Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

12-05-2020 05:56PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Flights are going to be an interesting topic.

If a country has gotten their numbers down or close to zero, then there is few , if any people who will be able to spread the virus. Taking in flights from any country could be the undoing of all that work. Without proper quarantine procedures and quick responses it seems like this will be the biggest issue with 2nd waves.

But its never really been (that I can see or hear) properly highlighted or at least its not discussed like the social distancing and mask wearing strategy's. Is it because of the economic impact of the airline industrys if they are highlighted as a serious issue for spread ? This is the only reason why I can think flights are basically not completely off the table.

Next to having a massive orgy with strangers, there arent many things worse then a flight that I can think of spreading it if you are infected, especially if you use public transport.

- Bus/Train to Airport
- Time in airport - shops, toilets, resterauts, pubs
- Time queing with passengers
- Time on plane - using toilet, walking around, even sneezing/coughing in one spot and the air being locked in
- Getting off plan again with loads of people (we have seen photos of the impracticality of social distancing on planes)
- Going through terminals,
- Getting public transport to hotel
- Checking into Hotel
- Using hotel bar/resteraunt

You could all these things in a few hours and its just impossible to work out how many people you might of infected.

But it feels like this is not really being discussed for economic and political reasons.

The counter argument might be the impractical nature of closing down flights/ports to tourists or business people who may need to do business in Ireland. I would say let business people in, but in a very restrictive manner. Tourism wont die as Irish people still need to go on holidays themselves so this should replace some of the lost tourism.

But regardless of the counter argument, there is no meaningful discussions on the impacts of flights. Really is a good reminder of how much discussion can be manipulated away from science for certain agendas.

I think that in Europe and other blocks of countries with strong business, social and economic ties, the impact of arrivals through airports is minimal when compared with the porous land borders that cannot possibly be policed. There is an article about it in the guardian today. It was easy for New Zealand to lock that down, as they have no other entry points. But in EU countries, cross border smuggling alone will be a much bigger entry point for the virus than airports. So it really does beg the question: whats the point?

PmMeUrDogs · 12-05-2020 05:57PM

24 deaths is awful, I was hoping to see less. I'd imagine it's partly from the weekend. Rest in peace to the deceased.

107 new cases though, damn. Great figure!

An Ciarraioch · 12-05-2020 05:57PM

Deaths up by 24, cases down to 107.

JP Liz V1 · 12-05-2020 05:57PM

24 more deaths RIP

stephenjmcd · 12-05-2020 05:58PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

24 new deaths RIP

107 new cases. Very low!!!!

Case criteria was changed a week ago, very good that cases haven't been growing

GM228 · 12-05-2020 05:58PM

107 new cases today and 24 deaths

Still holding out rounded at a steady 1% (0.5% today) daily increase day on day for the last nine days, NI is the same with a steady daily 1% for eight days in a row.

snowgal · 12-05-2020 05:59PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

24 new deaths RIP

107 new cases. Very low!!!!

yes its all moving positively, fingers crossed.
One thing I dont understand is these meat plant cases and the figures they were giving, have these been included over the past few days/weeks?

Stheno · 12-05-2020 06:00PM

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

24 deaths is awful, I was hoping to see less. I'd imagine it's partly from the weekend. Rest in peace to the deceased.

107 new cases though, damn. Great figure!

Deaths lag considerably likely from diagnosis 3-4 weeks ago

Also on Tuesdays there always seems to be a bit of a spike from the weekends

pjohnson · 12-05-2020 06:00PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

An interesting debunking discussion that was sent to me through a friend in Facebook, stating the most deaths could have been avoided if we boosted our immune systems with vitamin d, c and zinc and the use of the drug hydroxychloride. Perhaps more for the Conspiracy Theory Covid thread but give it a watch.

Strange why the loops still bother on youtube since they cant monetize on it.

Harry Palmr · 12-05-2020 06:02PM

The "Tuesday bump" is still clear and it's still as big as it ever was as a % but the trend is what matters,

Gael23 · 12-05-2020 06:03PM

Stheno wrote: »

Deaths lag considerably likely from diagnosis 3-4 weeks ago

Also on Tuesdays there always seems to be a bit of a spike from the weekends

That could be down to post martens of those dying in nursing homes

Hoffmans · 12-05-2020 06:04PM

Saw this earlier on FB from hse site

Age 15-24 ICU admissions 6
Deaths 2
Age 25-34 ICU admissions 14
Deaths 5
Age 34-44 ICU admissions 33
Deaths 10
Age 44-54 ICU admissions 78
Deaths 21
Age 54-64 ICU admissions 111
Deaths 52
Rip

Eod100 · 12-05-2020 06:04PM

44,000 tests taken place last week with positivity rate of 3.3%. It's a bit off the aimed for capacity of 100,000 by I think next week.

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1260253226701590528

bekker · 12-05-2020 06:05PM

Hmmzis wrote: »

If working from home gains more acceptance from employers in the long term (it's been slowly but surely happening even before the pandemic hit) I could well see myself changing my lifestyle. Would be better for my family mentally and probably physically as well.

Anecdotally speaking, in our office the productivity metrics have actually gone up since everyone got sent home.

Totally agree that a greater shift to working from home could prove most beneficial for the individual, and for society as a whole.

But there are significant downsides, requirement for separate lockable office space, self-disciplined application, cooperation and support from rest of household, accounting for running costs, insurance and tax liabilities to list but a few.

What can work as a short term emergency fix will not work in the longer term without considerable forethought and buy-in from all concerned.

If your setup works and there are no ongoing spousal or childmind problems, then it's great.

fred funk }{ · 12-05-2020 06:06PM

Don't forget the lag from infection to death can be up to a month so even when there are no new infections we will still see deaths for several weeks after.

ChikiChiki · 12-05-2020 06:06PM

hmmm wrote: »

A number of businesses are finding that staff enjoy working from home, and they are not seeing any productivity differences. If you're a CFO seeing this, it would make sense to seriously consider whether you need to have all the office space you currently have.

I don't expect offices to go back before 2021 realistically. It's going to be difficult to ask all your staff to get back on public transport/queue in traffic when they have become accustomed to working from home. I think the workplace of the future is going to be primarily remote, or possibly hybrid at best. Companies with everyone working in an office will be seen as dinosaurs.

In our company the transition has been seamless. We have a strong culture of of people allowed take initiative anyway and not be micromanaged. That is the exact sentiment. What is the point in having all this real estate around the globe when productivity has actually increased in these times.

Eod100 · 12-05-2020 06:07PM

Hoffmans wrote: »

Saw this earlier on FB from hse site

Age 15-24 ICU admissions 6
Deaths 2
Age 25-34 ICU admissions 14
Deaths 5
Age 34-44 ICU admissions 33
Deaths 10
Age 44-54 ICU admissions 78
Deaths 21
Age 54-64 ICU admissions 111
Deaths 52
Rip

I didn't think HSE was specifying exact figures when less than 5 deaths have taken place. Would you have a link by any chance?

XsApollo · 12-05-2020 06:07PM

Eod100 wrote: »

44,000 tests taken place last week with positivity rate of 3.3%. It's a bit off the aimed for capacity of 100,000 by I think next week.

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1260253226701590528

Have they had 100,000 referrals?
Do they give the number for the amount of referrals they get?

If we have capacity then we need to start sampling the general population.
Say pick a town of 20k people and test them all.

Shelle1234. · 12-05-2020 06:08PM

Onesea wrote: »

The predictions not going anywhere near what they expected. The models used to create these graphs is being ridiculed.. It honestly fells like most users here don't have access to the internet except this website

Because lockdown was implemented and reduced said predictions. How some people still dont get this I'd beyond me.

fritzelly · 12-05-2020 06:09PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I didn't think HSE was specifying exact figures when less than 5 deaths have taken place. Would you have a link by any chance?

It's in their daily reports

dundalkfc10 · 12-05-2020 06:10PM

Eod100 wrote: »

44,000 tests taken place last week with positivity rate of 3.3%. It's a bit off the aimed for capacity of 100,000 by I think next week.

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1260253226701590528

Then you see this

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/health-minister-simon-harris-turned-down-covid-19-tests-from-letsgetchecked-dfjw59hgx

expectationlost · 12-05-2020 06:10PM

12 hospitalised meat workers, 500 cases of covid

GM228 · 12-05-2020 06:10PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I didn't think HSE was specifying exact figures when less than 5 deaths have taken place. Would you have a link by any chance?

It's released in the daily HPSC Epidemiology reports, see page 7 of yesterdays report for example.

Eod100 · 12-05-2020 06:12PM

XsApollo wrote: »

Have they had 100,000 referrals?
Do they give the number for the amount of referrals they get?

If we have capacity then we need to start sampling the general population.
Say pick a town of 20k people and test them all.

De Gascun said capacity is up to 90,000 so might broaden out case definition again. That's a good sign.

Strazdas · 12-05-2020 06:12PM

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

24 deaths is awful, I was hoping to see less. I'd imagine it's partly from the weekend. Rest in peace to the deceased.

107 new cases though, damn. Great figure!

We're a little behind places like Switzerland and Austria (maybe two or three weeks) but going very much in the right direction.

XsApollo · 12-05-2020 06:12PM

XsApollo wrote: »

Have they had 100,000 referrals?
Do they give the number for the amount of referrals they get?

If we have capacity then we need to start sampling the general population.
Say pick a town of 20k people and test them all.

Well they just they had spare capacity,
So must not be getting referrals.

Eod100 · 12-05-2020 06:16PM

GM228 wrote: »

It's released in the daily HPSC Epidemiology reports, see page 7 of yesterdays report for example.

Thanks for that folks. Was almost sure they said before they weren't specifying figure less than 5 to prevent risk of identifying individual parents. Maybe they've changed their policy since.

branie2 · 12-05-2020 06:17PM

May the 24 people who died rest in peace

ACitizenErased · 12-05-2020 06:19PM

Testing capacity is 90,000, yet tests done is 44,000. There's either 1) people not looking for referrals or 2) a delay somewhere

Eod100 · 12-05-2020 06:19PM

Reading between the lines of what De Gascun is saying is that HSE's IT infrastructure could be better. And saw this yesterday. This day and age you'd expect the health system to have as sophisticated an IT system as possible.

https://twitter.com/susmitchellSBP/status/1259870669103382528

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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