Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

I guess it will show up in the county split in two days time. If they don't announce it beforehand or forgo the county split to hide it.

F'#';as'#d;, this cluster**** of a response to COVID-19, gets progressively worse, and watching HSE and Ministers on TV excuse themselves and attempting to shift the blame is doing my head in.

Those old enough to have seen the film 'Rorke's Drift' will remember the quartermaster-sergeant who wanted to retain control in his chain of command and tick all the boxes before issuing ammunition, and will recognise his descendants at work throughout Irish Government service.

We keep hearing 'we committed €xM', 'we have increased the numbers doing it by y00s', what we don't hear is we solved the problem.

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that was in the context of one sector opening before another, rather than removing a restriction for one person and not another simply based on where they live. That won’t fly and will risk creating revolt and less adherence in general.

The gardeners are threatening revolt!

bekker wrote: »

F'#';as'#d;, this cluster**** of a response to COVID-19, gets progressively worse, and watching HSE and Ministers on TV excuse themselves and attempting to shift the blame is doing my head in.



We keep hearing 'we committed €xM', 'we have increased the numbers doing it by y00s', what we don't hear is we solved the problem.

The problem, as in Covid-19? How on earth do you expect ministers or the HSE to solve that particular issue? They did manage a hell of a job in getting the curve flattened and the case numbers to a substantially lower level, while avoiding the hospitals being swamped.

Deleted User wrote: »

If a business is deemed acceptable to open, access to those businesses cannot be based on where you live. Support for the necessary restrictions is based on the understanding that we are are all in this together. If you develop a situation where there are differences purely based on where you live the consent of the people to the measures will slip and we could lose a lot of the gains we have

Ok Here is how I read it.
The 2KM limit (recently raised to 5Km) only ever applied to the distance you could travel for Exercise - nothing else. This has not changed.If you wanted to go to the shops for food or medicine etc., you could go as far as you liked.
If they are allowing non essential retail outlets to open on 18th May then, according to the current rules, you cannot visit them because they are not essential and you are not going to visit them for exercise purposes, even if the shop is right beside you house.
This is clearly nonsense as it always was. Off Licences and recycling centres remained opened throughout the lockdown yet visiting neither was considered essential in the guidelines.
Obviously they have to get rid of the rules that you can only leave your house for essential reasons or for exercise if they are allowing non essential retail outlets to open.
Ikea say they will open on 18th


https://www.thejournal.ie/ikea-reopening-dublin-covid-19-5098638-May2020/

MOR316 wrote: »

Why is it important?

Not gonna stop people in the area going to it or being brought to it. Nothing will change

Its important because maybe the hospital will do it again. Perhaps a new management team is needed.

Plus it's illegal not to report these details.

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The problem, as in Covid-19? How on earth do you expect ministers or the HSE to solve that particular issue? They did manage a hell of a job in getting the curve flattened and the case numbers to a substantially lower level, while avoiding the hospitals being swamped.

Not COID-19 per se, referring to many separate instances of failure. On their own admission flattened curve due to voluntary cooperation by mass of population with WHO recommended restrictions.

Random, off top of head in no particular order, and far from comprehensive.

No pre-emptive actions without referrable responsibility cover from WHO or ECDC. cf restrictions, masks

Childcare for frontline staff, flagged months ago, they tried a top down non-consultative solution, and then government bottled state indemnity because feared turning down other interests.

No mandatory enforced registration of people coming into the country, or monitoring of self-isolation.

Non-provision of PPE to care homes, 'discovering' that health staff moonlighted between institutions, when anyone who visited care homes knew it was the common practice.

Non-separation of COVID-19 patients into separate facilities allowing normal healthcare to continue.

DOJ shifting people in direct provision across the country without reference to DOH.

Lack of provision of shielding for bus drivers.

No joined up thinking, returning to work insufficient public transport capacity, no non-familial childcare provision.

Most of all, failure to implement a fast turnaround test, track and trace system with enforced monitored isolation of positives.

I keep hearing about garden centres and hardware stores being allowed to open. Aren’t they open already? I’ve gotten stuff from my local hardware store multiple times over the past few weeks. Garden centre also open, been twice this week.

The whole "children dont spread covid" thing is convenient considering the govt childcare plan is scrapped and they will now be under pressure to open up childcare/schools to relieve working parents. Now leo comes out saying it's one of the safest things to do. I'm sure we had covid in this house, my 4 year old got it first in march, he is in a rural preschool where kids are in a small room. 5 days later I got same, 5 days later my 10 year old got it. I'd like to see some solid evidence about kids as I believe they can and do pass it on.

DubInMeath wrote: »

The arboretum carlow

Ratoath garden centre

Are two that come to mind where they have cafes in the centers themselves and sure there are plenty of others.

Most cafes normally have tables so close together to pack the customers in that I can't see it being financially viable for them to have a sit down service if they implement social distancing measures.

I'd think that the ones who have stayed open doing take away coffee and food, similar to restaurants will still see similar trade as anyone I've talked to wouldn't be sitting down to eat in them, social distancing or not.

Also fairly sure people don't buy dandelion seeds, most would probably see them as weeds.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but don't you run a cafe, or am I thinking of a different poster?

I don't.

siobhan2005 wrote: »

The whole "children dont spread covid" thing is convenient considering the govt childcare plan is scrapped and they will now be under pressure to open up childcare/schools to relieve working parents. Now leo comes out saying it's one of the safest things to do. I'm sure we had covid in this house, my 4 year old got it first in march, he is in a rural preschool where kids are in a small room. 5 days later I got same, 5 days later my 10 year old got it. I'd like to see some solid evidence about kids as I believe they can and do pass it on.

Don't believe that there is any.

HIQUA's study of a small number of studies which mainly covered very small numbers of children, with varying methodologies, compiled from admitted sparse reporting detail which was collected for other purposes.

Loth to believe HIQUA was motivated to provide political cover, think they carried out a potentially useful study which yielded nothing because of the paucity of source material.

HIQUA should have quietly buried their study of studies and not published a glossy report with suspect timing.