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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #3122
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    Seamai wrote: »
    That blows the theory of Canadians being mild mannered an inoffensive out of the water.

    How do you make a Canadian apologize?

    Step on his foot...

    (boom boom)


  • #3123
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,604 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Drumpot wrote: »

    But regardless of the counter argument, there is no meaningful discussions on the impacts of flights. Really is a good reminder of how much discussion can be manipulated away from science for certain agendas.

    This was always going to be the way of things the longer this crisis went on. Leo was very much led by the science when this started off, not so much now. With this in mind I doubt Tony Holohan thinks resuming Air travel in July is a good idea, yet Leo saw fit to express hope that air travel could resume during this summer.
    There is going to be so much hassle involved, i wonder will a lot of people opt not to travel?


  • #3124
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    nacho libre wrote: »
    This was always going to be the way of things the longer this crisis went on. Leo was very much led by the science when this started off, not so much now. With this in mind I doubt Tony Holohan thinks resuming Air travel in July is a good idea, yet Leo saw fit to express hope that air travel could resume during this summer.
    There is going to be so much hassle involved, i wonder will a lot of people opt not to travel?
    That might also explain the rumblings about masks, as they are very lukewarm on them at best.


  • #3125
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Flights are going to be an interesting topic.

    If a country has gotten their numbers down or close to zero, then there is few , if any people who will be able to spread the virus. Taking in flights from any country could be the undoing of all that work. Without proper quarantine procedures and quick responses it seems like this will be the biggest issue with 2nd waves.

    But its never really been (that I can see or hear) properly highlighted or at least its not discussed like the social distancing and mask wearing strategy's. Is it because of the economic impact of the airline industrys if they are highlighted as a serious issue for spread ? This is the only reason why I can think flights are basically not completely off the table.

    Next to having a massive orgy with strangers, there arent many things worse then a flight that I can think of spreading it if you are infected, especially if you use public transport.

    - Bus/Train to Airport
    - Time in airport - shops, toilets, resterauts, pubs
    - Time queing with passengers
    - Time on plane - using toilet, walking around, even sneezing/coughing in one spot and the air being locked in
    - Getting off plan again with loads of people (we have seen photos of the impracticality of social distancing on planes)
    - Going through terminals,
    - Getting public transport to hotel
    - Checking into Hotel
    - Using hotel bar/resteraunt

    You could all these things in a few hours and its just impossible to work out how many people you might of infected.

    But it feels like this is not really being discussed for economic and political reasons.

    The counter argument might be the impractical nature of closing down flights/ports to tourists or business people who may need to do business in Ireland. I would say let business people in, but in a very restrictive manner. Tourism wont die as Irish people still need to go on holidays themselves so this should replace some of the lost tourism.

    But regardless of the counter argument, there is no meaningful discussions on the impacts of flights. Really is a good reminder of how much discussion can be manipulated away from science for certain agendas.
    There's little reasons why business meetings can't be done online. Quarantine measures are the only way forward from now.


  • #3126
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    nacho libre wrote: »
    This was always going to be the way of things the longer this crisis went on. Leo was very much led by the science when this started off, not so much now. With this in mind I doubt Tony Holohan thinks resuming Air travel in July is a good idea, yet Leo saw fit to express hope that air travel could resume during this summer.
    There is going to be so much hassle involved, i wonder will a lot of people opt not to travel?

    I think if flights start up again passenger numbers will be way down , for the rest of the year at the very least. Many people simply will not have the confidence to travel.


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  • #3127
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    owlbethere wrote: »
    There's little reasons why business meetings can't be done online. Quarantine measures are the only way forward from now.
    Most can but some of them need people in a room. We cannot quarantine forever.


  • #3128
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    nacho libre wrote: »
    This was always going to be the way of things the longer this crisis went on. Leo was very much led by the science when this started off, not so much now. With this in mind I doubt Tony Holohan thinks resuming Air travel in July is a good idea, yet Leo saw fit to express hope that air travel could resume during this summer.
    There is going to be so much hassle involved, i wonder will a lot of people opt not to travel?

    The government better get a move on implementing quarantine measures for arrivals or get fcuked out of government. The country voted and a sizable portion of the population don't want him there in government. He has to remember that going forward.


  • #3129
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    hmmm wrote: »
    Where's the benefit to any desk-bound organisation retooling their office space in order to bring back a socially-distanced 1/4 of their staff for what is a hopefully 12-18 month problem, many of whom probably won't want to come back (or travel on public transport). I find the whole idea that offices will come back, before a vaccine, just pie in the sky. It'll be remote working until a vaccine or some other breakthrough.

    In the longer term, it's hard to predict what happens, but after workers have been working from home for a year there will be an element of normality in that, and returning to an office will be seen as an imposition for many. I expect smart CFOs will look to make use of this, assuming that productivity numbers have held up. The commercial office with humans exhausted from commutes, packed into a noisy virus-spreading open plan space, looks a bit like an antiquated work practice.

    Whatever about multi-nationals leaving Ireland as a consequence, there is the bigger risk I think that a shift to remote working may mean that location is seen as less of an issue when hiring, which wouldn't be good for these various "hubs" we are trying to encourage in certain areas.

    Meanwhile, Dublin City Council will press ahead with stopping traffic going through the city centre in favour of pedestrianising, quoting traffic levels that will no longer exist. I know there are varying views on this, but my view is that they should pause until traffic volumes stabilise following this new remote working world to see what the best approach is.

    For example - will there be a need for Bus Connects? With significant numbers remote working at any one time, the impact on traffic volumes will be far more than even teachers being off on holidays, which is noticeable in itself. So perhaps the whole thing can be shelved given the improvement that will happen in commute times regardless.


  • #3130
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Most can but some of them need people in a room. We cannot quarantine forever.

    And no one is saying quarantine forever


  • #3131
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    owlbethere wrote: »
    The government better get a move on implementing quarantine measures for arrivals or get fcuked out of government. The country voted and a sizable portion of the population don't want him there in government. He has to remember that going forward.
    You do know he'll be back in there in some form by next month? For 4-5 years by his reckoning!


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  • #3132
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Bryan Adams has made an expletive-filled attack on Chinese people

    on his Instagram page, the Canadian singer wrote:

    ''Tonight was supposed to be the beginning of a tenancy of gigs at the @royalalberthall, but thanks to some f**king bat eating, wet market animal selling, virus making greedy Chinese bastards, the whole world is now on hold, not to mention the thousands that have suffered or died from this virus. My message to them ‘thanks a f**king lot’

    He's absolutely spot on.


  • #3133
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Pandemic theme song:

    "Can't Stop This Thing We Started" by Bryan Adams


  • #3134
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Bryan Adams has made an expletive-filled attack on Chinese people

    on his Instagram page, the Canadian singer wrote:

    ''Tonight was supposed to be the beginning of a tenancy of gigs at the @royalalberthall, but thanks to some f**king bat eating, wet market animal selling, virus making greedy Chinese bastards, the whole world is now on hold, not to mention the thousands that have suffered or died from this virus. My message to them ‘thanks a f**king lot’
    Breaking down his post (for no real reason other than boredom), supposing he's correct about some of it..

    When it comes to the greedy part, was the tenancy of gigs at @royalalberthall going to be free? :pac:
    and with regards to 'the thousands that have suffered or died..' that just reads like it was an afterthought..


  • #3135
    keynes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes


    Drumpot wrote: »

    But regardless of the counter argument, there is no meaningful discussions on the impacts of flights. Really is a good reminder of how much discussion can be manipulated away from science for certain agendas.


    By June when flights start resuming in earnest, the insanity of the ongoing flight policy ("dont ask, don't tell") will surely make the lockdown restrictions increasingly untenable.


  • #3136
    keynes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes


    owlbethere wrote: »
    The government better get a move on implementing quarantine measures for arrivals or get fcuked out of government. The country voted and a sizable portion of the population don't want him there in government. He has to remember that going forward.
    The subservience to Europe by all of our political class means that nothing meaningful about flights will ever be done


  • #3137
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,707 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    froog wrote: »
    this is just horrific. he should be done for murder. and any of these other "spitters" done for attempted murder.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/12/uk-rail-worker-dies-coronavirus-spat-belly-mujinga

    Govia Thameslink are accomplices. They forced her to work with the public, even though they knew she'd be at risk due to respiratory problems.


  • #3138
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,501 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    keynes wrote:
    By June when flights start resuming in earnest, the insanity of the ongoing flight policy ("dont ask, don't tell") will surely make the lockdown restrictions increasingly untenable.
    I've no problem with people flying out of the country so long as they are quarantined coming back in. That has to be happen.


  • #3139
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    hmmm wrote: »
    Where's the benefit to any desk-bound organisation retooling their office space in order to bring back a socially-distanced 1/4 of their staff for what is a hopefully 12-18 month problem, many of whom probably won't want to come back (or travel on public transport). I find the whole idea that offices will come back, before a vaccine, just pie in the sky. It'll be remote working until a vaccine or some other breakthrough.

    In the longer term, it's hard to predict what happens, but after workers have been working from home for a year there will be an element of normality in that, and returning to an office will be seen as an imposition for many. I expect smart CFOs will look to make use of this, assuming that productivity numbers have held up. The commercial office with humans exhausted from commutes, packed into a noisy virus-spreading open plan space, looks a bit like an antiquated work practice.

    Whatever about multi-nationals leaving Ireland as a consequence, there is the bigger risk I think that a shift to remote working may mean that location is seen as less of an issue when hiring, which wouldn't be good for these various "hubs" we are trying to encourage in certain areas.
    Predictions made on the basis of traumatic events causing lasting changes in human behaviour have invariably proved to be wrong, and the power to radically change working practices does not lie with employees but with the employing corporations.

    The point is moot as it will possibly take 12-24 months before there are discernable patterns underlying the any changes in patterns of world trade. I suspect most corporations will be in holding mode until then, adapting workplaces, structures and home working where possible, in the hope that restrictions will prove to be temporary.

    Those factors that will have a far greater weight than any attitudinal changes among the workforce who still will have to meet their own financial commitments while living in accomodation mostly lacking a separate home office.


  • #3140
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,927 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    owlbethere wrote: »
    The government better get a move on implementing quarantine measures for arrivals or get fcuked out of government. The country voted and a sizable portion of the population don't want him there in government. He has to remember that going forward.

    Give or take a couple of % points, the same amount of people obv dont want MM or MLMD in govt either


  • #3141
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,707 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Bryan Adams has made an expletive-filled attack on Chinese people

    on his Instagram page, the Canadian singer wrote:

    ''Tonight was supposed to be the beginning of a tenancy of gigs at the @royalalberthall, but thanks to some f**king bat eating, wet market animal selling, virus making greedy Chinese bastards, the whole world is now on hold, not to mention the thousands that have suffered or died from this virus. My message to them ‘thanks a f**king lot’

    So Bryan can't play his shitty, mickey mouse, middle-the-roads, AOR crap. My heart bleeds for him.

    That's one thing to be thankful to the Coronavirus for anyway.


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  • #3142
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,852 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    An interesting debunking discussion that was sent to me through a friend in Facebook, stating the most deaths could have been avoided if we boosted our immune systems with vitamin d, c and zinc and the use of the drug hydroxychloride. Perhaps more for the Conspiracy Theory Covid thread but give it a watch.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #3143
    Hmmzis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    bekker wrote: »
    Predictions made on the basis of traumatic events causing lasting changes in human behaviour have invariably proved to be wrong, and the power to radically change working practices does not lie with employees but with the employing corporations.

    The point is moot as it will possibly take 12-24 months before there are discernable patterns underlying the any changes in patterns of world trade. I suspect most corporations will be in holding mode until then, adapting workplaces, structures and home working where possible, in the hope that restrictions will prove to be temporary.

    Those factors that will have a far greater weight than any attitudinal changes among the workforce who still will have to meet their own financial commitments while living in accomodation mostly lacking a separate home office.

    If working from home gains more acceptance from employers in the long term (it's been slowly but surely happening even before the pandemic hit) I could well see myself changing my lifestyle. Would be better for my family mentally and probably physically as well.

    Anecdotally speaking, in our office the productivity metrics have actually gone up since everyone got sent home.


  • #3144
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    An interesting debunking discussion that was sent to me through a friend in Facebook, stating the most deaths could have been avoided if we boosted our immune systems with vitamin d, c and zinc and the use of the drug hydroxychloride. Perhaps more for the Conspiracy Theory Covid thread but give it a watch.

    Vitamin D does appear to have benefits in boosting immune systems there have been a few studies on it


  • #3145
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Govia Thameslink are accomplices. They forced her to work with the public, even though they knew she'd be at risk due to respiratory problems.

    Yeah they definitely have questions to answer. Would be interesting to see if perpetrator is charged with manslaughter. I don't know if the law would be clear cut to include it but if the person knew they had it, would know how serious infecting someone else could be. Absolutely horrific.


  • #3146
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    An interesting debunking discussion that was sent to me through a friend in Facebook, stating the most deaths could have been avoided if we boosted our immune systems with vitamin d, c and zinc and the use of the drug hydroxychloride. Perhaps more for the Conspiracy Theory Covid thread but give it a watch.

    Hmm, more conspiracy theory really. That's been posted already and it's over an hour long. Most of those cures are seriously lacking in evidence.


  • #3147
    RugbyLad11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭RugbyLad11


    ‘Everyone needs to meet to talk’: Parisians enjoy coffee, company and haircuts as lockdown lifted'

    https://www.france24.com/en/20200511-everybody-needs-to-meet-to-talk-parisians-enjoy-coffee-company-and-haircuts-as-lockdown-lifted

    Counties much more effected then us are already getting back to normal


  • #3148
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,041 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Bryan Adams has made an expletive-filled attack on Chinese people

    on his Instagram page, the Canadian singer wrote:

    ''Tonight was supposed to be the beginning of a tenancy of gigs at the @royalalberthall, but thanks to some f**king bat eating, wet market animal selling, virus making greedy Chinese bastards, the whole world is now on hold, not to mention the thousands that have suffered or died from this virus. My message to them ‘thanks a f**king lot’

    China has a lot to answer for
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #3149
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    ‘Everyone needs to meet to talk’: Parisians enjoy coffee, company and haircuts as lockdown lifted'

    https://www.france24.com/en/20200511-everybody-needs-to-meet-to-talk-parisians-enjoy-coffee-company-and-haircuts-as-lockdown-lifted

    Counties much more effected then us are already getting back to normal

    I don't think it's a bad thing to adapt a cautious wait and see approach. Can learn from other countries easing restrictions now. Can always speed up the easing of restrictions if it comes to it.


  • #3150
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    24 new deaths RIP
    107 new cases


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  • #3151
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    24 new deaths RIP

    107 new cases. Very low!!!!


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