Is it just me or have SF vanished?

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 08:17PM

Also I was thinking many times when I have seen MLMD obfuscate and dodge Republican questions on various crimes - I feel sorry for her.

I get the feeling she really wants to tell the truth come clean, and out the scum from Republican circles. Help the autthorities, but she is bound by the invisible Republican code from doing so.

I can almost see her mind turning. Remember what Gerry taught me 'Deny, repeat, Deny repeat'. If that does not work obfuscate and deflect.

Personally I think Gerry Adams was way better at doing that than Gerry. He could go off script dodge any question or bullet.
Mary Lou on the other hand always appears on shaky ground when it comes to questions on Republicanism that she cannot answer because of the unwritten code.
If it is not scripted light-hearted or an easy soft question Mary is in trouble.

But the fellas lower down the SF chain are even worse Ellis, AOS, Cullinane, Cronin.
I feel sorry for her having to control such gombeens. While at the same time cheapening herself, and the divide between life and death and her self as a human being.

The standard Republican retort when an awkward question comes up - "all sides have lost people any loss of life is unfortunate". But Mary Lou is from comfy Rathgar yet refuses to help those living in Republican areas who have been beaten/murdered/raped in NI. Is she really in charge or not?

I dunno how she sleeps at night or how she justify 'the game' to herself. Isn't Mary Lou a wife a mother with a children? She must have thick skin? Or be able to compartmentalize her actions/non-action once she walks home?

FrancieBrady · 09-05-2020 08:22PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Also I was thinking many times when I have seen MLMD obfuscate and dodge Republican questions on various crimes - I feel sorry for her.

I get the feeling she really wants to tell the truth come clean, and out the scum from Republican circles. Help the autthorities, but she is bound by the invisible Republican code from doing so.

I can almost see her mind turning. Remember what Gerry taught me 'Deny, repeat, Deny repeat'. If that does not work obfuscate and deflect.

Personally I think Gerry Adams was way better at doing that than Gerry. He could go off script dodge any question or bullet.
Mary Lou on the other hand always appears on shaky ground when it comes to questions on Republicanism that she cannot answer because of the unwritten code.
If it is not scripted light-hearted or an easy soft question Mary is in trouble.

But the fellas lower down the SF chain are even worse Ellis, AOS, Cullinane, Cronin.
I feel sorry for her having to control such gombeens. While at the same time cheapening herself, and the divide between life and death and her self as a human being.

The standard Republican retort when an awkward question comes up - "all sides have lost people any loss of life is unfortunate". But Mary Lou is from comfy Rathgar yet refuses to help those living in Republican areas who have been beaten/murdered/raped in NI. Is she really in charge or not?

I dunno how she sleeps at night or how she justify 'the game' to herself. Isn't Mary Lou a wife a mother with a children? She must have thick skin? Or be able to compartmentalize her actions/non-action once she walks home?

I don't know 'how you sleep at night' GDG, with all them bogeymen and women under your bed.

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 08:29PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So completely out of any more unbacked up rubbish to post you resort to the old 'we are all part of a plot' against posters like yourself. Very good. :rolleyes:

More guff. I merely pointed out another poster said the pale reference.
But yet you have to twist that one as well.
At this stage I would question how honest you are with yourself or on boards.ies when discussing SF. But then again the hardline SF people are well practiced at it. It is with the company they keep. Death and destruction can be shrugged off, or glorified where required.

I think being called a 'Minister of Propaganda' would be very insulting whatever religion you are.

I think it was rude and not a very well made point...anti-Semitic...absolutely not.
And if it was, does it mean SF are anti-Semitic?...I just get a little whoosy at the breathtaking leap that would be to make.

I have already elaborated on these points that SF attracts those who have far right tendencies.

Also you seem to be squirming on the Goebells point.
You have now resorted to it might be anti-Semitic it might not. O'Snodaigh's family background would fit the bill that he is anti-Semitic. His wife and sister in law have no respect for the authority of the ROI and so on.

He is a an individual with no class as a person, but he fits like glove into the SF mold. Thuggish with the look of bulldog that ran into a wall.
Yet this is SF chief whip and former editor of an Phoblacht!
This is majority of the core 'quality' people in SF.

FrancieBrady · 09-05-2020 08:29PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tbh i think its wonderful satire

Like he was good at start,but has strayed too.far into the fanciful now

The MaryLou dying fantasy was the start of the downhill dection.

Jinglejangle69 · 09-05-2020 08:32PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't know 'how you sleep at night' GDG, with all them bogeymen and women under your bed.

Unfortunately a lot of people can't sleep at all anymore because of SF/IRA.

But you just think it's all a big laugh.

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 08:34PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't know 'how you sleep at night' GDG, with all them bogeymen and women under your bed.

Deleted User wrote: »

Tbh i think its wonderful satire

Like he was good at start,but has strayed too.far into the fanciful now

Sure there are stun guns, and posters of AOS under my bed in a box. A 'friend' of AOS told me it was his printer ink cartridges. Just to mind for while until they collect it. I feel codded. Now I am worried that the room is bugged.

Jinglejangle69 · 09-05-2020 08:36PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Sure there are stun guns, and posters of AOS under my bed in a box. A friend of AOS told me it was his printer ink cartridges. Just to mind for while until they collect it. I feel codded.

You're wasting your time here.

The 4 paid lads will never ever ever admit to anything negative about SF ever.

They will go around in circles with you.

They are well trained.

2 of them will say they never voted for SF:)

Some operation they run in fairness.

For your sanity just move on.

FrancieBrady · 09-05-2020 08:37PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

More guff. I merely pointed out another poster said the pale reference.
But yet you have to twist that one as well.
At this stage I would question how honest you are with yourself or on boards.ies when discussing SF. But then again the hardline SF people are well practiced at it. It is with the company they keep. Death and destruction can be shrugged off, or glorified where required.

Don't you know what
'fellow comrádaí in guff' means?
You typed it.

I have already elaborated on these points that SF attracts those who have far right tendencies.

Also you seem to be squirming on the Goebells point.
You have now resorted to it might be anti-Semitic it might not. O'Snodaigh's family background would fit the bill that he is anti-Semitic. His wife and sister in law have no respect for the authority of the ROI and so on.

He is a an individual with no class as a person, but he fits like glove into the SF mold. Thuggish with the look of bulldog that ran into a wall.
Yet this is SF chief whip and former editor of an Phoblacht!
This is majority of the core 'quality' people in SF.

Seriously...don't vote for him.

And I am not in the slightest conflicted...if I am going to accuse somebody of being 'anti Semetic' I am going to need more than him mentioning a Nazi for a specific reason...that he is the most famous and notorious Minster For Propaganda the world has known.

Shefwedfan · 09-05-2020 08:43PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

You're wasting your time here.

The 4 paid lads will never ever ever admit to anything negative about SF ever.

They will go around in circles with you.

They are well trained.

2 of them will say they never voted for SF:)

Some operation they run in fairness.

For your sanity just move on.

I agree, I just use the ignore button on most them....just google “SFOS“ and you can make up your own mind

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 08:45PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

You're wasting your time here.

The 4 paid lads will never ever ever admit to anything negative about SF ever.

They will go around in circles with you.

They are well trained.

2 of them will say they never voted for SF:)

Some operation they run in fairness.

For your sanity just move on.

I wonder what is the pay in it? I mean FrancieBrady finds the time to watch afterlife. I feel that means there must be plenty of free time. I mean I know the mantra.
Make light of the loss of life/criminality as a result of republican/SF/IRA activities seem inconsequential/unfortunate.

Blame any party but SF, for not forming a government.

Claim the IRA is gone.

Glorify any republican deaths, or republican people no matter what they have done. Call them 'good republicans'

Use phrases like FFG as it is necessary to make it seem like it is SF against the one entity.

Big up a 25% electoral vote as the call for 'change'

Ignore SF's record in NI as you can blame it on WM or the Unionists

Pretend that SF is an all inclusive party with out any anti-immigrant overtones among the voting base.

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I am sure I would be good at it because I have read plenty of the guff on boards at this stage.

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 08:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Plenty negative about SF,just that lad hasnt raised anything based in reality (seriously.read his posts,its the inane ramblings of a unwell individual,his sanity i suspect is long gone)

Says the fella who still uses terms Free State and Pale.
Yeah it is me with the issue.
The reality is SF is a lot more like a street gang trying to smarten up it's image to broaden it's appeal. Fortunately the majority of the electorate still see SF for what they are and covid19 has been a blessing in disguise because SF have all that flase momentum lost.

Hitler was stopped when he was jailed in the 1920's. Covid19 has stopped SF in the 2020's. The Irish people will want an intelligent mature party who is able to govern (without the purse strings of WM)
The people of Ireland will want a decent party with a sound economic plan to bring Ireland out of recession. SF's cheap houses pie in the sky stuff - will not fool the populace.

Jinglejangle69 · 09-05-2020 09:00PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I wonder what is the pay in it? I mean FrancieBrady finds the time to watch afterlife. I feel that means there must be plenty of free time. I mean I know the mantra.
Make light of the loss of life/criminality as a result of republican/SF/IRA activities seem inconsequential/unfortunate.

Blame any party but SF, for not forming a government.

Claim the IRA is gone.

Glorify any republican deaths, or republican people no matter what they have done. Call them 'good republicans'

Use phrases like FFG as it is necessary to make it seem like it is SF against the one entity.

Big up a 25% electoral vote as the call for 'change'

Ignore SF's record in NI as you can blame it on WM or the Unionists

Pretend that SF is an all inclusive party with out any anti-immigrant overtones among the voting base.

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I am sure I would be good at it because I have read plenty of the guff on boards at this stage.

Its a closed organisation.

Simple as that.

Just look at their leader elections.

30 years unchallenged.

Then Mary Lou.

Tell me who she was up against again?

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 09:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

inane ramblings and personal prejudice passed off as political dogma,with little basis in reality

I think you have been at too many Sinn Fein Ard Fheis'?

FrancieBrady · 09-05-2020 09:11PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Says the fella who still uses terms Free State and Pale.

'Free State' is as common in usage around here as Ireland or the Republic.
It's habit thin and passed on from previous generations. I would imagine 99% of the people who use it don't even think about it.

gormdubhgorm · 09-05-2020 09:41PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Free State' is as common in usage around here as Ireland or the Republic.
It's habit thin and passed on from previous generations. I would imagine 99% of the people who use it don't even think about it.

In other words brainwashed with a doctrine and mantra - is your excuse.

I know damn well they think about it - much as SF politicians in the Dail say - 'this state' the 'Southern State' instead of Ireland or ROI or the Republic.

It is the part of Republican lexicon all part of the pantomime - the 6 counties/the occupied 6 instead of NI.

FrancieBrady · 09-05-2020 09:47PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

In other words brainwashed with a doctrine and mantra - is your excuse.

I know damn well they think about it - much as SF politicians in the Dail say - 'this state' the 'Southern State' instead of Ireland or ROI or the Republic.

It is the part of Republican lexicon all part of the pantomime - the 6 counties/the occupied 6 instead of NI.

My father who was reared near Enniskillen and came here in the early 50's. He used it all the time. And he was not a SF fan, more an SDLP man in fact. Most northeners of his generation called it that.

Edgware · 09-05-2020 10:50PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

My father who was reared near Enniskillen and came here in the early 50's. He used it all the time. And he was not a SF fan, more an SDLP man in fact. Most northeners of his generation called it that.

Some Northerners live in the 1690s and others in the 1930s. It explains a lot

all about the mane · 10-05-2020 10:33AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tbh mate,never been,nor any intention of ever joining (deffo not going watching a 29 mi n youtube video zZz)

SF are too much hypocrites for my liking

Yet you are on here day and night defending them...riiight...

FrancieBrady · 10-05-2020 10:44AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Its a closed organisation.

Simple as that.

Just look at their leader elections.

30 years unchallenged.

Then Mary Lou.

Tell me who she was up against again?

Tell us again who really won the FG leadership election?

*Of course you will defend that by saying that ignoring the vote of the members is how FG do things...which is fair enough...doesn't really bother me, if that is how you roll, on you go, everyone who joins knows/or should know how it works.
Different parties do it differently. Big deal.

Shefwedfan · 10-05-2020 10:48AM

all about the mane wrote: »

Yet you are on here day and night defending them...riiight...

A number of posters on here, day and night defending SF and see no fault with SF...funny how none of them are actually SF supporters:P

Really need to get a better cover story between them

all about the mane · 10-05-2020 10:51AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Tell us again who really won the FG leadership election?

*Of course you will defend that by saying that ignoring the vote of the members is how FG do things...which is fair enough...doesn't really bother me, if that is how you roll, on you go, everyone who joins knows/or should know how it works.
Different parties do it differently. Big deal.

The rules were set out beforehand. The votes were weighted. This is a really simple idea. I know you can get it.
Leo won going by the rules put in place BEFOREHAND. Would I have preferred Coveney? Absolutely. But the rules were there. Completely transparent.
I have faith in you francie. I know the penny will drop eventually.

10-05-2020 10:54AM

all about the mane wrote: »

The rules were set out beforehand. The votes were weighted. This is a really simple idea. I know you can get it.
Leo won going by the rules put in place BEFOREHAND. Would I have preferred Coveney? Absolutely. But the rules were there. Completely transparent.
I have faith in you francie. I know the penny will drop eventually.

Mate only in FG land would they critise some party for being undemocratic and proceed to claim person with fewest votes winner of an leadership election

Like if this isnt hyprocrisy,what is?

(Quite possibly i would support FG,if coveny was leader,he comes across as honest,sincere and upstanding individual interested in doing things right)

McMurphy · 10-05-2020 11:02AM

I don't get why they hold a members vote to begin with if the upper echelons make who they decide to be leader regardless of what day the members vote to begin with.

That's how they do things - and more power to them, but how in god's name they think they can point at any other party is beyond me.

Also on the leadership selection of Leo, they went with the man who lost them an election during an economic boom - and appears to be wanting to make the partnership with FF official.

Confidence and Supply last time.
Coalition this time.

Where to next time?

Some achievement.

FrancieBrady · 10-05-2020 11:03AM

all about the mane wrote: »

The rules were set out beforehand. The votes were weighted. This is a really simple idea. I know you can get it.
Leo won going by the rules put in place BEFOREHAND. Would I have preferred Coveney? Absolutely. But the rules were there. Completely transparent.
I have faith in you francie. I know the penny will drop eventually.

So...take the point on board here and let the penny drop there too.

Who in SF didn't 'know the rules' before they joined? If they don't know the rules/regulations/procedures then that is their fault.
FG weight votes to control.
That's the bottom line, there is no other reason for doing it. That's how they roll, everyone knows it or should know it. No different to any other party.

all about the mane · 10-05-2020 11:04AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Mate only in FG land would they critise some party for being undemocratic and proceed to claim person with fewest votes winner of an leadership election

Like if this isnt hyprocrisy,what is?

(Quite possibly i would support FG,if coveny was leader,he comes across as honest,sincere and upstanding individual interested in doing things right)

Of course you would. :rolleyes:

all about the mane · 10-05-2020 11:05AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So...take the point on board here and let the penny drop there too.

Who in SF didn't 'know the rules' before they joined? If they don't know the rules/regulations/procedures then that is their fault.
FG weight votes to control.
That's the bottom line, there is no other reason for doing it. That's how they roll, everyone knows it or should know it. No different to any other party.

What are the rules in SF? No one is allowed question or challenge leadership? Nice.

McMurphy · 10-05-2020 11:07AM

all about the mane wrote: »

What are the rules in SF? No one is allowed question or challenge leadership? Nice.

You've been through this already with the O'Neil v O'Dowd leadership challenge.

Like does anything ever sink into your head at all, you've been over this one already.

All arse no trousers.

10-05-2020 11:08AM

all about the mane wrote: »

Of course you would. :rolleyes:

May suprise you,to know...i have friends (including an ex)who are members of FG,most are uneasy with direction varadar taking em....this weird extremist thing,where FG and shinners arent friends is solely an internet thing

Coveny is much closer to what FG tradionally stood for,

Varadkar cultivates the worst of sneering,fcuk the poor,thatcherism type centre right policies,that deserve the lack of respect they get....

.he will eventually lead to ruination of FG as centrist voters abandon them and move to likes of soc dems etc and they become irelands tory party

Keeping themselves and FF below 50% combined is essential to have any hope of change imo

Banana Republic 1 · 10-05-2020 11:09AM

gmisk wrote: »

They haven't gone away you know...

No there in the long grass

FrancieBrady · 10-05-2020 11:15AM

all about the mane wrote: »

What are the rules in SF? No one is allowed question or challenge leadership? Nice.

I have no idea what the rules are. I am not looking to join the party.

We had a SF member on here a while back and he/she explained the process of picking a leader and seemed fine to me.

Cumman's nominate, was the jist of it and if somebody emerges as a clear leader from that process then they are ratified as leader at an Ard Fheis. That, he /she explained, is why it can look like a person is 'anointed'.

Take it or leave it as an explanation, if members don't like that they can leave, I guess.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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