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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #3182
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Well, that lad from journal.ie can come back again. Three good questions.


  • #3183
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Journalists seem to be asking more critical/specific questions than usual. Good to see.


  • #3184
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Reading between the lines of what De Gascun is saying is that HSE's IT infrastructure could be better. And saw this yesterday. This day and age you'd expect the health system to have as sophisticated an IT system as possible.


    https://twitter.com/susmitchellSBP/status/1259870669103382528
    Nah, it's an IT thing of different sites running their own infrastructure approaches. Getting to common ground is a project you would wish on someone else!


  • #3185
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Re: Only 44000 cases. Community transmission is so low at this stage that it's very likely that testing capacity not being fulfilled is simply due to a lack of demand and no need to be testing 90,000 people.


  • #3186
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,151 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    For once I'm not watching the briefing - What were the decent questions.


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  • #3187
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,293 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Testing capacity is 90,000, yet tests done is 44,000. There's either 1) people not looking for referrals or 2) a delay somewhere

    The former according to Cillian de Gascun on the Tonight Show last night. They were expecting a surge of people looking for new tests but it never came.


  • #3188
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    marno21 wrote: »
    Re: Only 44000 cases. Community transmission is so low at this stage that it's very likely that testing capacity not being fulfilled is simply due to a lack of demand and no need to be testing 90,000 people.
    I'm trying to be positive as that's fantastic obviously, but surely we should be trying to get up to that 100,000 tested per week, as we can really judge the situation .


  • #3189
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    If the turnaround for testing is 5 - 7 days and there is a 2 day delay in NEPHET reporting, the 105 cases are from at least a week ago.


  • #3190
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I'm trying to be positive as that's fantastic obviously, but surely we should be trying to get up to that 100,000 tested per week, as we can really judge the situation .
    That capacity may well be used for community testing.


  • #3191
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That capacity may well be used for community testing.
    It surely has to be.


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  • #3192
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Strazdas wrote: »
    The former according to Cillian de Gascun on the Tonight Show last night. They were expecting a surge of people looking for new tests but it never came.

    Think De Gascun said earlier that case definition would be widened again soon and maybe encourage GP to refer people even if they don't strictly meet case definition. But I could have picked him up wrong.


  • #3193
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    s1ippy wrote: »
    If the turnaround for testing is 5 - 7 days and there is a 2 day delay in NEPHET reporting, the 105 cases are from at least a week ago.
    Probably not 7 days ago. In the community it may be 5-7 days, which includes the contact tracing. In hospitals inside 24 hours.


  • #3194
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    marno21 wrote: »
    Re: Only 44000 cases. Community transmission is so low at this stage that it's very likely that testing capacity not being fulfilled is simply due to a lack of demand and no need to be testing 90,000 people.
    The case definition is still incredibly narrow.
    A patient with acute respiratory infection (sudden onset of at least one of the following: cough,
    fever1, shortness of breath) AND with no other aetiology that fully explains the clinical
    presentation
    OR
    A patient with any acute respiratory illness AND having been in close contact2 with a confirmed
    or probable COVID-19 case in the last 14 days prior to symptom onset;
    OR
    A patient with severe acute respiratory infection (fever and at least one sign/symptom of
    respiratory disease (e.g. cough, fever, shortness of breath)) AND requiring hospitalisation
    (SARI) AND with no other aetiology that fully explains the clinical presentation.


  • #3195
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    It surely has to be.
    Yeah, there is a plan but no details on when it will start. Will be done by the end of June, I read from de Gascun.


  • #3196
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Reading between the lines of what De Gascun is saying is that HSE's IT infrastructure could be better. And saw this yesterday. This day and age you'd expect the health system to have as sophisticated an IT system as possible.


    https://twitter.com/susmitchellSBP/status/1259870669103382528

    What would all the skilled form fillers and data entry people do then?


  • #3197
    gipi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭gipi


    Gael23 wrote: »
    That could be down to post martens of those dying in nursing homes

    If they were confirmed Covid 19 patients, they're unlikely to have had a post mortem.

    Article in yesterday's Irish Times. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/postmortems-done-on-just-five-confirmed-covid-19-fatalities-1.4249898


  • #3198
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,293 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Think De Gascun said earlier that case definition would be widened again soon and maybe encourage GP to refer people even if they don't strictly meet case definition. But I could have picked him up wrong.

    He told Matt Cooper last night that last week the criteria was changed to only one Covid symptom. He thought there might be a sudden surge in people looking for tests but it has not materialised.


  • #3199
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    What would all the skilled form fillers and data entry people do then?

    I think there's more to administration staff in HSE than that to be fair.


  • #3200
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Thanks for that folks. Was almost sure they said before they weren't specifying figure less than 5 to prevent risk of identifying individual parents. Maybe they've changed their policy since.

    It appears some media report that way, but from day 1 the HPSC reports have given the figures.


  • #3201
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    s1ippy wrote: »
    The case definition is still incredibly narrow.
    They did say they intend to make it very broad but didn't pick up on when.
    This is a summary of a wide range of symptoms.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/05/06/850707907/from-loss-of-smell-to-covid-toes-what-experts-are-learning-about-symptoms


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  • #3202
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Strazdas wrote: »
    He told Matt Cooper last night that last week the criteria was changed to only one Covid symptom. He thought there might be a sudden surge in people looking for tests but it has not materialised.

    He seemed to suggest today that it would be widened even further.


  • #3203
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    GM228 wrote: »
    It appears some media report that way, but from day 1 the HPSC reports have given the figures.

    Yeah I was almost sure it was at one of these briefings that Holohan waent through figures and advised why cases were shown as * if less than 5. Maybe that's for last 24 hours. And HSPC ones for all cases up to certain date. I'm not too sure tbh


  • #3204
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Very surprised at the decent quality of question tonight. Long may it continue!


  • #3205
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    Deaths up again. Very sad to hear.


  • #3206
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    s1ippy wrote: »
    The case definition is still incredibly narrow.

    It's not really that narrow, all you need is 1 symptom, that's pretty broad


  • #3207
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Interesting comment on temperature checks and limitations of it as a test.


  • #3208
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Interesting comment on temperature checks and limitations of it as a test.

    What were those comments?


  • #3209
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Yeah I was almost sure it was at one of these briefings that Holohan waent through figures and advised why cases were shown as * if less than 5. Maybe that's for last 24 hours. And HSPC ones for all cases up to certain date. I'm not too sure tbh

    They were using the ≤ (less than or equal to) symbol when numbers were 5 or less but that was only in the daily reports I believe.


  • #3210
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,604 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Interesting comment on temperature checks and limitations of it as a test.

    With this in mind , will people travelling from Britain be exempt from quarantining when its introduced in this country?


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  • #3211
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Miike wrote: »
    What were those comments?
    The CMO pointed out they are important in certain care settings but may not be quite so reliable elsewhere. He gave an example of paracetamol dampening a fever. The question related to temperature testing for care homes.


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