Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Leo has his say on what the EU came out with today
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/taoiseach-says-prospect-of-air-travel-is-months-rather-than-weeks-away-999322.html

Leo is clearly following Dr Tony and WHO.

are we so slow at lifting restrictions cus we are following WHO?

"Tedros said. He added that the WHO understands the economic costs of shutdown measures and encourages countries to take “a slow, steady” approach in lifting restrictions."

absolute rubbish.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/rush-of-applications-expected-as-pubs-can-apply-for-licences-to-open-as-restaurants-999309.html

Thought pubs that do food would have had a licence to operate as restaurants as well already?

I'm so conflicted.

On the one hand, we've known from the start what flattening the curve meant. It was not to find a vaccine or treatment, but to ensure hospital capacity wasn't overloaded while we looked for a treatment that could help.

I knew this, but I somehow lost the message (partly by going on Twitter).

I'm still the "stay at home" type as are many people, but we knew from the very start that the lockdown was to flatten the curve in anticipation of a second wave. We've not had a *first* wave, CMO said himself.

Why the feck am I so afraid though?

Then again, the HSE's capacity for testing & tracing is woejus. This will be our biggest disadvantage in lifting restrictions.


Ahhh I don't know what to think.

Stheno wrote: »

Are those 4 people living with you?

1 is, the other 3 are my partner and her parents, and I'd spend (normally) a lot of time with them.

“I don’t think it would be a good reflection on us as a society if we were the last people able to reopen our schools and childcare facilities.”

That goes for the rest of your slow plan as well Leo

Deleted User wrote: »

Report he based his comments on specifically mentioned under 14s I believe. They just don’t seem to have the same viral load

Under 25s as less of a risk I think.

It’s all a case really as a schools still a school.

Don’t think the virus decides if your 11 I won’t infect you but if you 17/18 I will

It’s a shambles to be stating that one of the safest things we could do is to open schools whilst simultaneously his minster of education is giving reasons why the exams were cancelled.

SusieBlue wrote: »

Michael Guineys in Cork is reopening on Monday. As far as I know they don’t sell food, hardware or garden equipment so I don’t know how they’re getting around the restrictions.
They do have a homeware section so perhaps they are taking inspiration from Dunnes in that regard.

Either way, the more businesses that take the leap, the more likely others will follow. No way will they remain closed when they can see their competitors open for business and making money.

Fair play to them- let them shut down a rate and wage paying business if they do wish

polesheep wrote: »

Because you have been fed fear.

I used to climb in my younger days. If I told someone who was new to a certain section that it was dangerous and the likelihood of falling was high, they would usually climb it badly or not climb it at all, due to fear. On the other hand, if I told them that it was technical but most people handled it ok, they would be fine. The messages coming from reliable sources are going to be mostly positive from here on, even if they are cautious. It's those that you should be listening to.

I don't think it is enough just to be listening to the authorities from whence they change their messaging, which will be quite soon. People have to start recognising that passivity is wrong when in conjunction with not-demanding strict honesty from journalists, officials, politicians etc.

By strict I mean there should be no more tolerance for deniable dishonesty such as exaggerations, selective omissions, unlikely scenarios presented as likely, lying to gain room to maneuver (constantly expected of government and justified to keep one step ahead of public reaction), sloppily compiled statistics presented as fact and later dismissed as "Models aren't supposed to be right anyway". The list goes on and on.

The choice for the individual is whether they are going to collude with this through passivity or actively decide to reject lies.

growleaves wrote: »

I don't think it is enough just to be listening to the authorities from whence they change their messaging, which will be quite soon. People have to start recognising that passivity is wrong when in conjunction with not-demanding strict honesty from journalists, officials, politicians etc.

By strict I mean there should be no more tolerance for deniable dishonesty such as exaggerations, selective omissions, unlikely scenarios presented as likely, lying to gain room to maneuver (constantly expected of government and justified to keep one step ahead of public reaction), sloppily compiled statistics presented as fact and later dismissed as "Models aren't supposed to be right anyway". The list goes on and on.

The choice for the individual is whether they are going to collude with this through passivity or actively decide to reject lies.

This is the worst pandemic in 100 years and virtually every country is experiencing difficulties in understanding and communicating what is a changing situation on a daily basis.

Anyone who wants to is free to run for elected office. This keyboard democracy is closer to science fiction writing than the real world.

This thing is collapsing by the day now. Real palpable sense of that today. Traffic is heading back to normal school holiday levels, tradespeople are nearly all back and/or working away behind the scenes.
Next Monday it’s game over with the next sets of businesses screaming to reopen or working around the nonsense

Tell me how wrote: »

This is the worst pandemic in 100 years and virtually every country is experiencing difficulties in understanding and communicating what is a changing situation on a daily basis.

Anyone who wants to is free to run for elected office. This keyboard democracy is closer to science fiction writing than the real world.

God, you write all that up and you are wrong on the first sentence.

Pandemic of 1968 killed over 1 million people. Covid, at the current rate, wont catch it until 2021. (at which stage we ll all realize that 90%+ covid deaths are really cancer/heart disease deaths conveniently marked as covid to mask Tony H's shortcomings)

We dont need keyboard democracy. We are supposed to be democratic nation, and certain individuals on 200,000 + a year should respect and follow that not give media sound bites (save lives, deaths as low as possible) and put hundreds of thousands of people out of work, and keep hundreds of thousands children out of school for 6 months.