Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

s1ippy · 11-05-2020 12:23AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Prehaps you could share your findings with WHO, they seem to be of the impression it's NOT airborne.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/is-coronavirus-airborne

Looks like another episode of "I didn't bother reading my own source, so I only have half the facts".

See - this quote
"Experts tend to agree that coronaviruses are transmittable through the inhalation of droplets from a person who has the infection. Coughs and sneezes expel droplets from the body.

According to the WHO, these droplets are heavy enough that they cannot travel more than around 3 feet (1 meter). However, other research has found they can travel 23–27 feet (7–8 meters).

Airborne particles are much smaller than droplets and can linger in the air for longer. Air currents can also carry them longer distances. The measles virus, for example, can remain contagious in the air for up to 2 hours.

Airborne viruses are the most contagious. According to the WHO, SARS-CoV-2 is not airborne, but other experts seem to disagree."

The WHO is playing with semantics on this one and as with many other features of this virus, they are liable to change their position given emerging evidence - including this research reported by the very same website you cited.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/tiny-airborne-particles-may-carry-the-new-coronavirus

Until there are definitive answers, my view is currently we have sufficient evidence to conclude that the virus can be in the air around infected carriers and it would be foolish and dangerous to presume otherwise.

Stheno · 11-05-2020 12:24AM

gmisk wrote: »

That can't be right?
If that was true surely our hospitals would be totally overwhelmed?
The figure I can find is 1/5 of over 80s only.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196573/covid-19-one-five-over-80s-need-hospitalisation/
So it is likely a lot lower with younger people

Btw I totally understand it's a lot more dangerous than the flu.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/466968-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-monday-13-a/

If all the cases in Ireland up to 11th April 20% were hospitalised

It's been fairly consistently reported globally that 80% of people will recover at home, 10% will need hospitalization and up to 5% of total infections will need ICU

It was down to 13% of the total on the 5th May - just over 2800 people here, however of 5885 cases over 65 only 1563 were hospitalised

https://www.gov.ie/en/news/fe4551-statement-from-the-national-public-emergency-team-7-may

owlbethere · 11-05-2020 12:26AM

khalessi wrote: »

Also need to wear eye protection as the eyes have recently been discovered to be a point of entry

Would transmission into the eyes be reduced if masks were made mandatory for everyone in public indoor environments?

gmisk · 11-05-2020 12:29AM

Stheno wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/466968-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-monday-13-a/

If all the cases in Ireland up to 11th April 20% were hospitalised

It's been fairly consistently reported globally that 80% of people will recover at home, 10% will need hospitalization and up to 5% of total infections will need ICU

I would suggest the Irish number is entirely unreliable, there were huge restrictions at that stage on who was getting tested for a start.
I think at that stage you had to have 2 of the 3 main symptoms and an underlying condition to even pass the threshold to get a test

khalessi · 11-05-2020 12:30AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Would transmission into the eyes be reduced if masks were made mandatory for everyone in public indoor environments?

Masks would reduce oral and nasal access points and glasses the eyes as an access point

Beasty · 11-05-2020 12:33AM

khalessi wrote: »

Masks would reduce oral and nasal access points and glasses the eyes as an access point

The most important reason for wearing masks has been repeatedly stated to lower the chances of the person wearing the mask passing it on to other people (when carriers can be asymptomatic)

Stheno · 11-05-2020 12:33AM

gmisk wrote: »

I would suggest the Irish number is entirely unreliable, there were huge restrictions at that stage on who was getting tested for a start.
I think at that stage you had to have 2 of the 3 main symptoms and an underlying condition to even pass the threshold to get a test

I updated to include the May 5 figures

khalessi · 11-05-2020 12:36AM

Beasty wrote: »

The most important reason for wearing masks has been repeatedly stated to lower the chances of the person wearing the mask passing it on to other people (when carriers can be asymptomatic)

Doesnt mean you cant wear it to prevent getting it. Enough research is out at the moment disccusing droplets hanging in the air and on Primetime last week they were talking about asymptomatic people shedding while talking. so it can be worn for more then one reason

As the Czechs say, you protect me, I protect you.

Maestro85 · 11-05-2020 12:44AM

Is this going to be more guidelines or actual changes to workplace laws?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-measures-for-reopening-will-see-irish-workplaces-change-beyond-recognition-1.4248809?mode=amp

Asking because I am rather concerned about the toruism site I work at. From the 13th we will have 30 staff back working but the main visitor building will be closed.

Kermit.de.frog · 11-05-2020 12:47AM

Canada reports 177 new deaths. 4870 total.

The country has more or less been in that ballpark daily since the 15th of April and does not appear to have the weekend slump in numbers of other countries.

jams100 · 11-05-2020 12:48AM

Ficheall wrote: »

What do you feel constitutes a "mild" illness, as a matter of interest?

The experts say for 80% of people it will be a mild illness.
What would I say a mild illness is? I don't know a bad case of the flu?

bekker · 11-05-2020 12:57AM

khalessi wrote: »

Doesnt mean you cant wear it to prevent getting it. Enough research is out at the moment disccusing droplets hanging in the air and on Primetime last week they were talking about asymptomatic people shedding while talking. so it can be worn for more then one reason

As the Czechs say, you protect me, I protect you.

When we breath we exhale micro-droplets which remain airborne for a short period, it has been postulated that this is the mode by which asymptomatic carriers transmit the disease, as they are neither sneezing or coughing.

Those versed in fluid dynamics back this as a mode of transmission and various experiments have demonstrated that speaking loudly or emphatically can have a similar effect to coughing in the generation of persistent micro-droplets.

There is at least one study which suggest that with the flu virus, normal expiration is capable of delivering an infective viral load.

speckle · 11-05-2020 01:05AM

Maestro85 wrote: »

Is this going to be more guidelines or actual changes to workplace laws?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-measures-for-reopening-will-see-irish-workplaces-change-beyond-recognition-1.4248809?mode=amp

Asking because I am rather concerned about the toruism site I work at. From the 13th we will have 30 staff back working but the main visitor building will be closed.

some one posted this earlier

https://dbei.gov.ie/en/Publications/Return-to-Work-Safely-Protocol.html

owlbethere · 11-05-2020 01:10AM

I screenshot this from a Facebook covid support group. I blackened out names and profile pictures.

There's so many people with suffering 2-3 months down the line from the onset of symptoms. It's being compared to malaria.

I had proper flu a few years ago. I was back up and going about within 2 weeks.

Its great to read some people are asymptomatic and have no symptoms. There is a middle area here though from no symptoms to hospital treatment. The middle area may not be great. Is this the 80% the medics are talking about?

People need to be told the truth from now on from the medical professionals and also governments. So that they can plan ahead:
Like who's going to take children to school if parents are too ill at home for a few weeks? Or
If it's a small local business, relying on small staff or one person having the keys to open up, who's going to open the business if they get sick.

Kermit.de.frog · 11-05-2020 01:27AM

owlbethere wrote: »

I screenshot this from a Facebook covid support group. I blackened out names and profile pictures.

There's so many people with suffering 2-3 months down the line from the onset of symptoms. It's being compared to malaria.

I had proper flu a few years ago. I was back up and going about within 2 weeks.

Its great to read some people are asymptomatic and have no symptoms. There is a middle area here though from no symptoms to hospital treatment. The middle area may not be great. Is this the 80% the medics are talking about?

People need to be told the truth from now on from the medical professionals and also governments. So that they can plan ahead:
Like who's going to take children to school if parents are too ill at home for a few weeks? Or
If it's a small local business, relying on small staff or one person having the keys to open up, who's going to open the business if they get sick.

There is a reason countries around the world take this so seriously. None close down their economies on hunches and misdirection.

People making comments on an unknown virus strain that "it is not so bad" are being extremely foolish at best.

Not enough is known about the illness - either short term, long term or complicating implications.

It's why safety first is the number one priority.

BorneTobyWilde · 11-05-2020 02:13AM

Very few cases in USA today. Part of me thinks this whole thing will blow over same way it started. That summer will do more than social distancing ever did.

Wolf359f · 11-05-2020 02:14AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Canada reports 177 new deaths. 4870 total.

The country has more or less been in that ballpark daily since the 15th of April and does not appear to have the weekend slump in numbers of other countries.

They definitely do have a slump in numbers at the weekend.
Is this your excuse to just post random country daily figures, without getting called out for the (I was gonna say name dropping, maybe country dropping is the term)

Away With The Fairies · 11-05-2020 02:15AM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Has Michael Levvitt's comments reported in the Irish Indo been discussed here? He suggests that Covod-19 is naturally going to burn itself out in Ireland in the next few weeks resulting in a sppeding up of the lifting of restrictions. He has also suggested previously that Sweden will show in a few weeks that they have achieved some form of herd immunity. He suspects that virus naturally flattens its own curve becuse it infects so many without symptoms.

How would a virus burn out with asymptomatics spreading it?

Micky 32 · 11-05-2020 02:19AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How would a virus burn out with asymptomatics spreading it?

I have wondered about how virus burn out. I wonder what happened with the Spanish flu that spread like wildfire across the planet? It has been said it may have killed 100 million people it was that bad. It disappeared over 18 months or so after a second deadlier wave I believe.

Wolf359f · 11-05-2020 02:22AM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Very few cases in USA today. Part of me thinks this whole thing will blow over same way it started. That summer will do more than social distancing ever did.

20k is 'Very few'?
I'm baffled by both the US and UK figures, new cases daily seem to be reducing (% wise) less than the number of deaths (% wise)
Most countries see the number of cases reduce before the deaths.
The new cases curve looks flat, yet the deaths are dropping quite fast.

Away With The Fairies · 11-05-2020 02:23AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I have wondered about how virus burn out. I wonder what happened with the Spanish flu that spread like wildfire across the planet? It has been said it may have killed 100 million people it was that bad. It disappeared over 18 months or so after a second deadlier wave I believe.

I guess that's with enough people infected. Is this spreading so fast that most of us have already been infected without knowing. Afterall, it's been here since Christmas time. Spread slowly and nobody notices. It's only now because there's thousands and thousands infected.

Micky 32 · 11-05-2020 02:24AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

20k is 'Very few'?
I'm baffled by both the US and UK figures, new cases daily seem to be reducing (% wise) less than the number of deaths (% wise)
Most countries see the number of cases reduce before the deaths.
The new cases curve looks flat, yet the deaths are dropping quite fast.

Their population is 328 million people so 20k is a drop in the ocean. I believe only 750 deaths today. A big drop from 2.5k A day.

Away With The Fairies · 11-05-2020 02:29AM

Also if it burns out here, couldn't we still get more infection into the country with visitors?

Micky 32 · 11-05-2020 02:31AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Also if it burns out here, couldn't we still get more infection into the country with visitors?

Well cases and deaths are dropping in most countries. Even the USA is doing better.

Micky 32 · 11-05-2020 02:34AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

They definitely do have a slump in numbers at the weekend.
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That’s why you go by hospital admissions and ICU numbers, regarding Ireland anyway. Those figures don’t lie over the weekend. We peaked at 160 and now down to 72. It’s not what the doomists want to hear but they are the facts.

But for some reason it’s like talking to a brick wall getting this through to people on this thread.

11-05-2020 02:34AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Also if it burns out here, couldn't we still get more infection into the country with visitors?

We will. Then the fun begins again if we don't keep on top of it.

Korea is taking extreme measures quarantining visitors to make sure this doesn't happen.

Miike · 11-05-2020 02:38AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I have wondered about how virus burn out. I wonder what happened with the Spanish flu that spread like wildfire across the planet? It has been said it may have killed 100 million people it was that bad. It disappeared over 18 months or so after a second deadlier wave I believe.

The leading theory is Spanish Flu mutated into a less severe strain, as one would expect with a highly fatal pathogenic virus. Killing the host rapidly means the virus doesn't replicate and spread. Overtime this leads the less severe strains to become more wide spread because the hosts of the severe strain die too rapidly to spread that strain. God I'm terrible at explaining that :pac:

Viruses don't have executive function or 'intelligence', this is just the order of nature.

I'm going to peddle this book again but I highly recommend Steven Johnsons "The Ghost Map". It's a book about the cholera epidemic in London in the 19th century. He does a wonderful job at explaining the nature of these things while also telling a seriously chilling story. 9/10 would recommend :pac:

Wolf359f · 11-05-2020 02:41AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Their population is 328 million people so 20k is a drop in the ocean. I believe only 750 deaths today. A big drop from 2.5k A day.

20k is a drop in the ocean, but the day before was 25k, and that wasn't a drop in the ocean? (out of 328mil). Considering weekend figures for the US have always been lower than the weekdays.
It's not a big enough ocean.
It's actually more like a drop in 3 bathtubs of water, NOT an ocean.
Put that into perspective.

Micky 32 · 11-05-2020 02:41AM

Miike wrote: »

The leading theory is Spanish Flu mutated into a less severe strain, as one would expect with a highly fatal pathogenic virus. Killing the host rapidly means the virus doesn't replicate and spread. Overtime this leads the less severe strains to become more wide spread because the hosts of the severe strain die too rapidly to spread that strain. God I'm terrible at explaining that :pac:

Well lets hope this one does too, it has a good chance it might do.

Micky 32 · 11-05-2020 02:44AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

20k is a drop in the ocean, but the day before was 25k, and that wasn't a drop in the ocean? (out of 328mil). Considering weekend figures for the US have always been lower than the weekdays.
It's not a big enough ocean.
It's actually more like a drop in 3 bathtubs of water, NOT an ocean.
Put that into perspective.

Cases are dropping, are you able to grasp that fact? Hospitals in NY are seeing less and less hospital admissions. Stop spouting doomists nonsense.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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