Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Redgirl82 · 15-05-2020 08:50AM

Deleted User wrote: »

30 years paying for a corporation house??the state still owns it?

(You understand that the phrase "free house" is a misnomer,right?)

Mate,we have thousands if kids in homelessness now,kinda personally think thats a wee bit more important than wheter corporartion houses have under-floor heating

Let the top of line houses to the private sector (and more power to anyone,who wishes to buy them)

As I said baffling....you build low quality social housing and then spend a fortune paying to heat them because the tenant can't heat then. Genius plan.

Runaways · 15-05-2020 08:50AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Whats point in reposessing houses,if you have nowhere to rehouse the people??

Like,your going from person costing state zero to house to likely 12K approx a year?

This one is taking the Mickey at this point searching furiously for the ignore button right now

15-05-2020 08:51AM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

The rate of repossession is tiny. The amount of people with mortgages is high

Why should everyone pay for a few. We already have social housing available for these people. If you reduce the mortgage rate, increase affordable housing then you have a proper market.

Do you disagree?

We dont have social housing,theres more homeless than anytime since the famine??

Affordable housing,simply isnt there at the min,theres also larger questions to be had/answered about why issues,such as housing need to be in a market....its a falsehood that has bankrupted the state already once in my lifetime,

Bishop of hope · 15-05-2020 08:53AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We need more housing built,including 1 and 2 bedroom units

I know of places,where families have been reared and moved out,parents left in 3/4 bedroom houses.....all the while we have others raising kids out of hotel rooms

Theres no sense to this,

nor is there any sense to building top-of-line A2 rated houses for corporation houses either.....if someone wants to live in luxery,let them buy their own,simple,modest houses is whats needed

(Love the username btw )

Tnx.
But they won't except simple modest houses.
There's a three bed council house up the road from me, detached on its own site, rural, idle for two years. They've been unable to find a Tennant who will accept it since the previous owners have now passed away. It was built in the eighties. Grand little modest cottage.

15-05-2020 08:54AM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

As I said baffling....you build low quality social housing and then spend a fortune paying to heat them because the tenant can't heat then. Genius plan.

The house at home is roughly B3 rated,last winter it cost my folks a total of 450 euro to heat it

Like your berating people for suggesting under-floor heating isnt needed in council houses,

while demanding others be evicted,(into what will likely be higher standrd accomandation,if you get your way?)

15-05-2020 08:56AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Tnx.
But they won't except simple modest houses.
There's a three bed council house up the road from me, detached on its own site, rural, idle for two years. They've been unable to find a Tennant who will accept it since the previous owners have now passed away. It was built in the eighties. Grand little modest cottage.

Tbh this also needs to stop and people grab a hold of emselves

Their getting houses at well below usual rate,id be ashamed to bring up a kid in a hotel room,and pass up a modest house (if i was on housing list)

Redgirl82 · 15-05-2020 09:01AM

Runaways wrote: »

This one is taking the Mickey at this point searching furiously for the ignore button right now

If you can't find the ignore button then no help for you at all

But I am sure we are all grateful that you told us that.

Redgirl82 · 15-05-2020 09:02AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The house at home is roughly B3 rated,last winter it cost my folks a total of 450 euro to heat it

Like your berating people for suggesting under-floor heating isnt needed in council houses,

while demanding others be evicted,(into what will likely be higher standrd accomandation,if you get your way?)

When did I mention under-floor heating?

Berate? ahh poor baby. Not my fault you post stupid ideas.

Redgirl82 · 15-05-2020 09:04AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As somebody said about a priest one time - he is all gate and no garden.

On rent arrears all redgirl's solution would achieve is a reduced take on 33 million owed and more people homeless. Same on mortgages.

Ahh your back, another busy day?

Maybe read my posts. Come back to me then.

atticu · 15-05-2020 09:05AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Mate,we have thousands if kids in homelessness now,kinda personally think thats a wee bit more important than wheter corporartion houses have under-floor heating

Let the top of line houses to the private sector (and more power to anyone,who wishes to buy them)

Why are homeless people having children if they are homeless?

Don’t you think it would be better for them to get themselves into steady employment and into suitable accommodation before having children?

Unless you think that the situation they have got themselves into is somehow someone else’s fault.

15-05-2020 09:05AM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

When did I mention under-floor heating?

Berate? ahh poor baby. Not my fault you post stupid ideas.

You do know,what A2 energy rating amounts too??.....ive mates who have built houses to this spec in last year or 2

Its nice and all,but imo,there no need to build corporation houses to that spec,

Basic,modest houses is all anyone wants/asks for

FrancieBrady · 15-05-2020 09:06AM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Ahh your back, another busy day?

Maybe read my posts. Come back to me then.

I did. All your 'solutions' will achieve is a reduced take in rent and more people without homes.

15-05-2020 09:08AM

atticu wrote: »

Why are homeless people having children if they are homeless?

Don’t you think it would be better for them to get themselves into steady employment and into suitable accommodation before having children?

Unless you think that the situation they have got themselves into is somehow someone else’s fault.

I know people,who.have had kids and lost their homes (including one,who is in a violent relationship,but cant registar for homelessness help)

Peoples circumstances change,??

Never said it was anyones fault,but jesus standing about giving out to people,while expecting them to raise kids out of hotel rooms,seems a waste of time to me anyway

Redgirl82 · 15-05-2020 09:09AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You do know,what A2 energy rating amounts too??.....ive mates who have built houses to this spec in last year or 2

Its nice and all,but imo,there no need to build corporation houses to that spec,

Basic,modest houses is all anyone wants/asks for

Yes, sure you have mates who built houses. I have a son who is 16. He posts exactly the same as you.

You don't seem to understand the maths. Building lower cost houses cost more over the life of the house. Plus at the moment we have a CO2 problem, lower quality housing will just increase CO2. Also the government are pushing everyone to build high rated houses, would look stupid if they go and build low quality.

THe investment now in higher quality house will mean reduced costs in the future, makes perfect sense.

Redgirl82 · 15-05-2020 09:11AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I did. All your 'solutions' will achieve is a reduced take in rent and more people without homes.

Off we go again. Another day of pages of post from Francie with no information. Maybe let the adults have a discussion and read, you might learn something. Then add something to the conversation, not push up your post count?

Are you been paid to post or something? I heard of online Sinn Fein team, are you one? is that allowed here?

15-05-2020 09:13AM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Yes, sure you have mates who built houses. I have a son who is 16. He posts exactly the same as you.

You don't seem to understand the maths. Building lower cost houses cost more over the life of the house. Plus at the moment we have a CO2 problem, lower quality housing will just increase CO2. Also the government are pushing everyone to build high rated houses, would look stupid if they go and build low quality.

THe investment now in higher quality house will mean reduced costs in the future, makes perfect sense.

Im well past 16,kid....looking at building myself in 2-3 years,(well past hearing about heat recoveries etc )

Im not at fault for you not being aware of what A2 spec amounts to and demanding council houses be built to it

They arent building any of these higher spec housing though??,

the world likely has never been better in last 200 years for CO2 with this lockdown......lads thinking putting underfloor heating into council housrs is gonna save the planet are pure and utter deluded

FrancieBrady · 15-05-2020 09:17AM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Off we go again. Another day of pages of post from Francie with no information. Maybe let the adults have a discussion and read, you might learn something. Then add something to the conversation, not push up your post count?

Are you been paid to post or something? I heard of online Sinn Fein team, are you one? is that allowed here?

I responded to all your questions. I posted an answer to your solution to 'rent arrears', you ignored it, like you ignored my listing of SF's achievements...you pretended that because you couldn't find them on google that they never happened.
Then you dare to pretend you have an 'adult' approach to debate. You have set yourself up as some kind of mod for the thread and are beginning to annoy other posters as well.
If you could stop the invective and amateur modding and address points by refuting their content, that would be good.

overkill602 · 15-05-2020 09:17AM

for SOME the homeless thing is a game, it not really there fault the system allows, a hotel for 3 year throw in a sprog or 2 maybe a good photo op, bingo...
location and spec sorted as good as some clown who works and pays a mortgage could even be neighbours.
Its socialism got to love it..

FrancieBrady · 15-05-2020 09:21AM

overkill602 wrote: »

for SOME the homeless thing is a game, it not really there fault the system allows, a hotel for 3 year throw in a sprog or 2 maybe a good photo op, bingo...
location and spec sorted as good as some clown who works and pays a mortgage could even be neighbours.
Its socialism got to love it..

I agree there are some who abuse the system, all systems are abused.
Solving those abuses will go some way to solving the overall issues but won't come near doing that on their own.
It's far too easy to start targeting sections and coming the dictator.

mattser · 15-05-2020 09:21AM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Off we go again. Another day of pages of post from Francie with no information. Maybe let the adults have a discussion and read, you might learn something. Then add something to the conversation, not push up your post count?

Are you been paid to post or something? I heard of online Sinn Fein team, are you one? is that allowed here?

Nice to see someone looking past their veneer. Fact is they have achieved nothing , as you rightly say. And they're spooked by the thoughts of responsibility.
Wasting your time.

15-05-2020 09:25AM

mattser wrote: »

Nice to see someone looking past their veneer. Fact is they have achieved nothing , as you rightly say. And they're spooked by the thoughts of responsibility.
Wasting your time.

Personally i think,this hurlers on the ditch critism,is no, longer valid,since FFG have blocked them from government

(As is 100% their right to refuse to go in with them,but its pure hyprocrisy to cry hurler on ditch at em too imo)

FrancieBrady · 15-05-2020 09:29AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Personally i think,this hurlers on the ditch critism,is no, longer valid,since FFG have blocked them from government

(As is 100% their right to refuse to go in with them,but its pure hyprocrisy to cry hurler on ditch at em too imo)

FG will 'relish' going into opposition for 5 years as if it is something noble...and it is, but when it comes to SF in opposition, they are 'hurlers on the ditch'.
I think their performance in fulfilling the role of 'opposition' here is another huge achievement. The work done on calling the previous government and arms of the state to account by SF and others in Committee has been exceptional.
'Opposition' is a vital function in any democracy.

15-05-2020 09:31AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

FG will 'relish' going into opposition for 5 years as if it is something noble...and it is, but when it comes to SF in opposition, they are 'hurlers on the ditch'.
I think their performance in fulfilling the role of 'opposition' here is another huge achievement. The work done on calling the previous government and arms of the state to account by SF and others in Committee has been exceptional.
'Opposition' is a vital function in any democracy.

Though it has enabled ffg to label homelessness/housing issues a partisan/ party political issue,

which is wrong too and afaik only country in world,where this is the case....

Its time to step up as FFG will just leave it fester for another 5 years and do fcuk all to sort it.....homeless figures trebeled in last 5 years,if they trebele again,it will be a near insurmontable problem

Mortelaro · 15-05-2020 09:51AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Its time to step up as FFG will just leave it fester for another 5 years and do fcuk all to sort it.....homeless figures trebeled in last 5 years,if they trebele again,it will be a near insurmontable problem

They're worse in the north though,in an area where SF *could* do something and didn't
The reality is SF rode a wave of protest votes at the last election and blew it,mainly because the non protest vote still out weighed the protest vote
They now have to wait 5 years if government talks conclude successfully
If that government doesn't tackle the protest issues it will be stupid
SF will want to hope they are

blanch152 · 15-05-2020 10:08AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

like you ignored my listing of SF's achievements...you pretended that because you couldn't find them on google that they never happened.
.

The poster is correct, they didn't happen, or other people were responsible.

Westminister improved women's rights.
Westminister brought in SSM.
There is no standalone Irish language act.
They brought down Stormont for three years for nothing, while nurses didn't get their pay increase.
The FG government negotiated for Ireland on Brexit.

Nothing on that list was an achievement of Sinn Fein.

markodaly · 15-05-2020 10:15AM

Deleted User wrote: »

This has what to do with a housing crisis.....facts stand,when we were on our knees as a country we could build social housing and clear tenaments

It was cheaper and easier to build two up two down houses on cheap land very much closer to the city centre. Good luck getting that type of housing built now a days.

Building houses is not the same as it was 60 years ago, and my point was people like yourself harking back to some "golden age' where problems were fixed by easy slogans.

markodaly · 15-05-2020 10:21AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I didn't mention the 'big ticket' items because they more or less function like they do here.

You didn't mention them because the stats are horrible.

The North does worse in all facets when it comes to the big-ticket items.

Education is worse than the south, the economy is in a hole, health is arguably in a worse crisis than the south and unemployment were always higher than in the south..... and to top it all off, the entire region is addicted to money from London as if they are a heroin dealer.

The region cannot sustain itself, London won't keep bailing it out forever and we in the South are not going to be too happy footing the bill anytime soon.
But yea, SF sorted out the flag issue.

But there is a finite limit on what anyone can do in the north as it is still a failed entity as a result of partition.

The ultimate get-out clause, its always someone elses fault.

15-05-2020 10:25AM

markodaly wrote: »

It was cheaper and easier to build two up two down houses on cheap land very much closer to the city centre. Good luck getting that type of housing built now a days.

Building houses is not the same as it was 60 years ago, and my point was people like yourself harking back to some "golden age' where problems were fixed by easy slogans.

Has house building somehow become more difficult,get on with it imo

Its been let fester with too long

markodaly · 15-05-2020 10:25AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I did. All your 'solutions' will achieve is a reduced take in rent and more people without homes.

One solution. Increase the LPT and use this money to fund Social housing.
Is that something you would agree with Francie?

markodaly · 15-05-2020 10:29AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Has house building somehow become more difficult,get on with it imo

In a word yes.

Land is more expensive
Way more regulations and environmental considerations to go through
Planning permissions is a minefield
We dont tax existing homeowners the rates we used to back then.
EU Competition law also has something to say about all this
All new houses, by law now need to be A2 minium. That does not come cheap.

Nevermind that we have much more immigration today and the need for higher density, which pisses off existing home owners.

It's like saying a car build in 2020 is the same as the car built-in 1960. Sure its a chassis, an enginee and 4 four wheels, but we all know that cars today are a hell of a lot smarter and safer than those cars built 60 years ago. Chalk and cheese.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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