I said the other day, once you admit that secondary factors are more significant than the lockdown you are admitting that lockdown is not the most signifcant factor is preventing deaths.

If population density and distribution, environmental, geographical, cultural factors are what determine cases and deaths then the claim every country will be 'like Italy' is shown up for the farce it always was.

To start with, life expectancy in Belgium is 16 years more than Ethiopia. On top of that testing and reporting in Ethiopia is not what i'd imagine it is in Belgium either. And maybe the fact that much of the country is at altitude resulting in the famous endurance ability of Ethiopian athletes gives their lungs a natural advantage in oxygen absorption, which is crucial in severe cases of Covid-19. Travel to and from the country low population density, low obesity rate, I could go on and on with reasons that the countries are not comparable before even touching cultural differences, social distancing, and lockdown

growleaves · 15-05-2020 10:55AM

Deleted User wrote: »

To start with, life expectancy in Belgium is 16 years more than Ethiopia. On top of that testing and reporting in Ethiopia is not what i'd imagine it is in Belgium either. And maybe the fact that much of the country is at altitude resulting in the famous endurance ability of Ethiopian athletes gives their lungs a natural advantage in oxygen absorption, which is crucial in severe cases of Covid-19. Travel to and from the country low population density, low obesity rate, I could go on and on with reasons that the countries are not comparable before even touching cultural differences, social distancing, and lockdown

Lol

All of the countries in the world which did and did not have lockdowns can be compared to try to gauge the efficacy of lockdown. (With some kind of reasonable attempt to standardise reporting criteria.)

As soon as Sweden's deaths were only in the thousands, we were hearing that they had a different culture, a different pop distribution etc.

If we are now admitting (which no one would admit in mid-March) that each country has a unique set of circumstances which differentiates it from other countries, then why do they all need the same extreme and heavy-handed response (which causes immense and undeniable damage to health and wealth)?

Answer: we don't

15-05-2020 10:55AM

Nermal wrote: »

The graph is not manipulated in any way. It shows the figures in their proper context.

Quoting absolute figures removes them from that context. A lot of people live in the UK, and a lot of people die in the UK. People have difficulty grasping this scale.

A 15% increase over 5 months caused by a pandemic hitting in March. Context is everything.

Onesea · 15-05-2020 10:56AM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

No, I'm simply pointing out that your father's or your own ignorance to the situation doesn't negate the very real severity of it.

How many people died in Ireland over the past 8 weeks, how many had covid, how old were they, did they have other illnesses, did they live in old folks homes.

When you get past the drama of it all you will see stats that show a country that will be cripled financially for no worthy reason.
We got to the point of debating quality of life of old people ffs.
And then there is the questionable effect of the lockdown.

Anyway people are wide to it now.

lawred2 · 15-05-2020 10:57AM

Onesea wrote: »

How many people died in Ireland over the past 8 weeks, how many had covid, how old were they, did they have other illnesses, did they live in old folks homes.

When you get past the drama of it all you will see stats that show a country that will be gripled financially for no worthy reason.
We got to the point of debating quality of life of old people ffs.
And then there is the questionable effect of the lockdown.

Anyway people are wide to it now.

well let's hope you never get old eh!?

seamus · 15-05-2020 10:58AM

Nermal wrote: »

The graph is not manipulated in any way. It shows the figures in their proper context.

Quoting absolute figures removes them from that context. A lot of people live in the UK, and a lot of people die in the UK. People have difficulty grasping this scale.

Of course it's manipulated. It's presented as, "Here are two kind of small numbers, look, there's not much between them".

Here's the exact same data, manipulated in a different way;

Of course, go ahead, tell me how "tHeRes notHiNg DifFeRenT ABout tHIS YeaR"

silverharp · 15-05-2020 11:01AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Seems the original Trump wonder cure has fallen by the wayside.

It depends how the study was done?, it clearly doesnt help if you are already in ICU, its too late. but the 2 areas where it might help is either preventative or at the first onset of symptoms and if its combined with Zinc

15-05-2020 11:03AM

Onesea wrote: »

How many people died in Ireland over the past 8 weeks, how many had covid, how old were they, did they have other illnesses, did they live in old folks homes.

When you get past the drama of it all you will see stats that show a country that will be cripled financially for no worthy reason.
We got to the point of debating quality of life of old people ffs.
And then there is the questionable effect of the lockdown.

Anyway people are wide to it now.

Back ignoring the evidence provided to your questions I see, still waiting on answers from you to the following questions based on your statements that the figures are being ridiculed and supporting Delores

Originally Posted by Onesea
The predictions not going anywhere near what they expected. The models used to create these graphs is being ridiculed.. It honestly fells like most users here don't have access to the internet except this website

Who exactly is ridiculing the data, and do they believe that they aren't based on no restrictions being put in place?

Is it this Q group you were harping on about earlier?

Has your expert been infected with covid19 and recovered as certified by a medical doctor and what steps are they going to take to be infected if not and then prove that they can't be reinfected?

Onesea · 15-05-2020 11:04AM

lawred2 wrote: »

well let's hope you never get old eh!?

What type of weak attitude is this? So weak

lawred2 · 15-05-2020 11:05AM

Onesea wrote: »

What type of weak attitude is this? So weak

oh good god - this is about toughness now is it!?

typical alt right Trumpian immaturity. Grow up.

Onesea · 15-05-2020 11:07AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Back ignoring the evidence provided to your questions I see, still waiting on answers from you to the following questions based on your statements that the figures are being ridiculed and supporting Delores

Originally Posted by Onesea
The predictions not going anywhere near what they expected. The models used to create these graphs is being ridiculed.. It honestly fells like most users here don't have access to the internet except this website

Who exactly is ridiculing the data, and do they believe that they aren't based on no restrictions being put in place?

Is it this Q group you were harping on about earlier?

Has your expert been infected with covid19 and recovered as certified by a medical doctor and what steps are they going to take to be infected if not and then prove that they can't be reinfected?

See, your not willing to accept the facts. A tiny percentage of people die from this, and they are nearly all amoung the same group.

Jog on

Whirlaway · 15-05-2020 11:07AM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

Can you go to the post collection office if it's 12 km away? The stuff I ordered to work is now prolly stuck at the post office because the whole place is shut.

I did this too. Was an attempted delivery made today? I rang the helpdesk and a very helpful guy there went through changing the delivery address to my home. Arrived around 3 days later (would've been next day, but it was the bank holiday).

ek motor · 15-05-2020 11:08AM

Onesea wrote: »

What type of weak attitude is this? So weak

Face up to the reality of what is happening. We are going to be living with some level of restriction to our lives for a long time.

wakka12 · 15-05-2020 11:11AM

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-virus-could-be-wiped-out-in-london-in-weeks-as-rate-of-infection-is-slowing-say-researchers-11988579
More over zealous immunity estimates. Government thinks 25% of Brits may have had the virus, how could they possibly think its that high given its 5% in Spain, 3% in Netherlands and 15% in New York State?

John.Icy · 15-05-2020 11:13AM

Jaysus imagine being the parent of someone who thinks your are so utterly disposable and worthless because you're old. Must be sickening to hear your child go on like some on here do.

Skyfloater · 15-05-2020 11:13AM

Of course, go ahead, tell me how "tHeRes notHiNg DifFeRenT ABout tHIS YeaR"

Could you please stop doing this, it's very annoying.

15-05-2020 11:14AM

Onesea wrote: »

See, your not willing to accept the facts. A tiny percentage of people die from this, and they are nearly all amoung the same group.

Jog on

So no answers or evidence to back up your posts at all and just a weak limp deflection attempt, didn't think you would be able to answer, bit hard when it doesn't exist outside conspiracy theory sites.

PokeHerKing · 15-05-2020 11:14AM

Onesea wrote: »

How many people died in Ireland over the past 8 weeks, how many had covid, how old were they, did they have other illnesses, did they live in old folks homes.

When you get past the drama of it all you will see stats that show a country that will be cripled financially for no worthy reason.
We got to the point of debating quality of life of old people ffs.
And then there is the questionable effect of the lockdown.

Anyway people are wide to it now.

Its hard to argue with your type of view point, you're shortsighted. You can only process what's in front of you.

We've had two reputable examples of health services going into meltdown in Italy and USA. This happened because the virus was allowed to circulate in the population unhindered.

We're where we are because we had hindsight on our side and took earlier intervention. It has still resulted in a death rate (that's still rising) x3 times our worst flu seasons in about 8 weeks.

So that's treble the deaths of our worst flu season in half the time. With unprecedented restrictions put in place to stem the spread of it.

To hold your viewpoint with the data available at all our fingertips is a staggering level of ignorance imo.

Nermal · 15-05-2020 11:15AM

seamus wrote: »

Of course it's manipulated. It's presented as, "Here are two kind of small numbers, look, there's not much between them".

Here's the exact same data, manipulated in a different way

Very tiresome.

Manipulated meaning "control or influence (a person or situation) cleverly or unscrupulously" - neither chart is manipulated.

Manipulated meaning "handle or control (a tool, mechanism, information, etc.) in a skilful manner" - both charts are manipulated.

I repeat that quoting absolute values devoid of context is manipulation of the first kind.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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