Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Stheno · 13-05-2020 02:44PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

From RTE:
Northern Ireland's First Minister Arlene Foster has said she hopes to be "long past" the final step of the Stormont Executive's five-part plan for easing lockdown by December.

Is there something up there between herself and Michelle o Neill that they just come out with pointless soundbites.

The problem is that the pandemic has forced them to work together

Not being able to sling endless jibes at each other has them unsettled :pac:

polesheep · 13-05-2020 02:44PM

is_that_so wrote: »

All of this will add to our actual understanding of it, not what we can guess about it. That's a good thing, in my view. As an aside on what we know, I thought it interesting that DeGascun said they still don't know definitively why flu' is seasonal in these parts.

I read an article once that suggested that it was an atavistic thing around the dark days. That as winter approached there was a natural susceptibility to diseases like flu among the old and weak, so that come spring the population would emerge stronger and fitter.

road_high · 13-05-2020 02:45PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I really don't know how these people dress themselves in the morning and manage not to be spoon-fed through the day.

Bit like people waiting for Tony Holohan to allow them outside their front doors.

road_high · 13-05-2020 03:01PM

riclad wrote: »

I think we can write off tourism for 2020, I think few people will want to travel here as tourists. there will be restrictions on travel probably til September. After September 11th attack it took 2 years for American tourists travel no to return to normal
. Right now many cafes are open in America. The no of
customers is 20 to 30 per cent of the average before the
crisis. Imagine getting on a plane now. At least one or 2 passengers will probably have the virus unless they start
checking people's temperate before they get on the
Flight

We’ll see. As time goes on and other businesses re open the pressure will grow and grow for tourism activity to follow. Never underestimate the power of money and falling government revenues to instigate a change in policy

Penfailed · 13-05-2020 03:03PM

road_high wrote: »

Bit like people waiting for Tony Holohan to allow them outside their front doors.

Never happened. We've always been allowed outside our front doors.

SusieBlue · 13-05-2020 03:15PM

Michael Guineys in Cork is reopening on Monday. As far as I know they don’t sell food, hardware or garden equipment so I don’t know how they’re getting around the restrictions.
They do have a homeware section so perhaps they are taking inspiration from Dunnes in that regard.

Either way, the more businesses that take the leap, the more likely others will follow. No way will they remain closed when they can see their competitors open for business and making money.

facehugger99 · 13-05-2020 03:15PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

What in the gods name is going on. Even with 14 day quarantine imposed by Gardai, Tony is still unhappy for people to live life. July is over 6 weeks away for crying out

"People should not book summer trips abroad this July despite plans by airlines to resume some flight schedules, chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan warned.

He put a dampener on any non-essential summer getaways and said the country is not ready to go on holiday.

He replied he would not comment on Ryanair, but said: "We are advising against all non-essential travel.

"We don't want to see people coming here for non-essential reasons and leaving for non-essential reasons," he added.

This is the sort of thing North Korea preach. "we dont want people coming here" - without giving any timelines until when.

Can he destroy Irish tourism all by himself?

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/holohan-warns-against-booking-holidays-despite-move-by-airlines-39202539.html

Can someone please put a muzzle on this incompetent merchant of doom?

He has almost single-handedly saddled future generations with billions of euros of national debt and destroyed our economy.

When does someone shout 'stop'?

13-05-2020 03:22PM

frillyleaf wrote: »

What job do you have?

that poster works in HSE - mentioned it a few pages back.

13-05-2020 03:23PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Michael Guineys in Cork is reopening on Monday. As far as I know they don’t sell food, hardware or garden equipment so I don’t know how they’re getting around the restrictions.
They do have a homeware section so perhaps they are taking inspiration from Dunnes in that regard.

Either way, the more businesses that take the leap, the more likely others will follow. No way will they remain closed when they can see their competitors open for business and making money.

Plenty of Garden centres around are open already - selling vegetable plants, pet supplies and similar I presume to get around it, but cars loaded up with flowers etc as they drive away

13-05-2020 03:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Plenty of Garden centres around are open already - selling vegetable plants, pet supplies and similar I presume to get around it, but cars loaded up with flowers etc as they drive away

good for them!

If there were a few around where I live I'd be doing the very same. Cant wait till Monday!

13-05-2020 03:26PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Can someone please put a muzzle on this incompetent merchant of doom?

He has almost single-handedly saddled future generations with billions of euros of national debt and destroyed our economy.

When does someone shout 'stop'?

People really need to put a face to their frustrations don't they. When in reality he is just the lead representative of a large group who are providing advice to the government who execute the decisions based on the advice.

KrustyUCC · 13-05-2020 03:27PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah no I understand that.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN22P1H9?__twitter_impression=true

Anyway Germany aiming for free travel in the EU from mid June, Spain expected to open borders in July also according to Reuters

Germany and others possibly will have international borders open a month before we can travel more than 20km inside our own county or to another county

ixoy · 13-05-2020 03:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

People really need to put a face to their frustrations don't they. When in reality he is just the lead representative of a large group who are providing advice to the government who execute the decisions based on the advice.

Sure the same logic could then be applied to any criticism of any leader, including the Taoiseach.

Tiger Roll · 13-05-2020 03:29PM

SusieBlue wrote:

Either way, the more businesses that take the leap, the more likely others will follow. No way will they remain closed when they can see their competitors open for business and making money.

Very good point. Lots of businesses planning to open on Monday, seeing lots of personal trainers to on Facebook taking bookings for groups of 3 for fitness sessions etc . I think people will be surprised by the amount of people out and about from next week and traffic etc . I'm sure I read that up to 200k people back to work from Monday. Also interested to see how the rates of jobless numbers contract, the black economy is thriving as it is , plenty getting covid payments and doing cash in hand work as well.

stephenjmcd · 13-05-2020 03:32PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Germany and others possibly will have international borders open a month before we can travel more than 20km inside our own county or to another county

Quite possibly. Although I could see that changing potentially if things are looking in a good place.

Realistically say in July if EU borders are open and theres flights running out of Irish airports theres nothing to stop any of us actually going abroad

tobefrank321 · 13-05-2020 03:36PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Can someone please put a muzzle on this incompetent merchant of doom?

He has almost single-handedly saddled future generations with billions of euros of national debt and destroyed our economy.

When does someone shout 'stop'?

Not sure I'd call him a merchant of doom, but the veneration of him by the Irish media in particular has gone over the top. He has a habit of issuing statements that cause panic, without adding caveats or corrections.

Last week he said he was worried about young people catching the disease.

Today a study by HIQA demonstrates the risk of young people passing it on is minimal.

Maybe some journalist can ask Tony to clarify or update his position on young people becoming infected.

Stark · 13-05-2020 03:37PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Quite possibly. Although I could see that changing potentially if things are looking in a good place.

Realistically say in July if EU borders are open and theres flights running out of Irish airports theres nothing to stop any of us actually going abroad

As long as you're within 20km of the airport

13-05-2020 03:39PM

ixoy wrote: »

Sure the same logic could then be applied to any criticism of any leader, including the Taoiseach.

Yes, but Tony Holohan is being talked about by some like he is some sort of dictator with broad executive powers across all areas of society, while the reality is outside his direct role as Chief Executive of the HSE, with administrative executive power for that organisation, all other powers are essentially advisory

13-05-2020 03:49PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Germany and others possibly will have international borders open a month before we can travel more than 20km inside our own county or to another county

Our international border is closed?

Penfailed · 13-05-2020 04:09PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Realistically say in July if EU borders are open and theres flights running out of Irish airports theres nothing to stop any of us actually going abroad

Realistically, there's nothing to stop you going abroad tomorrow. There's flights leaving daily from Dublin.

marno21 · 13-05-2020 04:10PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Germany and others possibly will have international borders open a month before we can travel more than 20km inside our own county or to another county

Indeed. Right now countries in the south of Europe are preparing to reopen their tourism industries meanwhile I can’t drive to Ballinhassig (7km away)

Hard to envision major change in this country with that mindset

Penfailed · 13-05-2020 04:11PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Our international border is closed?

By the end of play today, I'll have crossed it four times

the kelt · 13-05-2020 04:14PM

What i cant get my head around is the mentality of those who dont dare question or deviate or think for themselves but just listen to whats being fed to them and nothing else.

I mean i was listening to Leo Varadkar today and when he spoke about the HIQA report and admitted that it looks like kids arent super spreaders etc. He admitted it wouldnt reflect well on us if we were the last people able to open our schools and childcare facilities.

I looked at the clip of him speaking and i said "ye know what, fair play" because hes right. He spoke about learning about the virus etc the further we go along the journey and as we learn more, more things change.

Hes right, dead right yet some cant grasp that.

For example at the very start of this the first thing we closed was the schools due to the fact that kids were super spreaders, that turns out not to be the case as Leo admitted today. But at the time it was absoloutely the right thing to do.

The more we have learned about the virus the less deadly it has gotten, it isnt going to kill 100k in Sweden for example and as we are learning from other countries lockdown is not the only game in town.

I mean according to some on here they have a logic that (a) this is a deadly virus that will kill not only the old and is unbelievably contagious, yet the said same people tell you (b) there wasnt really a lockdown and whatever lockdown there was, wasnt really adhered to much at all. I mean they dont even realise the irony of their claims when you look at how we have managed to almost suppress it in the community despite the fact scenario (a) and scenario (b) cant really co exist!

People should be rejoicing when they see other countries easing lockdown restrictions and being successful yet they spend most of their time frantically googling how can they prove its a bad idea!! I dont get that.

The same when Sweden is mentioned, i mean wouldnt it be great if the Swedish approach is successful, why are people hell bent on hoping and praying it wont be?

Fair play to Leo today, he accepted things change which means some of the restrictions may not be necessary for as long etc.

We have had enough fear. Time to start looking forward without fear.

Nermal · 13-05-2020 04:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, but Tony Holohan is being talked about by some like he is some sort of dictator with broad executive powers across all areas of society, while the reality is outside his direct role as Chief Executive of the HSE, with administrative executive power for that organisation, all other powers are essentially advisory

The government has stated on more than one occasion that it simply implements whatever he advises, so de-facto he does have power.

Ministerial-led gerontocratic rebellion regarding over-70s being allowed to exercise being the only exception to this we know of.

is_that_so · 13-05-2020 04:22PM

Nermal wrote: »

The government has stated on more than one occasion that it simply implements whatever he advises, so de-facto he does have power.

Ministerial-led gerontocratic rebellion regarding over-70s being allowed to exercise being the only exception to this we know of.

You'd expect a level of greater divergence as we move through the phases, especially as individual industries make their cases.

Ginger n Lemon · 13-05-2020 04:31PM

the kelt wrote: »

People should be rejoicing when they see other countries easing lockdown restrictions and being successful yet they spend most of their time frantically googling how can they prove its a bad idea!! I dont get that.

The same when Sweden is mentioned, i mean wouldnt it be great if the Swedish approach is successful, why are people hell bent on hoping and praying it wont be?

We have had enough fear. Time to start looking forward without fear.

Yeah, then they link you an island in Japan that you never heard about who went into 2nd lockdown and say "Aha! There, there is the mighty 2nd wave!"

Total cases on that island (1st + 2nd wave) = 984. Total population: 5,281,000

Talk about putting 2nd wave discussion to bed.

Good to hear about Leo. He could be a villain turn hero with a bit of courage. He isnt a hero we deserve, but the one we need.

thegetawaycar · 13-05-2020 04:32PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

EU looking to get travel within the EU moving again as soon as.

The EU is proposing a three-stage approach, starting with the current situation in which most non-essential travel across borders is banned.

In the next phase, the EU wants border restrictions lifted between countries and regions at a similar stage of the pandemic, and where the health situation is improving.

In the final phase, all coronavirus-related border controls would be lifted and travel permitted throughout Europe once again.

Brussels is urging governments to consider economic and social factors as well as health as they weigh up reopening their borders

Unless the EU do more to support financially I don't think they should be deciding when each country opens borders. If they want to cover costs of checks etc... then I'd expect they have some say

Countries went their own way when closing borders without EU go ahead and I expect the re-opening to be the same

stephenjmcd · 13-05-2020 04:41PM

Leo has his say on what the EU came out with today
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/taoiseach-says-prospect-of-air-travel-is-months-rather-than-weeks-away-999322.html

boring accountant · 13-05-2020 04:45PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Realistically, there's nothing to stop you going abroad tomorrow. There's flights leaving daily from Dublin.

Whether you’ll make it to the airport before being turned around by the Gardai is still a major question mark.

There’s also the fear of being stranded if the rules change mid holiday

Penfailed · 13-05-2020 04:52PM

boring accountant wrote: »

Whether you’ll make it to the airport before being turned around by the Gardai is still a major question mark.

There’s also the fear of being stranded if the rules change mid holiday

Good point.

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