Is it just me or have SF vanished?

maccored · 13-05-2020 12:21PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What are you going to do?

call you a hardman and not answer any questions

blanch152 · 13-05-2020 12:26PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What's the implied threat here from you and Redgirl?

Why wouldn't someone say it to your face? What are you going to do?

No threat at all.

All I am saying is that the hardmen behind such statements are too ashamed of what they are saying to say it publicly.

I know quite a few republicans and you would never hear them repeat in public the kind of disgusting stuff that is regularly said about Mairia Cahill around here, neither do they engage in the silly nonsensical defence of all things Sinn Fein. All of them were pure disgusted at that homophobic racist councillor from Tallaght and wanted him gone.

blanch152 · 13-05-2020 12:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I mean trying to goad people into reveling their identity is a really weak method of debate (and i suspect againest rules?)

Surely you have basic standreds for your own posts

Not trying to goad anyone into revealing their identity. Incorrect conclusion from you.

FrancieBrady · 13-05-2020 12:31PM

blanch152 wrote: »

No threat at all.

All I am saying is that the hardmen behind such statements are too ashamed of what they are saying to say it publicly.

I know quite a few republicans and you would never hear them repeat in public the kind of disgusting stuff that is regularly said about Mairia Cahill around here, neither do they engage in the silly nonsensical defence of all things Sinn Fein. All of them were pure disgusted at that homophobic racist councillor from Tallaght and wanted him gone.

I thought you said they are afraid to say stuff in 'public' but then you quote one that said something you think is 'homophobic and racist'...in PUBLIC.

Come on blanch, a wee bit of consistency would be good.

McMurphy · 13-05-2020 12:47PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I thought you said they are afraid to say stuff in 'public' but then you quote one that said something you think is 'homophobic and racist'...in PUBLIC.

Come on blanch, a wee bit of consistency would be good.

Consistency?

They posted within minutes of each other that Mairia was both a dissident republican (but only for a wee while) and not a dissident republican.

Despite Cahill admitting she was indeed a dissident republican, and that being one was a mistake.

Mairia Cahill ‘regrets’ joining dissident Republicans

Blanch seems confused.

Redgirl82 · 13-05-2020 12:48PM

So far after less than 5 posts from me the Sinn Fein supporters have pointed fingers at

FG
FF
Labour
Paul Quinn Family
Maria Cahill
Churches
Scouting Ireland
Swim Ireland

Seriously, do you think you have an issue? who else are you going to cast aspersions in the name of Sinn Fein?

Finger pointing politics.

McMurphy · 13-05-2020 12:52PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

So far after less than 5 posts from me the Sinn Fein supporters have pointed fingers at

FG
FF
Labour
Paul Quinn Family
Maria Cahill
Churches
Scouting Ireland
Swim Ireland

Seriously, do you think you have an issue? who else are you going to cast aspersions in the name of Sinn Fein?

Finger pointing politics.

You left out dissident republicans.

FrancieBrady · 13-05-2020 01:03PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

So far after less than 5 posts from me the Sinn Fein supporters have pointed fingers at

FG
FF
Labour
Paul Quinn Family
Maria Cahill
Churches
Scouting Ireland
Swim Ireland

Seriously, do you think you have an issue? who else are you going to cast aspersions in the name of Sinn Fein?

Finger pointing politics.

Eh...I called SF's handling of Liam Adams 'appalling and wrong'. It was you who looked for others who had similar issues.

Have you posted how you feel about the ones above?

Mortelaro · 13-05-2020 01:06PM

Redgirl82 wrote: »

So far after less than 5 posts from me the Sinn Fein supporters have pointed fingers at

FG
FF
Labour
Paul Quinn Family
Maria Cahill
Churches
Scouting Ireland
Swim Ireland

Seriously, do you think you have an issue? who else are you going to cast aspersions in the name of Sinn Fein?

Finger pointing politics.

Frankly,Republicans priorities are to defend Sinn Féin
Abhorrence of Rape,even admittance of a cover up of Rape or any sympathy for victims doesn't compute alongside that

https://www.newstalk.com/news/dublin-rape-crisis-centre-criticises-claims-that-maria-cahill-was-complicit-in-her-alleged-abuse-685103

FrancieBrady · 13-05-2020 01:13PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Frankly,Republicans priorities are to defend Sinn Féin

Sure Mort.

I called SF's handling of Liam Adams 'appalling and wrong'.

Mortelaro · 13-05-2020 01:15PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sure Mort.

Oh? Are you a Republican?
Jeeze we finally got it out of you....

FrancieBrady · 13-05-2020 01:20PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Oh? Are you a Republican?
Jeeze we finally got it out of you....

What?

I never said I was anything else.

Mortelaro · 13-05-2020 01:28PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What?

I never said I was anything else.

Ah yeah, this is the first time I've seen you implicitly say so
The mar dhea arms length, pro Sinn Féin to the exclusion of all others posting will never be the same again
You're literally type cast from now on

FrancieBrady · 13-05-2020 01:32PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Ah yeah, this is the first time I've seen you implicitly say so
The mar dhea arms length, pro Sinn Féin to the exclusion of all others posting will never be the same again
You're literally type cast from now on

You haven't been paying attention. That's your problem.

I have said many times that I am a republican. Most people living in this republic are.
What are you?

Mortelaro · 13-05-2020 01:36PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You haven't been paying attention. That's your problem.

I have said many times that I am a republican. Most people living in this republic are.
What are you?

Ah deflection:)

Runaways · 13-05-2020 01:42PM

This nonsense is nauseating so if you’re a Republican you support rape ? would you people ever get a grip

Does this make FF party of rapists they are the Republican party after all

FrancieBrady · 13-05-2020 01:42PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Ah deflection:)

You deflected the thread to me. I am just asking you are you a republican? If not, what would you prefer? Monarchy, Oligarchy etc etc.
Only fair if you make an issue of me.

FrancieBrady · 13-05-2020 02:04PM

Runaways wrote: »

This nonsense is nauseating so if you’re a Republican you support rape ? would you people ever get a grip

Does this make FF party of rapists they are the Republican party after all

Somebody does or says something wrong in SF = All republicans are like that.
Somebody does something wrong in FF or FG = Isolated incident or it's not wrong at all.

Rinse repeat.

Mortelaro · 13-05-2020 02:07PM

I appreciate the best deflection is to move the thread along with pages of irrelevancy
Your question is interesting from that perspective because it betrays your uncofortableness of being questioned about it if it threatens the pretence of being an ordinary voter as opposed to being an activist poster
That's my view
I'm not alone in that obviously

To answer,I'm a citizen of the Irish Republic,the Republic of Ireland
I would like to see northern Ireland merge into the Republic and hope to in my lifetime
I am not though like most of the country a Republican as constituted by Sinn Féin and the IRA focused on their history and actions, just as much as I'm not a member of the Republican party in the USA

FrancieBrady · 13-05-2020 02:12PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

I appreciate the best deflection is to move the thread along with pages of irrelevancy
Your question is interesting from that perspective because it betrays your uncofortableness of being questioned about it if it threatens the pretence of being an ordinary voter as opposed to being an activist poster
That's my view
I'm not alone in that obviously

You...ONLY you deflected to me.

To answer,I'm a citizen of the Irish Republic,the Republic of Ireland
I would like to see northern Ireland merge into the Republic and hope to in my lifetime
I am not though like most of the country a Republican as constituted by Sinn Féin and the IRA focused on their history and actions, just as much as I'm not a member of the Republican party in the USA

So no answer just vagueness in order to have a pop.

No need to deflect anymore. I get it.

Mortelaro · 13-05-2020 02:24PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You...ONLY you deflected to me.

So no answer just vagueness in order to have a pop.

No need to deflect anymore. I get it.

I didn't deflect to you at all,I made a point about Republicans initially but pointing out along the way how your post in reply,invalidated any credibility in any future post you may make with a pretence to be independent

FrancieBrady · 13-05-2020 02:37PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

I didn't deflect to you at all,I made a point about Republicans initially but pointing out along the way how your post in reply,invalidated any credibility in any future post you may make with a pretence to be independent

I have always said I am a republican.
You posted insinuating I hid that, you were wrong.
Rather than admit you were wrong you double down and say now that something I have never hidden is going to 'invalidate' what I say, in the future??

You have said you live in a republic. Fair enough.

blanch152 · 13-05-2020 02:51PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

I didn't deflect to you at all,I made a point about Republicans initially but pointing out along the way how your post in reply,invalidated any credibility in any future post you may make with a pretence to be independent

To be fair to Francie, he has never hidden the claim that he is a republican, but with the ability to be an independent judge of Sinn Fein and what they do. Take that as you will.

To me, credibility rests in what is in a post and the content of it. I'll leave it to you to make your judgment on credibility of his or mine or anyone else's post, that it what we all do.

FrancieBrady · 13-05-2020 02:52PM

blanch152 wrote: »

To be fair to Francie, he has never hidden the claim that he is a republican, but with the ability to be an independent judge of Sinn Fein and what they do. Take that as you will.

To me, credibility rests in what is in a post and the content of it. I'll leave it to you to make your judgment on credibility of his or mine or anyone else's post, that it what we all do.

Thread is not about me blanch, thank you very much.

blanch152 · 13-05-2020 02:56PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Thread is not about me blanch, thank you very much.

Was only trying to end the discussion back and forth between you and the other poster.

markodaly · 13-05-2020 02:57PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Factually wrong to compare what happened the UUP vote to what happened the SDLP vote.

As stated, the SF vote grew steadily through the conflict/war of the 90's. The UUP vote collapsed when they agreed to the GFA.
We know why this happened to the UUP.

The balkanisation of the North was a well known political term from the start of the '00s to now.

The two extremist parties now control the assembly and it was as much about fear and loathing about the other side than anything to do with policies.

No they didn't capitulate

Oh, so you are telling me that the British no longer control NI?

The myth of the Provo campaign is that they actually lost the war. The British army still remains in the North and if one casts their eye back to the start of the PIRA in the 70's you will see that this was their first and primary aim, an aim they failed to achieve.

The rest of it is just window dressing for a new audience.

Not backed up by the data.

It is. When the PIRA stopped killing people, support for SF grew.
Who knew that murdering people was harmful to one's electoral success

FrancieBrady · 13-05-2020 03:10PM

markodaly wrote: »

The balkanisation of the North was a well known political term from the start of the '00s to now.

The two extremist parties now control the assembly and it was as much about fear and loathing about the other side than anything to do with policies.

It was a phrase first used by The SDLP's Seamus Mallon I believe and like his other trite summary (The GFA was Sunningdale for slow learners) it totally lacks nuance and is grounded in his bitterness at losing out as well as being factually untrue. The UUP's vote crashed because Unionists believed the capitulated/surrendered/sold out.
Sinn Fein's vote grew through the conflict.

Oh, so you are telling me that the British no longer control NI?
The myth of the Provo campaign is that they actually lost the war. The British army still remains in the North and if one casts their eye back to the start of the PIRA in the 70's you will see that this was their first and primary aim, an aim they failed to achieve.

The rest of it is just window dressing for a new audience.

The conflict/war ended in a recognised stalemate.

I asked this before: what military campaign ever started with slogans or an aim with the words 'We might....' ?

Personally I am glad the IRA evolved and had the ability to change tack...are you not? I am also glad and congratulate the British for changing tack and signing the GFA, a signal moment for the Irish nation as a whole. Are you not?

It is. When the PIRA stopped killing people, support for SF grew.
Who knew that murdering people was harmful to one's electoral success

I presented the data to show SF support growing all through the 90's elections when the conflict was still raging, bombs were destroying the heart of Engalnd etc.
So please back up your opinion similarly.

blanch152 · 13-05-2020 03:18PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The conflict/war ended in a recognised stalemate.

.

The terrorist campaign ended with the UK still in control of the North. That is not a stalemate.

Edgware · 13-05-2020 03:36PM

blanch152 wrote: »

The terrorist campaign ended with the UK still in control of the North. That is not a stalemate.

And SF/IRA members were officially on the British payroll. Less of the handover of bundles of banknotes in a pub carpark

FrancieBrady · 13-05-2020 03:38PM

blanch152 wrote: »

The terrorist campaign ended with the UK still in control of the North. That is not a stalemate.

It ended when Britain signed the GFA.

When the IRA got the assurances they needed they decommissioned.

That is not a surrender or defeat or a win, it is a negotiated settlement when stalemate was arrived at imo. The British had to agree...then the arms were put beyond use.

I know you need the victory for your version of history, but those are the facts.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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