Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Boggles · 14-05-2020 10:41AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Then you have the issues of hospitals calming people had covid who don't to receive government funding ,

Link?

yourdeadwright · 14-05-2020 10:50AM

Boggles wrote: »

Link?

Its been talk of America in recent weeks,

As American healthcare is so expensive the government are paying for covid cases so everyone will go to hospitals , its claimed hospitals receive 8 grand per covid cases and up to 30 grand per ventilated case,

Now a fact is hospitals in a lot of regions in the states are 50 % down on normal traffic of people ,
People are putting things off as they don't want to be near Covid patients , This has lead to nurses and doctors being let go or furloughed , a tick of box and you receive 8 grand ,stick someone on a ventilator for 30 minutes you receive 30 grand , There a nurses wage for the year you save a colleagues and possible a friends job

Google it plenty of different reports

Kermit.de.frog · 14-05-2020 10:52AM

Belgium reports 307 new cases and 60 new deaths

South Korea reports 29 new cases and 1 new death

Mexico reports 1,862 new cases and 294 new deaths

Brazil reports 11,385 new cases and 749 new deaths

stephenjmcd · 14-05-2020 10:57AM

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1260866879377289216?s=19

We've borrowed 1.5 billion this morning

Roger_007 · 14-05-2020 10:58AM

Danzy wrote: »

Give people credit, life is often shi7, if you are unlucky that can be for years.

There will always be times like that, people accept that and that allows them to stay going till the dawn.

A year of light restriction is not the end of the world or creating a new society.

What will happen in September if some parents refuse to send their kids back to school? Who can question their actions? They can rightly claim that the danger is still out there.
I’m sure that most parents will try to give their kids the best education they can but there are always some who have to be forced by law to do so. That’s why we have school attendance officers.
That’s all gone out the window now and effectively parents can do what they like as long as Covid is around. (WHO have said that Covid will probably always be with us). All the medical experts are telling us that there will almost certainly be a second wave of Covid, probably in the Autumn.
The government have set the agenda of health concerns trumping any right to education and they will not be able to change it with any justification. They can’t suddenly declare that Covid is not really all that bad and you should now send your kids to school.

stephenjmcd · 14-05-2020 11:00AM

HSE hospital report out this morning.

As of 8pm last night there were 62 patients with confirmed covid in ICU.

Likewise as of 8pm there were 449 patients in acute hospitals with confirmed covid.

Kermit.de.frog · 14-05-2020 11:03AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1260866879377289216?s=19

We've borrowed 1.5 billion this morning

The main thing is we have fiscal space for renewed lock downs if/when required. The market suggests there is plenty of scope when we need it.

growleaves · 14-05-2020 11:09AM

The World Health Organisation has warned that coronavirus “may never go away” as its experts predicted that a global mental health crisis caused by the pandemic was looming.

[..]

A report by the WHO’s mental health department to the UN warned of another looming crisis: “The isolation, the fear, the uncertainty, the economic turmoil – they all cause or could cause psychological distress,” said the department’s director, Devora Kestel. She said the world could expect to see an upsurge in the severity of mental illness, including amongst children, young people and healthcare workers

Terrible

dundalkfc10 · 14-05-2020 11:11AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

What so Leo and Tony aren't the nations saviours ? ...... but everyone says there handling this great ?

shambles in the Airports (still bad, flights Dublin to Kerry still going daily),
the Nursing homes care facilities
childcare issues for frontline staff
disgraceful way Doctors and Nurses who returned are treated
Testing issues
Leos and Tony contradicting themselves daily
gardai not doing their job

Great Job all round

New Home · 14-05-2020 11:11AM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I have a niece in Dundalk who contacted her GP on Friday, had a test Monday and got her results this morning.

Hope she's ok.

Roger_007 wrote: »

What will happen in September if some parents refuse to send their kids back to school? Who can question their actions? They can rightly claim that the danger is still out there.
I’m sure that most parents will try to give their kids the best education they can but there are always some who have to be forced by law to do so. That’s why we have school attendance officers.
That’s all gone out the window now and effectively parents can do what they like as long as Covid is around. (WHO have said that Covid will probably always be with us). All the medical experts are telling us that there will almost certainly be a second wave of Covid, probably in the Autumn.
The government have set the agenda of health concerns trumping any right to education and they will not be able to change it with any justification. They can’t suddenly declare that Covid is not really all that bad and you should now send your kids to school.

Home schooling may become more prevalent.

Roger_007 · 14-05-2020 11:12AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The main thing is we have fiscal space for renewed lock downs if/when required. The market suggests there is plenty of scope when we need it.

Or to put it another way we can have as much rope as we want to hang ourselves economically.

2ndcoming · 14-05-2020 11:18AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

The World Health Organization lauded Sweden as a “model” for battling the coronavirus as countries lift lockdowns — after the nation controversially refused restrictions.

Dr. Mike Ryan, the WHO’s top emergencies expert, said Wednesday there are “lessons to be learned” from the Scandinavian nation, which has largely relied on citizens to self-regulate.

“I think there’s a perception out that Sweden has not put in control measures and just has allowed the disease to spread,” Ryan told reporters. “Nothing can be further from the truth.”

Ryan noted that instead of lockdowns, the country has “put in place a very strong public policy around social distancing, around caring and protecting people in long-term care facilities.”

“What it has done differently is it has very much relied on its relationship with its citizenry and the ability and willingness of its citizens to implement self-distancing and self-regulate,” Ryan said. “In that sense, they have implemented public policy through that partnership with the population.”

He said the country also ramped up testing and had adequate capacity in hospitals to handle any outbreaks.

“I think if we are to reach a new normal, Sweden represents a model if we wish to get back to a society in which we don’t have lockdowns,” Ryan said.

What he's saying there is he praised Sweden for having an excellent health service and an engaged, educated population. Basically they had done the legwork to allow them avoid imposing strict lockdowns while the rest of us spent 20 / 30 years asset stripping or leaving our health services on a drip in the corner based on neoliberal ideology, so we had no possible outcome without lockdowns but the collapse of those health systems under the strain of the virus.

Going by the usual guff that comes out of the poster and a few of those who thanked the post I fear they probably didn't get this.

Kermit.de.frog · 14-05-2020 11:20AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Or to put it another way we can have as much rope as we want to hang ourselves economically.

Only what is required.

You may not have heard but there is an unknown pathogen spreading around the world.

No risks can be taken because not enough is known about the virus.

We really are in a different place from before Christmas and it's highly unlikely that 'normal' comes back again like we knew then even temporarily.

The message I would give to people is to move to acceptance phase rather than denial.

A lot of people don't want to do that or are not in that place psychologically yet. They think things go back to normal in August or September.

The government have to be more forthright and honest if they want to bring people with them.

The market is fine for Irish debt. Nothing to worry about there.

Wibbs · 14-05-2020 11:20AM

Danzy wrote: »

The high estimate for Irish deaths was 88k, that was with no actions and let it burn through with all the associated problems and overwhelming of hospitals.

The estimates were about as accurate as reading tea leaves. When you see estimates between 5,000 and 50,000 you can be sure they're flipping coins, no matter how shiny those coins appear to be.

Boggles · 14-05-2020 11:20AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Its been talk of America in recent weeks,

As American healthcare is so expensive the government are paying for covid cases so everyone will go to hospitals , its claimed hospitals receive 8 grand per covid cases and up to 30 grand per ventilated case,

Now a fact is hospitals in a lot of regions in the states are 50 % down on normal traffic of people ,
People are putting things off as they don't want to be near Covid patients , This has lead to nurses and doctors being let go or furloughed , a tick of box and you receive 8 grand ,stick someone on a ventilator for 30 minutes you receive 30 grand , There a nurses wage for the year you save a colleagues and possible a friends job

Google it plenty of different reports

So you have no link to back up your claim hospitals are falsifying death records and profiteering off the back of it.

Do you know why you don't?

Because it's absolute bullshít. Some loon on facebook posted it which they removed.

Mike3287 · 14-05-2020 11:25AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

What so Leo and Tony aren't the nations saviours ? ...... but everyone says there handling this great ?

They've done an awful job, only sheep believe otherwise

They've had 4 things to sort

Border/flights, still open to free travel with no enforcement of quarantine,a bloody leaflet handed out

Travellers doing as they feel, spreading virus like a pack of rats

Hospitals 33% of infections coming from then

Nursing Homes, no comment here i'll get banned

wakka12 · 14-05-2020 11:25AM

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/05/13/60-of-coronavirus-patient-deaths-not-counted-toward-total-moscow-officials-say-a70269
Another country admits huge undercount of deaths. Safe to say covid deaths globally are a minimum of 100,000 higher than the official count

Wibbs · 14-05-2020 11:27AM

Boggles wrote: »

So you have no link to back up your claim hospitals are falsifying death records and profiteering off the back of it.

Do you know why you don't?

Because it's absolute bullshít. Some loon on facebook posted it which they removed.

Likely BS alright B, though of all the world's health systems out there the American set up is one where that cooking of the books would least surprise me if it turned out to have some truth to it.

yourdeadwright · 14-05-2020 11:27AM

Mike3287 wrote: »

They've done an awful job, only sheep believe otherwise

They've had 4 things to sort

Border/flights, still open to free travel with no enforcement of quarantine,a bloody leaflet handed out

Travellers doing as they feel, spreading virus like a pack of rats

Hospitals 33% of infections coming from then

Nursing Homes, no comment here i'll get banned

I was being sarcastic ,

Random sample · 14-05-2020 11:30AM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/05/13/60-of-coronavirus-patient-deaths-not-counted-toward-total-moscow-officials-say-a70269
Another country admits huge undercount of deaths. Safe to say covid deaths globally are a minimum of 100,000 higher than the official count

I was wondering how their death numbers were so low

2ndcoming · 14-05-2020 11:39AM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/05/13/60-of-coronavirus-patient-deaths-not-counted-toward-total-moscow-officials-say-a70269
Another country admits huge undercount of deaths. Safe to say covid deaths globally are a minimum of 100,000 higher than the official count

Their death totals are very low still though and they are doing huge testing. Even if there was a 600% underreporting the numbers would still look favourable on most countries.

Kermit.de.frog · 14-05-2020 11:41AM

Anyone else believe Russia has done 6.1 million tests?

Please raise your hand.

Mike3287 · 14-05-2020 11:41AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I was being sarcastic ,

I know

I just wanted to say it anyway

Duke of Url · 14-05-2020 11:47AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Anyone else believe Russia has done 6.1 million tests?

Please raise your hand.

As much as any other country.

It started from day 1 in China where everyone said they lied about the numbers.

Maybe Greenland and Iceland give accurate numbers and thats about it.

Does anyone believe that Ireland are conducting 40K tests a week?

Miike · 14-05-2020 11:49AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Does anyone believe that Ireland are conducting 40K tests a week?

I have absolutely no reservations that they're doing the amount they say. What would make you say otherwise?

wakka12 · 14-05-2020 11:52AM

Miike wrote: »

I have absolutely no reservations that they're doing the amount they say. What would make you say otherwise?

I would wonder who they are testing though. Is it just random community testing? Obviously at this stage, with just a tiny number of tests coming back positive relatively to the amount done ,it means theres very little covid in the community, so how do they choose who to test now? There are not anywhere near 40k people experiencing flu symptoms going to get tested

Duke of Url · 14-05-2020 11:55AM

Miike wrote: »

I have absolutely no reservations that they're doing the amount they say. What would make you say otherwise?

why do you not have reservations about Irelands numbers compared to any other countries?

Mike3287 · 14-05-2020 11:56AM

Working class heroes wrote: »

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Problem?

Miike · 14-05-2020 11:56AM

wakka12 wrote: »

I would wonder who they are testing though. Is it just random community testing? Obviously at this stage, with just a tiny number of tests coming back positive relatively to the amount done ,it means theres very little covid in the community, so how do they choose who to test now? There are not anywhere near 40k people experiencing flu symptoms going to get tested

Testing of healthcare staff is a major operation in it's self. They are powering through specific subsectors of the health service as we speak. Mental Health services are currently undergoing a fairly big testing operation.

The tests they quote aren't people just GP referrals or people experiencing symptoms. High risk areas are under stringent surveillance. I think it's fairly easy to lose sight of how big the health service actually is tbh.

14-05-2020 11:57AM

s1ippy wrote: »

We've been keeping our young fella indoors. He's adjusted incredibly well tbf, the little cutie. I prefer having to cuddle him 25+ more times a day to having to avoid him and clean every place he goes, like a walking biohazard (which is what I was doing before). My mood has actually improved probably about 80% since he hasn't been going out during this. He's been in for about 3 weeks.

Mine has taken this pandemic very seriously and has decided to sleep through the entire year, only waking to eat and use the litter tray.

In fairness, this ain’t really a massive life change for her.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Comments