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Renault 19s - esp. phase 1 and TSE
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Toyotafanboi wrote: »Just read the whole thread and has me fairly dewy eyed over old Renaults now.
The first car I can really vividly remember the auld fella having was a 1986 Renault 18. Always remember thinking how big it was but maybe it's just how small it was.
Never gave it much thought for the last few decades until just now, had a google of it and it's a right quirky looking thing by today's standards!
Pretty sure the reg was 111 PNI. It was traded in off a 1993 Escort, which felt way more modern at the time.
HERE YA GO:SmartinMartin wrote: »
https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/renault-18-gtx-2-0e-nct-05-03-2022-perfect-con-/24336228
Must be the most ogled classic car on Motors at this stage?
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Toyotafanboi wrote: »Just read the whole thread and has me fairly dewy eyed over old Renaults now.
The first car I can really vividly remember the auld fella having was a 1986 Renault 18. ...
Likewise, my father had a succession of Renaults from the 70's onwards.
I can remember a 4, 15, 17, 14, 11 and finally a 19.
I had his old 1.7 1985 11 TXE, was a very comfortable car, wish I'd held on to it.
Sorry to drag the 19 thread off topic
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Did you have any luck with the photo of the Baccara. I still haven't found a photo of the wheels online or found them in Dialogys (Renault parts/manual database that the main dealers used to use)Collibosher wrote: »Likewise, my father had a succession of Renaults from the 70's onwards.
I can remember a 4, 15, 17, 14, 11 and finally a 19.
I had his old 1.7 1985 11 TXE, was a very comfortable car, wish I'd held on to it.
Sorry to drag the 19 thread off topic
Thread has already strayed off topic on several occasions. As it seems to be fizzling out, I may introduce some dirty Mk1 Megane content soon
The Megane Mk1 was a better car than the 19, it would want to be given that it was an evolution of the 19. However the styling of the Megane was divisive from day 1. I remember seeing a delivery of Meganes to the Renault garage in Templeogue Dublin in early 1996, there were also a few last gasp new 19 saloons with the delivery - white with bodykit and alloys. I recall thinking that the 19 looked considerably better than the car which was replacing it.
Megane design analysed
https://driventowrite.com/2018/08/23/1995-renault-megane-review/0 -
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Did you have any luck with the photo of the Baccara. I still haven't found a photo of the wheels online or found them in Dialogys (Renault parts/manual database that the main dealers used to use)
Thread has already strayed off topic on several occasions. As it seems to be fizzling out, I may introduce some dirty Mk1 Megane content soon The Megane Mk1 was a better car than the 19, it would want to be given that it was an evolution of the 19. However the styling of the Megane was divisive from day 1. I remember seeing a delivery of Meganes to the Renault garage in Templeogue Dublin in early 1996, there were also a few last gasp new 19 saloons with the delivery - white with bodykit and alloys. I recall thinking that the 19 looked considerably better than the car which was replacing it.
Megane design analysed
https://driventowrite.com/2018/08/23/1995-renault-megane-review/
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Did you have any luck with the photo of the Baccara. I still haven't found a photo of the wheels online or found them in Dialogys (Renault parts/manual database that the main dealers used to use)
Thread has already strayed off topic on several occasions. As it seems to be fizzling out, I may introduce some dirty Mk1 Megane content soon The Megane Mk1 was a better car than the 19, it would want to be given that it was an evolution of the 19. However the styling of the Megane was divisive from day 1. I remember seeing a delivery of Meganes to the Renault garage in Templeogue Dublin in early 1996, there were also a few last gasp new 19 saloons with the delivery - white with bodykit and alloys. I recall thinking that the 19 looked considerably better than the car which was replacing it.
Megane design analysed
https://driventowrite.com/2018/08/23/1995-renault-megane-review/
First Megane carried over most of the drive train from the 19 with some of the issues sorted, back axle etc.. the interior was better soundproofed and the seats firmer, Megane Coupe was a pretty little thing.0 -
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Megane was considerably safer too - although the 19 was still near the top of its class despite the buckling evident in the below screenshot. Going back to something I asked earlier, I wonder if the roof arch added to the phase 2 would have made any difference.RandomViewer wrote: »First Megane carried over most of the drive train from the 19 with some of the issues sorted, back axle etc.. the interior was better soundproofed and the seats firmer, Megane Coupe was a pretty little thing.
R19 phase 1 55 km/h offset test into solid barrier.
Megane 1 55 km/h offset test into solid barrier
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Did you have any luck with the photo of the Baccara. I still haven't found a photo of the wheels online or found them in Dialogys (Renault parts/manual database that the main dealers used to use)
I'll have a good look at the weekend and get into photo boxes in attic.
Surely they weren't specific to Irish market ?
I seem to remember them being something similar to these :-
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Those are the 14 inch Zenith alloys that were also use on the Phase 1 TXE. There were a couple of other designs that were used on Baccaras in various markets - but the ones posted by Collibosher above are close to those that were standard on the Irish Baccaras in 1995 at least.0 -
I was watching some old footage of the British Touring Car Championship and thought of this thread as the Renault 19 16v competed in 1993. A bad racing car - but one that still managed to win two races in wet conditions. I've posted a typical screenshot of the 19 that year, 130 mph at Thruxton, up on 2 wheels, drifting and on the verge of flying off the track.
Funny story about it from Tim Harvey, note the comments on cheese and wine
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/july-1998/57/worst-car-i-ever-drove-french-farce
I find myself looking back with lot of nostalgia to this era of racing and it could explain why I seem to have a fetish for Mondeos, Cavaliers, Primeras, Alfa 155s and anything else that competed in this golden era.
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I was watching some old footage of the British Touring Car Championship and thought of this thread as the Renault 19 16v competed in 1993. A bad racing car - but one that still managed to win two races in wet conditions. I've posted a typical screenshot of the 19 that year, 130 mph at Thruxton, up on 2 wheels, drifting and on the verge of flying off the track.
Funny story about it from Tim Harvey, note the comments on cheese and wine
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/july-1998/57/worst-car-i-ever-drove-french-farce
I find myself looking back with lot of nostalgia to this era of racing and it could explain why I seem to have a fetish for Mondeos, Cavaliers, Primeras, Alfa 155s and anything else that competed in this golden era.
It was the TOCA Touring Car game era after that with the Laguna I where I started to get interested 0 -
The TOCA game was great - I still have it must fire up the old Windows 98 PC and give it a go.
The 1993-1998 period was IMO the golden era of BTCC super tourers, the number of entires was a bit light in the years before and after that. Although 1992 did have some classic moments
THE MAN'S AN ANIMAL
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Just going back to R19s and in case anyone is interested in safety, I collated some results from the early 90s ADAC offset crash testing. This was similar to but a bit less stringent than the Auto Motor und Sport tests that were done in the 1990s. The picture of the red 19 and white Megane Mk1 that I posted in an earlier post are from the AMS testing.
Below are the results and some screenshots from the ADAC testing. The R19 did well and considerably better than the similar design age Fiat Tipo and Peugeot 405. In this test, the 19 had problem with slippage of the rear seat base which caused a dummy to slip under its seatbelt, if the results for the rear seat are disregarded the 19 was the second best car after the Mercedes 190 - with the caveat that a heavier D segment car is going to be safer than a ligher C segment car even if both have the same rating.
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ba_barabus wrote: »I bought that brochure! I've a very big collection of R19 brochures etc which is helping me to put mine as close to the spec I'd like as possible. It helped me to pickup what was a Renault Boutique accessory car phone!
It's not fully finished but it's well on it's way. Its had a ceramic coating applied this week. I'll be picking it up tomorrow. I've the pictures here but I'm waiting for Taff to post them to his Facebook page first.
Currently, I've a few jobs to tackle which will be done over the next couple of weeks. Front brake calipers, discs and pads will all be changed, along with powersteering and fan belt. Also brake fluid and P/S fluid while I'm at it and finally I'll need to clean up the engine bay.
It's very clean underneath which is good.
Last thing I need to locate is a proper radio for it as some buttons are missing on mine. Window trims are hopefully coming from Spain once their lockdown is lifted.....they're like hens teeth.
I absolutely love it. I had a phase 1 convertible last year which I sold, sorry I did now. And I'm already on the look out for any 19 as my next project. I love them!
I'll post more pictures as it is now when I see them online.
And great to see all the 19 love, I assumed a 12 months ago when I started that everyone would think I was a moron for going to the lengths and expense I have.........well I am but at least the car is liked!
We just like Ph1.
Sorry
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Nice one ba_barabus! IMO the phase 2 is more colour and wheel sensitive than the phase 1, I must admit that I'm not mad about the Turbine trims on the RSI and would prefer a set of 14 inch Zeniths. I think the below pic is of the 14 inchers. Back in the day I mainly saw these on phase 2 turbodiesels although the ones I saw might have been 13 inchers like those on the TSE.
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Nice one ba_barabus! IMO the phase 2 is more colour and wheel sensitive than the phase 1, I must admit that I'm not mad about the Turbine trims on the RSI and would prefer a set of 14 inch Zeniths. I think the below pic is of the 14 inchers. Back in the day I mainly saw these on phase 2 turbodiesels although the ones I saw might have been 13 inchers like those on the TSE.
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The Baccara wheel question may have been answered thanks to an ad on donedeal. My memory must be going, i'm familar with those wheels as they are on higher spec Megane Mk1 phase 2s but I didn't make the connection.
The Baccara on donedeal is fairly rough looking and it says it hasn't been NCT'd since 2007 but check out those seats!
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https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-19-baccara-1-4/24928077
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Thanks for posting that - confirms that the Supervan was a non turbo diesel, I don't see a 0-60 time in there but from other sources it is 15.7 seconds. A figure that was slow even back in the day yet many people including myself remember them as being one of the fastest vehicles on the road I had a couple of scary experiences as passenger in them, the fact that it is an old school noisy diesel probably made it seem faster again.
Are there any left? I haven't seen a 19 van on donedeal for years. I don't think they were sold in the UK so importing not an option.0 -
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