Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

polesheep · 13-05-2020 04:32PM

owlbethere wrote: »

So far we only know of a few cases of animals from around the world. It looks as if there might be more cases of animals but they are undetected or not notified.

One woman on the Facebook group and on that thread, posted a video of her dog sneezing.

Who needs Netflix;)

polesheep · 13-05-2020 04:36PM

owlbethere wrote: »

What if we don't send them back and we find out that they can be spreaders, isn't it better to be cautious?

What if we never send them back?

Seriously, I'm seeing lots of kids playing together now on the local greens. they might as well be in school.

ACitizenErased · 13-05-2020 04:36PM

Wonder could we be looking at double figure case numbers today or tomorrow? Be a great boost.

awec · 13-05-2020 04:41PM

owlbethere wrote: »

So far the news and the situation with animals getting the covid19, is small.

The Facebook group I'm on that's for covid19, there's a thread about pets. The news that we have so far about the animals, that's not isolated cases. People on the group with covid19 and their pets have experienced sickness along with the family. People aren't taking their pets to the vets so we aren't getting a true picture of the situation on animals. I can understand why they are not taking their pets to the vets, I don't think it's neglect, it's more of a position where they can't due to being sick themselves.

One person of many who posted there said that the first member of the family to get symptoms was their cat who was sneezing. Hard to say what that situation is exactly. If members of the family came down with the virus first and passed it onto the cat and it was the cat who was first to show symptoms.

If anyone wants the name of the group, PM me and I will share it, if you want to have a read of things yourself.

Please stop telling us about your facebook groups full of oddball cranks.

Good grief what nonsense. This is proper lunatic stuff.

boring accountant · 13-05-2020 04:42PM

Just as I suspected, Gemma and Waters have totally squandered an opportunity to appear before the HC to challenge these laws.

Its incredibly disappointing that these loons were the ones to bring a challenge that if done correctly could have been extremely useful in defining the limits of state power in an emergency and possibly setting some kind of precedent for how these laws might be reviewed on an ongoing basis in future.

A pair of second year law students could have done a better job than these morons.

13-05-2020 04:47PM

boring accountant wrote: »

Just as I suspected, Gemma and Waters have totally squandered an opportunity to appear before the HC to challenge these laws.

Its incredibly disappointing that these loons were the ones to bring a challenge that if done correctly could have been extremely useful in defining the limits of state power in an emergency and possibly setting some kind of precedent for how these laws might be reviewed on an ongoing basis in future.

A pair of second year law students could have done a better job than these morons.

Maybe the reason no one with any rudimentary understanding of the law has brought a case is because there isn't one? I don't know the finer points of the law, but I am sure some eager young JC would only be itching to make a name for himself as the one who got the lockdown overturned if they thought it was possible

Sanjuro · 13-05-2020 04:47PM

owlbethere wrote: »

So far the news and the situation with animals getting the covid19, is small.

The Facebook group I'm on that's for covid19, there's a thread about pets. The news that we have so far about the animals, that's not isolated cases. People on the group with covid19 and their pets have experienced sickness along with the family. People aren't taking their pets to the vets so we aren't getting a true picture of the situation on animals. I can understand why they are not taking their pets to the vets, I don't think it's neglect, it's more of a position where they can't due to being sick themselves.

One person of many who posted there said that the first member of the family to get symptoms was their cat who was sneezing. Hard to say what that situation is exactly. If members of the family came down with the virus first and passed it onto the cat and it was the cat who was first to show symptoms.

If anyone wants the name of the group, PM me and I will share it, if you want to have a read of things yourself.

How has your brain not leaked out your ears yet? This is utter nonsense.

boring accountant · 13-05-2020 04:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Maybe the reason no one with any rudimentary understanding of the law has brought a case is because there isn't one? I don't know the finer points of the law, but I am sure some eager young JC would only be itching to make a name for himself as the one who got the lockdown overturned if they thought it was possible

It’s not a question of having the lockdown overturned, it’s about setting limits. The government seems to have a sense of how far they can go in regulating behaviour which would indicate that their power in this regard is not absolute.

There is an immense amount of uncertainty as to what is proportionate and what is not and I suspect if this lockdown continues much longer you will have some legitimate challenges. All infringements of rights must be proportionate to the aims and if for example the 5km limit cannot be substantiated by hard evidence it’s possible that that could be overturned.

owlbethere · 13-05-2020 04:56PM

awec wrote: »

Please stop telling us about your facebook groups full of oddball cranks.

Good grief what nonsense. This is proper lunatic stuff.

It's a support group for covid19. It's an eye opener. We've been led to believe that this illness will be like a 14 day. It's not. There are people who are suffering for 2 months + with this illness.
I'm using group so that I can be prepared.

In relation to animals, it was reported in the news before now about a dog in Hong Kong. Tigers in a zoo in New York. Pet cats in Belgium. From that Facebook group, there are families who have sick pets along with sickness with their own family members.

ceadaoin. · 13-05-2020 04:59PM

hmmm wrote: »

I expect we'll have home testing within a few months. You'll be able to check yourself whether you have Covid or something else. It's the next few months we have to get through with little in the way of tools.

Employers should be emphasising this also as it is in their benefit - don't come into work if you think you are sick.

There will be a small number of people who abuse it, but most people won't.

Where I live, the casinos/hotels have already started to test all their employees, and their families in advance of returning to work. I presume this will be done on a regular basis. Mass testing seems to be the way forward with anyone testing positive quickly sent home to isolate. No doubt this will be used as a selling point "all our employees are tested, you're safe here" etc . Easy if you're a multi million dollar company and can afford hundreds of thousands of tests.

polesheep · 13-05-2020 05:00PM

owlbethere wrote: »

It's a support group for covid19. It's an eye opener. We've been led to believe that this illness will be like a 14 day. It's not. There are people who are suffering for 2 months + with this illness.
I'm using group so that I can be prepared.

In relation to animals, it was reported in the news before now about a dog in Hong Kong. Tigers in a zoo in New York. Pet cats in Belgium. From that Facebook group, there are families who have sick pets along with sickness with their own family members.

Every day I thank the Big Bang for giving us scientists.

boring accountant · 13-05-2020 05:00PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I am sure some eager young JC would only be itching to make a name for himself as the one who got the lockdown overturned if they thought it was possible

The fact that a law has not yet been challenged is not itself evidence of constitutionality.

Besides, we don’t have much of a culture of judicial activism amongst the legal profession. It’s not like the states where you have ambitious lawyers lining up around the block any time a new law is passed looking to make a name for themselves.

hmmm · 13-05-2020 05:03PM

This is a useful interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqqPY8N2d-8

Recommending avoiding indoor places with lots of talkers, particularly loud talkers. We've seen how choirs, call centres, Churches (with people singing) have been areas with lots of spread.

quokula · 13-05-2020 05:04PM

owlbethere wrote: »

It's a support group for covid19. It's an eye opener. We've been led to believe that this illness will be like a 14 day. It's not. There are people who are suffering for 2 months + with this illness.
I'm using group so that I can be prepared.

In relation to animals, it was reported in the news before now about a dog in Hong Kong. Tigers in a zoo in New York. Pet cats in Belgium. From that Facebook group, there are families who have sick pets along with sickness with their own family members.

There's a big difference between reality and the nonsense you're reading on Facebook.

Ipso · 13-05-2020 05:05PM

boring accountant wrote: »

Just as I suspected, Gemma and Waters have totally squandered an opportunity to appear before the HC to challenge these laws.

Its incredibly disappointing that these loons were the ones to bring a challenge that if done correctly could have been extremely useful in defining the limits of state power in an emergency and possibly setting some kind of precedent for how these laws might be reviewed on an ongoing basis in future.

A pair of second year law students could have done a better job than these morons.

People of this ilk don’t care about serious issues, it’s a combination of attention seeking and a narcissistic delusion where they are the lone hero fighting a pick n mix of villains. They started this case before the infected numbers started to snowball. If the government didn’t enforce these laws, I guarantee you that muppet one and muppet two would see that as part of a conspiracy to kill people.

An Ciarraioch · 13-05-2020 05:09PM

Today's Italian bulletin: 888 new cases, down significantly from 1,402 yesterday. Deaths slightly up, from 172 to 195:

https://www.corriere.it/salute/malattie_infettive/20_maggio_13/coronavirus-italia-222104-casi-positivi-morti-bollettino-13-maggio-2a6e5cc6-952c-11ea-b53d-888d5c72a186.shtml

ceadaoin. · 13-05-2020 05:09PM

owlbethere wrote: »

It's a support group for covid19. It's an eye opener. We've been led to believe that this illness will be like a 14 day. It's not. There are people who are suffering for 2 months + with this illness.
I'm using group so that I can be prepared.

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Yeah there's a group like that on another site I read. Full of people convinced they have it and listing symptoms that they have apparently been experiencing for months. Yet many admit they tested negative. Still convinced they have it though.

Take what you read with a grain of salt.. For some it is hypochondria. Reminds me of the chronic lyme disease craze that was around a few years ago.

Seamai · 13-05-2020 05:15PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Africa seems to have been far less affected all round so far. Its total current cases are not a whole lot more than those of Belgium.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-4a11d568-2716-41cf-a15e-7d15079548bc

South Africa's figures are creeping up, given that about 20% of the adult population are HIV positive there I'd be concerned about it getting hold the there. I suspect testing levels in most African countries would be tiny so many cases are under the radar.

Eod100 · 13-05-2020 05:15PM

Any idea of time of briefing this evening?

iamwhoiam · 13-05-2020 05:16PM

owlbethere wrote: »

It's a support group for covid19. It's an eye opener. We've been led to believe that this illness will be like a 14 day. It's not. There are people who are suffering for 2 months + with this illness.
I'm using group so that I can be prepared.

In relation to animals, it was reported in the news before now about a dog in Hong Kong. Tigers in a zoo in New York. Pet cats in Belgium. From that Facebook group, there are families who have sick pets along with sickness with their own family members.

It would be like joining a heart attack group so you can be prepared . Or a cancer group in case you get cancer . Honestly I wouldn’t join a group like that for the “ incase “ . It can’t be good for your mental health

Stheno · 13-05-2020 05:18PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Any idea of time of briefing this evening?

Usual I'd imagine 530, in reality 545 or so

Kermit.de.frog · 13-05-2020 05:20PM

In the US states with republican governors unsurprisingly brace for impact

https://finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/greatest-increases-of-covid-deaths-projected-in-republican-states-193205068.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&__twitter_impression=true

hmmm · 13-05-2020 05:21PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

you really expect that? in a few months? wow

Labcorp are already providing home testing in the US (don't ask me how reliable it is). There's a lot of innovation in this area and tests being developed.
https://www.pixel.labcorp.com/covid-19

New Home · 13-05-2020 05:21PM

hmmm wrote: »

This is a useful interview

uqqPY8N2d-8

Recommending avoiding indoor places with lots of talkers, particularly loud talkers. We've seen how choirs, call centres, Churches (with people singing) have been areas with lots of spread.

Maybe that could explain why Southern Europe has been so badly affected (the US, too, Trumpleton aside). Spanish and Italians (and Americans) aren't famous for being soft spoken.

hmmm · 13-05-2020 05:26PM

New Home wrote: »

Maybe that could explain why Southern Europe has been so badly affected (the US, too, Trumpleton aside). Spanish and Italians (and Americans) aren't famous for being soft spoken.

Didn't they suspect some football matches were ground zero for a lot of spread? Even though stadiums are outdoors, and there seems to be a lot less transmission outdoors, it is a place with people packed in together and shouting.

Eod100 · 13-05-2020 05:26PM

Stheno wrote: »

Usual I'd imagine 530, in reality 545 or so

Thought so, nice one!

ACitizenErased · 13-05-2020 05:27PM

hmmm wrote: »

Didn't they suspect some football matches were ground zero for a lot of spread? Even though stadiums are outdoors, and there seems to be a lot less transmission outdoors, it is a place with people packed in together and shouting.

Yeah, the Atalanta Champions League game is suggested to be the cause of the outbreak in Bergamo in Italy. Same with Liverpool's game against Atletico Madrid.

growleaves · 13-05-2020 05:28PM

https://freopp.org/the-covid-19-nursing-home-crisis-by-the-numbers-3a47433c3f70

Strazdas · 13-05-2020 05:29PM

hmmm wrote: »

This is a useful interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqqPY8N2d-8

Recommending avoiding indoor places with lots of talkers, particularly loud talkers. We've seen how choirs, call centres, Churches (with people singing) have been areas with lots of spread.

Interestingly, that could still pave the way for places like gyms and dance studios to reopen safely, as people generally don't speak while they are exercising or dancing.

Seven Septs · 13-05-2020 05:36PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Interestingly, that could still pave the way for places like gyms and dance studios to reopen safely, as people generally don't speak while they are exercising or dancing.

A lot of heavy breathing and in gyms hasty movement between equipment and not cleaning properly. Can't see them being bumped up in the queue.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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