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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #3272
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Stheno wrote: »
    They said today they are going to broaden the criteria further

    Personally I think at this stage the antibody testing is equally important especially given how strict the testing criteria were

    Yeah I'd definitely see an uptake for the antibody testing. It'll have a higher demand for sure.


  • #3273
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    From a study of data from symptom tracking app users

    'Two-thirds of those who later tested positive for the virus — about 15,000 people — had self-reported the loss of taste and smell, the study found. Fever and cough — symptoms that have been considered the most reliable indicators of infection — ranked fourth and fifth on the list.'

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/11/health/coronavirus-symptoms-app.html


  • #3274
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    I agree with you 100%.

    But will they do it ?

    Preserving the common travel area between Britain and Ireland seem to be of more importance than keeping the virus out of the country... unfortunately.

    No northern hemisphere country actually does this. Slovakia comes closest, where you are detained in quarantine until you have a test, and Romania detains people in quarantine from certain counties. Every other country does what we do (and will shortly be able to enforce) which is 14 day self quarantine, checked on by the authorities.

    Difference with Ireland is that, unlike many (though by no mean all) European counties, we do not limit arrivals to residents or citizens.

    We aren’t going to go out on a limb here and do something different to all our European partners. Institutional mandatory quarantine will never be on the table here

    The test upon arrival in Austria is there to allow you to bypass even the 14 day self-quarantine


  • #3275
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    I agree with you 100%.

    But will they do it ?

    Preserving the common travel area between Britain and Ireland seem to be of more importance than keeping the virus out of the country... unfortunately.

    I dont know, I suspect not which is a disgrace

    In the briefing tonight Tony did appear to indicate he thought it should happen. He made a reference to not allowing travellers in from a neighbouring country which is not doing well to a country that is doing well and importing cases

    Those are my words it's not a verbatim transcript of what he said


  • #3276
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    No northern hemisphere country actually does this. Slovakia comes closest, where you are detained in quarantine until you have a test, and Romania detains people in quarantine from certain counties. Every other country does what we do (and will shortly be able to enforce) which is 14 day self quarantine, checked on by the authorities.

    Difference with Ireland is that, unlike many (though by no mean all) European counties, we do not limit arrivals to residents or citizens.

    We aren’t going to go out on a limb here and do something different to all our European partners. Institutional mandatory quarantine will never be on the table here

    Plenty of European countries closed their borders full stop though

    At the least I'd like everyone tested, that seems a good compromise


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  • #3277
    pinkyeye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭pinkyeye


    Huge failure, our entire nursing home were tested on 1st May, results still trickling through. I received my result today. We're still awaiting 14 results.

    Absolutely pointless now, if anyone has it it's already been spread.


  • #3278
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,401 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    98.6% of Covid-19 cases having a fever is an enormous amount... and that is why temperature screening is so important in order to detect active virus cases.

    I don't know the man, so I am not in a position to judge if he is making things up or not.

    But to come up with a position on temperature screening that flies in the face of all accepted international screening methods is certainly curious.

    Perhaps he does not want to be proved wrong yet again ?
    98.6% of hospitalised cases had a fever, key word... Hospitalised.
    They are hardly going to be flying on planes if they were that sick they required admission to hospital.


  • #3279
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No northern hemisphere country actually does this. Slovakia comes closest, where you are detained in quarantine until you have a test, and Romania detains people in quarantine from certain counties. Every other country does what we do (and will shortly be able to enforce) which is 14 day self quarantine, checked on by the authorities.

    Difference with Ireland is that, unlike many (though by no mean all) European counties, we do not limit arrivals to residents or citizens.

    We aren’t going to go out on a limb here and do something different to all our European partners. Institutional mandatory quarantine will never be on the table here

    The test upon arrival in Austria is there to allow you to bypass even the 14 day self-quarantine

    Cavan and Leitrim?


  • #3280
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Stheno wrote: »
    Plenty of European countries closed their borders full stop though

    At the least I'd like everyone tested, that seems a good compromise

    No one has them closed to their own nationals and residents.

    https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/international-travel-document-news/1580226297.htm

    I think we have what we need.....it just needs to be enforced (though don’t know what, if anything, can be done about the border).


  • #3281
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    pinkyeye wrote: »
    Huge failure, our entire nursing home were tested on 1st May, results still trickling through. I received my result today. We're still awaiting 14 results.

    Absolutely pointless now, if anyone has it it's already been spread.

    If we consider that the reported 4 deaths in homes in early February were indeed Covid-19 and we then agree that at this time SIMON didn't even know what it was (tongue in cheek). The two weeks before the first case, nurses, catering staff, residents etc, all carried it about on and into other care homes, then of course, no one is surprised at all, it;s a disaster.


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  • #3282
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    I for one am extremely excited for our antibody testing. I hope they get this right and sample appropriately early while also going wide spread in the short-medium term. This will be telling.


  • #3283
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Miike wrote: »
    I for one am extremely excited for our antibody testing. I hope they get this right and sample appropriately early while also going wide spread in the short-medium term. This will be telling.

    When will this be rolled out?


  • #3284
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    giveitholly wrote: »
    When will this be rolled out?

    June supposedly. I forget the specific week/date they gave :o


  • #3285
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    coastwatch wrote:
    Vienna Airport now offering the PCR test for arrivals at cost of €190, to avoid the 14 day quarantine. Test result available within 3 hours.
    Sounds like a good idea.
    Only open Monday to Friday 9-5 though. I wonder what their capacity is.


  • #3286
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    GazzaL wrote:
    Nearly 8 weeks later, after repeated promises, the HSE are only at 50-60,000 test per week. They have repeatedly failed to hit the target, a target which they set themselves.
    The capacity is at 90,000 a week and is increasing.

    The 40-50,000 tests carried out a week isn't a failure. It means capacity outwieghs demand.

    The amount of tests carried out depends on the number of people referred from their GP.


  • #3287
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,635 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    https://twitter.com/ITVWales/status/1260245687280775174


  • #3288
    jammiedodgers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Cavan and Leitrim?

    They were quarantining them before the virus!


  • #3289
    coastwatch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭coastwatch


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Sounds like a good idea.
    Only open Monday to Friday 9-5 though. I wonder what their capacity is.

    Limited capacity, you have a book in advance.
    It's intended to facilitate essential travel.
    Testing is available for departures too which is probably a better idea, so you could bring your negative results cert to show at the destination country (if they accept it). Maybe this is what the future of long haul international air travel looks like for a few years.

    Interesting that they can even setup a small testing and analysis lab at an airport, that can turn around results in 3 hours.

    You know much more about the testing equipment and process, but if this virus is going to be around for a long time, maybe we should be looking at having smaller local testing labs, same day appointment and results.


  • #3290
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Didn't Singapore have a good method of dealing with this virus. Did they have a tracing app?

    Why on earth don't we have something like this here in Ireland? Why are they still giving out this east, south and west sh1te? Can they not just tell us where the cases are happening? It will go a long way of helping.


  • #3291
    coastwatch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭coastwatch


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/ITVWales/status/1260245687280775174

    Thanks, thats brilliant
    ".. all my children are pensioners"

    He's a real tonic.


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  • #3292
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Didn't Singapore have a good method of dealing with this virus. Did they have a tracing app?

    Why on earth don't we have something like this here in Ireland? Why are they still giving out this east, south and west sh1te? Can they not just tell us where the cases are happening? It will go a long way of helping.
    Based on our own discussion a significant proportion would not wish to use it if/when one is available


  • #3293
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Hospital and ICU occupancy stats since the 13th April:-

    Day
    | Date |
    Hospital Occupancy
    | Change +/- |
    ICU occupancy
    | Change +/-
    45
    | 13/04/2020 |
    879
    | N/A |
    144
    | N/A
    46
    | 14/04/2020 |
    864
    | -2% |
    147
    | 2%
    47
    | 15/04/2020 |
    846
    | -2% |
    142
    | -3%
    48
    | 16/04/2020 |
    839
    | -1% |
    138
    | -3%
    49
    | 17/04/2020 |
    798
    | -5% |
    132
    | -4%
    50
    | 18/04/2020 |
    816
    | 2% |
    140
    | 6%
    51
    | 19/04/2020 |
    837
    | 3% |
    138
    | -1%
    52
    | 20/04/2020 |
    797
    | -5% |
    138
    | 0%
    53
    | 21/04/2020 |
    770
    | -3% |
    132
    | -4%
    54
    | 22/04/2020 |
    751
    | -2% |
    130
    | -2%
    55
    | 23/04/2020 |
    729
    | -3% |
    123
    | -5%
    56
    | 24/04/2020 |
    733
    | 1% |
    118
    | -4%
    57
    | 25/04/2020 |
    749
    | 2% |
    123
    | 4%
    58
    | 26/04/2020 |
    770
    | 3% |
    120
    | -2%
    59
    | 27/04/2020 |
    752
    | -2% |
    117
    | -3%
    60
    | 28/04/2020 |
    745
    | -1% |
    113
    | -3%
    61
    | 29/04/2020 |
    743
    | 0% |
    103
    | -9%
    62
    | 30/04/2020 |
    727
    | -2% |
    105
    | 2%
    63
    | 01/05/2020 |
    706
    | -3% |
    99
    | -6%
    64
    | 02/05/2020 |
    688
    | -3% |
    98
    | -1%
    65
    | 03/05/2020 |
    665
    | -3% |
    93
    | -5%
    66
    | 04/05/2020 |
    680
    | 2% |
    91
    | -2%
    67
    | 05/05/2020 |
    651
    | -4% |
    90
    | -1%
    68
    | 06/05/2020 |
    618
    | -5% |
    82
    | -9%
    69
    | 07/05/2020 |
    569
    | -8% |
    76
    | -7%
    70
    | 08/05/2020 |
    535
    | -6% |
    72
    | -5%
    71
    | 09/05/2020 |
    543
    | 1% |
    72
    | 0%
    72
    | 10/05/2020 |
    545
    | 0% |
    72
    | 0%
    73
    | 11/05/2020 |
    529
    | -3% |
    72
    | 0%
    74
    | 12/05/2020 |
    NR
    | N/A |
    71
    | -1%


  • #3294
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    NHK (Japanese TV) conducted an experiment in collaboration with infectious disease experts to demonstrate how quickly COVID-19 and other viruses can spread at a buffet aboard a cruise ship or in a restaurant.

    The experiment recreated a buffet scenario common in the travel industry. Ten participants were asked to serve themselves from a display that featured various hot and cold dishes as well as beverage options.

    Invisible fluorescent paint — visible only under a black light — was applied to the palm of one person. That person represented an “infected” person who had coughed into his hand. The paint represented the virus.

    All the participants were allowed to enjoy the buffet freely for 30 minutes.



    In 30 min the paint had transferred to every individual and was on the faces of 3 !

    Looks like buffets are a 'no no' while Covid-19 is doing the rounds. :eek:


  • #3295
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,399 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Miike wrote: »
    I for one am extremely excited for our antibody testing. I hope they get this right and sample appropriately early while also going wide spread in the short-medium term. This will be telling.

    First time for everything


  • #3296
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Beasty wrote: »
    Based on our own discussion a significant proportion would not wish to use it if/when one is available

    That's very disappointing to read. It would be hugely beneficial to stamping down on the virus.

    My mother started coughing yesterday evening. It's not a heavy or deep cough. It's not continuous. There's no temperature. It's very mild. It's not all the time. It s a cough here and there. The woman would need to be floored with her legs falling off before she would isolate herself into her room. She's following the guidelines as we all are in the family. Tracing her steps back over the past 14 days, and she's only been to the post office one day and to the shop another day.

    If we had any indication it was in the locality, it would be easier.


  • #3297
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    coastwatch wrote:
    Interesting that they can even setup a small testing and analysis lab at an airport, that can turn around results in 3 hours.

    You know much more about the testing equipment and process, but if this virus is going to be around for a long time, maybe we should be looking at having smaller local testing labs, same day appointment and results.
    I'd be interested to know what platform they're using to have that turnaround time.

    Our labs are understaffed as it is. Setting up new labs from scratch would require a large investment in diagnostic laboratory services that is long overdue.

    We wanted to have cytology labs dedicated to Cervical Check services. A third level course was implemented specifically for this purpose and it was outsourced instead. Labs closed, staff redeployed.


  • #3298
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    627 deaths in the UK.

    They thought they had crushed that bloody virus only on Sunday.


  • #3299
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    NHK (Japanese TV) conducted an experiment in collaboration with infectious disease experts to demonstrate how quickly COVID-19 and other viruses can spread at a buffet aboard a cruise ship or in a restaurant.

    The experiment recreated a buffet scenario common in the travel industry. Ten participants were asked to serve themselves from a display that featured various hot and cold dishes as well as beverage options.

    Invisible fluorescent paint — visible only under a black light — was applied to the palm of one person. That person represented an “infected” person who had coughed into his hand. The paint represented the virus.

    All the participants were allowed to enjoy the buffet freely for 30 minutes.



    In 30 min the paint had transferred to every individual and was on the faces of 3 !

    Looks like buffets are a 'no no' while Covid-19 is doing the rounds. :eek:


    Always hated buffets but now it's not just the food that will kill you.


  • #3300
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Didn't Singapore have a good method of dealing with this virus. Did they have a tracing app?

    Why on earth don't we have something like this here in Ireland? Why are they still giving out this east, south and west sh1te? Can they not just tell us where the cases are happening? It will go a long way of helping.

    On primetime now.

    HSE app


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  • #3301
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Imagine how many text/WhatsApp messages have been sent between male secondary school students, simply containing the question, "When is your Mother reopening?"


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