Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Ballso · 11-05-2020 12:33PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Question I would have is how in the first place does the likes of Paddy Holohan, Voilet Anne etc get into positions in SF? like what sort of vetting process goes on?

The lads they have in now are the A & B team, can you imagine the quality of candidates they'll have next go round when theyve to pull in the C & D listers

Shefwedfan · 11-05-2020 12:44PM

Ballso wrote: »

The lads they have in now are the A & B team, can you imagine the quality of candidates they'll have next go round when theyve to pull in the C & D listers

Exactly, everyone saying they should run more candidates. Who are the more candidates?

Shefwedfan · 11-05-2020 12:45PM

armaghlad wrote: »

Oh I’m sure you’re really concerned about Paul Quinn’s death

Maybe explain this comment?

Edgware · 11-05-2020 12:56PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Exactly, everyone saying they should run more candidates. Who are the more candidates?

McDonald wouldnt allow a second candidate in case she'd lose her seat or not get the poll topper title to satisfy her ego. She can sit on her big surplus for the next 5 years

JohnnyFlash · 11-05-2020 01:00PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Maybe explain this comment?

The narrative is as follows:

You don’t actually care about his murder.

The establishment parties from the free state are using this as a political football to keep the good folks of SF down.

What happened was unfortunate, but he wasn’t a good boy was Paul.

It’s time to move on and forget these things. Look what’s happening with x issue.

You can also apply this line of argument to Adams sending his kiddy fiddling brother over the border, Maria Cahill, Ó Snodaigh’s election posters being found in a car containing 5 members of the provos.

Nothing to see here - move on.

FrancieBrady · 11-05-2020 01:17PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The narrative is as follows:

You don’t actually care about his murder.

The establishment parties from the free state are using this as a political football to keep the good folks of SF down.

What happened was unfortunate, but he wasn’t a good boy was Paul.

It’s time to move on and forget these things. Look what’s happening with x issue.

You can also apply this line of argument to Adams sending his kiddy fiddling brother over the border, Maria Cahill, Ó Snodaigh’s election posters being found in a car containing 5 members of the provos.

Nothing to see here - move on.

There is also this blind spot among those who use yet another victim for political purposes.

IMC wrote:

The IMC said it had concluded that the IRA had not carried out the murder of 21-year-old Mr Quinn who died in hospital hours after being savagely beaten by a masked gang at an isolated farm house in Co. Monaghan last October.
We think that the attack on Paul Quinn was planned and carried out by local people and that it arose from local disputes.
Whatever the immediate reason for the killing certain aspects of these disputes go back some time and were not unconnected with continuing illegal activity.

Runaways · 11-05-2020 01:45PM

Edgware wrote: »

McDonald wouldnt allow a second candidate in case she'd lose her seat or not get the poll topper title to satisfy her ego. She can sit on her big surplus for the next 5 years

Just as Leo won’t allow a second election how many counts did it take for him to get returned
Was it 5?

That has to be a sting to His massive ego

No mandate Even in his own constituency

Shefwedfan · 11-05-2020 01:48PM

Runaways wrote: »

Just as Leo won’t allow a second election how many counts did it take for him to get returned
Was it 5?

That has to be a sting to His massive ego

No mandate Even in his own constituency

Nobody wants a second election, it will ciost 50 million and woukd be a disaster

11-05-2020 01:49PM

Runaways wrote: »

Just as Leo won’t allow a second election how many counts did it take for him to get returned
Was it 5?

That has to be a sting to His massive ego

No mandate Even in his own constituency

How is he preventing a second election?

Has our system changed that all TDs now need to be elected on the first count? That could probably remove over half of them:pac:

11-05-2020 01:50PM

armaghlad wrote: »

Oh I’m sure you’re really concerned about Paul Quinn’s death

Indeed,nothing more telling than fact varadkar and martin dropped that family like a hot snot as soon as election was over

It was most telling of all,that FFG couldnt lay a glove on the shinners policywise in any election debate,so.had to resort to talking about some lad killed in a shed,yonks ago.......

the troubles are over with 1/4 of a century,personally as callous as it sounds,im more concerned with healthcare and housing issues and a refusal by FFG to sort them

(Should be said as i do think,his killers.should face type of justice though,whatever about killing people and troubles/crime,you wouldnt do what happened to him,to a cat)

11-05-2020 01:55PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Nobody wants a second election, it will ciost 50 million and woukd be a disaster

Would be great ould craic though :pac:

11-05-2020 02:00PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Nobody wants a second election, it will ciost 50 million and woukd be a disaster

Its coming. Majority of TDs dont want to run the country or take any decisions.
Time for change

FrancieBrady · 11-05-2020 02:10PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Nobody wants a second election,

How do you know this?

Runaways · 11-05-2020 02:29PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Nobody wants a second election, it will ciost 50 million and woukd be a disaster

Fine Gael Don’t want a second election

It would be a disaster for them

Fixed your post for you

blanch152 · 11-05-2020 02:30PM

Runaways wrote: »

Just as Leo won’t allow a second election how many counts did it take for him to get returned
Was it 5?

That has to be a sting to His massive ego

No mandate Even in his own constituency

Leo isn't preventing a second election. Nonsense from you, if the Dail wants a second election, elect someone to go to the Aras to dissolve the election. Any TD could probably do the job, even if half-assed, with the possible exception of your wan from Clare.

Every TD elected to the Dail has a mandate. If your party only has 35 seats, there are 125 others who can ignore your mandate.

Shefwedfan · 11-05-2020 02:31PM

Runaways wrote: »

Fine Gael Don’t want a second election

It would be a disaster for them

Fixed your post for you

We had all the regular's on here posting about how great the RedC poll was. So based on that FG will get 35% of the vote.....:P

I wouldn't bother fixing anyone post when you havent a clue what your talking about

blanch152 · 11-05-2020 02:32PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There is also this blind spot among those who use yet another victim for political purposes.

If I remember correctly, both the IMC and the Irish government changed their stance within a week once further information became available and it was clear that IRA and other Sinn Fein sources were unfairly blackening the name of Paul Quinn.

It also begs the question, that even if true, why people on social media just dismiss Paul Quinn's murder as inconsequential because they support the belief that he somehow deserved it. Quite disgusting.

Shefwedfan · 11-05-2020 02:33PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Its coming. Majority of TDs dont want to run the country or take any decisions.
Time for change

What change?

SF have scrapped around get the current crop of "politicians" they have. Who else are they going to get?

plus the likes of Violet Anne wont get back in again. Nobody will vote for her so they will lose seats. Also the "manifesto' they have, wasn't worth the paper it was written on but nobody bothered really going over it, if another election it wuld be pulled to pieces. They have no answers. SF would dread another election

SF have done what exactly in the last 3 months to bring around "Change"?

11-05-2020 02:34PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

We had all the regular's on here posting about how great the RedC poll was. So based on that FG will get 35% of the vote.....:P

I wouldn't bother fixing anyone post when you havent a clue what your talking about

They potentially could get 35% of vote though?...likely be well above 30 anyway,and fair play to em....

but it looks as if that vote increase to come entirely at expense of FF and be same situation as now with forming a government,only rearranging deckchairs is what an election will do imo

11-05-2020 02:42PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What change?

SF have scrapped around get the current crop of "politicians" they have. Who else are they going to get?

plus the likes of Violet Anne wont get back in again. Nobody will vote for her so they will lose seats. Also the "manifesto' they have, wasn't worth the paper it was written on but nobody bothered really going over it, if another election it wuld be pulled to pieces. They have no answers. SF would dread another election

SF have done what exactly in the last 3 months to bring around "Change"?

Sorry not what I meant at all. I mean time to elect TDs with some interest in taking charge of the country.

atticu · 11-05-2020 02:42PM

I have just read that SF are going to resume talks with PBP on forming a government. It seems that they are also talking to a few independents.

I am not sure if they want to form a government, a national government, a unity government, a national government of unity or a national unity government, but it is about time they started to engage.

11-05-2020 02:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They potentially could get 35% of vote though?...likely be well above 30 anyway,and fair play to em....

but it looks as if that vote increase to come entirely at expense of FF and be same situation as now with forming a government,only rearranging deckchairs is what an election will do imo

Knocking the stuffing out of out of FF is hardly likely to worry FG is it. :pac:

Hardly FGs fault if no one else wants to govern.

maccored · 11-05-2020 02:51PM

atticu wrote: »

I have just read that SF are going to resume talks with PBP on forming a government. It seems that they are also talking to a few independents.

I am not sure if they want to form a government, a national government, a unity government, a national government of unity or a national unity government, but it is about time they started to engage.

started to engage? I think this shows how out of the loop some people are

guyfo · 11-05-2020 02:52PM

atticu wrote: »

I have just read that SF are going to resume talks with PBP on forming a government. It seems that they are also talking to a few independents.

I am not sure if they want to form a government, a national government, a unity government, a national government of unity or a national unity government, but it is about time they started to engage.

They want to get back in the headlines again, that's all they want to achieve.

Absolutely ridiculous to be saying stuff like that when all FF/FG have to do is get 5 people on their side to stop them getting into power...

Shefwedfan · 11-05-2020 02:55PM

atticu wrote: »

I have just read that SF are going to resume talks with PBP on forming a government. It seems that they are also talking to a few independents.

I am not sure if they want to form a government, a national government, a unity government, a national government of unity or a national unity government, but it is about time they started to engage.

This is just a PR stunt because now everyone is pointing the finger at them. The PBP writing a letter and publishing on website looked very bad for SF because it showed up how useles they are

If they wanted to form a government that should have happened in Feb, not in May

Shefwedfan · 11-05-2020 02:56PM

guyfo wrote: »

They want to get back in the headlines again, that's all they want to achieve.

Absolutely ridiculous to be saying stuff like that when all FF/FG have to do is get 5 people on their side to stop them getting into power...

Its pure PR...MLM knows she cant go on TV complaining about FF/FG when the PBP are saying SF have no interest in talking to them.

Shows as usual it is all a pack of lies coming from SF

Shefwedfan · 11-05-2020 03:01PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Knocking the stuffing out of out of FF is hardly likely to worry FG is it. :pac:

Hardly FGs fault if no one else wants to govern.

Problem is FF core voters, of whom are a lot will not switch to either SF or FG. So the swing voter are the ones for grabs. They are the ones who went with SF last time, will they go with them again when you see the likes of Violet Anne knocking around?

SF dont want an election, they would prefer FF/FG to create a government, spent 5 years trying to get some decent politicians and keep firing mud from the sidelines> I said this straight after the election and nothing has changed in the last 3 months to suggest otherwise

Edgware · 11-05-2020 03:06PM

Runaways wrote: »

Just as Leo won’t allow a second election how many counts did it take for him to get returned
Was it 5?

That has to be a sting to His massive ego

No mandate Even in his own constituency

What rubbish are you spouting about a second election. Both Martin and Varadkar ran second candidates in their constituency but "big surplus" fishwife wanted the headline for herself

maccored · 11-05-2020 03:08PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Its pure PR...MLM knows she cant go on TV complaining about FF/FG when the PBP are saying SF have no interest in talking to them.

Shows as usual it is all a pack of lies coming from SF

hang on .. on one hand you are saying FF and FG dont need to talk to SF, but yet SF HAVE TO talk to the PBP.

Make up your mind.

gormdubhgorm · 11-05-2020 03:09PM

armaghlad wrote: »

Oh I’m sure you’re really concerned about Paul Quinn’s death

Here we go again. If ANY other party member today in DE was involved in protection of murderers , protection of pedophiles and rapists they would NOT have a political career. The list of things wrong is at times incredulous as to how they are left lie.

1.1m of the elecorate in the ROI still care. That particular poster obviously cares. I care which is the main reason I voted for parties which would not go in with SF.

You maybe hardened to mayhem, murder, robbery and protection of pedophiles as a hard-nosed dyed in the wool republican from Armagh.

But the majority of those outside that bubble are people who do not switch on an off thier human decency when it suits. There are only so many times the decent people of Ireland can mention such problems with SF as they brush it off or demean death, rape, child rape and injustice and so on - without even a nod towards justice. But it seems the decent human beings of Ireland have to continue as it is the only way for SF to move forward with decency

Your post above is like someone saying glibly in the covid19 thread "and I suppose you care about 1458 deaths in the ROI?"

You obviously have a heart of stone not to care about the loss of life, and the loss of life of innocents.

Maybe you only cared when it served the republican cause like in 1972 Bloody Sunday? Did those lives matter?

Why not light yourself on fire as statement outside DE (in protest against no SF in government) if you value life that lowly. Like that Buddhist monk did? It should kill any potential covid19 as well and make it handy for the mortuary.

Or do you value your own life more highly than others?
You could become a republican martyr.
They might sing songs about you.

Of course it is much safer for a 'tough republican lad' like you, to try and show are hardened and tough you are on a message forum

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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