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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #1742
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    "If it reinfects, virus could ‘end humanity,’ Netanyahu reportedly warned MKs

    TV report says Israeli PM set out nightmare scenarios to politicians from his Likud party at the height of the COVID-19 crisis"

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/if-it-reinfects-virus-could-end-humanity-netanyahu-reportedly-warned-mks/


  • #1743
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,207 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    kowloonkev wrote: »
    I'm honestly starting to think that we are now entering the stage where the pendulum has swung back the other way and it's more costly to keep the lockdown going than it is to allow most people to go about their lives as normal and help the economy recover.

    The mortality rate is probably somewhere in the region of 0.2% when we consider the huge amount of untested people who have had it without symptoms or with very mild symptoms.

    The restrictions are not being lifted fast enough. It's time to make a plan for the vulnerable, such as not allowing over 70's into pubs and restaurants, but I think overall we know enough about this virus now to know it's not a threat to the vast majority of people, and the bigger threat is now a great global depression that will kill tens of millions of people.

    Where are you getting the mortality rate figure from?


  • #1744
    Loozer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Loozer


    ek motor wrote: »
    "If it reinfects, virus could ‘end humanity,’ Netanyahu reportedly warned MKs

    TV report says Israeli PM set out nightmare scenarios to politicians from his Likud party at the height of the COVID-19 crisis"

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/if-it-reinfects-virus-could-end-humanity-netanyahu-reportedly-warned-mks/

    245 deaths

    Are they counting west bank and gaza


  • #1745
    zinfandel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭zinfandel


    Newtown90 wrote: »
    Same two house party's in our estate last night, got back from a walk for darkness into light at half 6 and one had restarted.

    Some people thinking it's great getting paid to party clearly and not giving a f##k about their neighbours.

    probably all the leaving cert students #outforsummer 1000's more back on the streets...


  • #1746
    Loozer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Loozer


    https://www.thesun.ie/news/5408102/coronavirus-in-ireland-tony-holohan-nursing-home-visitors/

    Irish sun but truly awful deflection and muddying of the waters from holahan


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  • #1747
    Loozer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Loozer


    He's actually telling the public not to blame themselves for infecting nursing home residents


  • #1748
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Loozer wrote: »
    He's actually telling the public not to blame themselves for infecting nursing home residents

    And telling us not to blame him for saying the Care Homes were wrong to stop visitors .


  • #1749
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    deise08 wrote: »
    Could they be for the darkness in to light walk?
    It's officially been cancelled but some people are doing their own thing.

    It was at 3am in the morning.


  • #1750
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Loozer wrote: »
    He's actually telling the public not to blame themselves for infecting nursing home residents
    No, he went on at length to state that the virus is very transmissible and that cases started to emerge well after it appeared in the community. He also pointed out that community first is always the right approach. If you're out to blame someone you'll look to the visitors anyway but don't forget to consider how well a nursing home might have been able to deal with an outbreak anyway.


  • #1751
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Does anyone know why clusters are appearing in meat factories and slaughter houses all over now .I am reading about it in Ireland but also in US and now in Germany .? Is there a logical reason I wonder


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  • #1752
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    deise08 wrote: »
    Could they be for the darkness in to light walk?
    It's officially been cancelled but some people are doing their own thing.

    It was probably the Sunrise Appeal :

    People were encouraged to get up this morning to watch the sun rise - observing social distance - and make a donation to Pieta House. Today was to be their annual Darkness into Light fundraiser and they are badly in need of funds (staff laid off during the week)

    https://www.pieta.ie/


  • #1753
    FionnK86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭FionnK86


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No, he went on at length to state that the virus is very transmissible and that cases started to emerge well after it appeared in the community. He also pointed out that community first is always the right approach. If you're out to blame someone you'll look to the visitors anyway but don't forget to consider how well a nursing home might have been able to deal with an outbreak anyway.

    Agency staff carers travel between houses and living with other carers are also thought to have spread it.


  • #1754
    Loozer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Loozer


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No, he went on at length to state that the virus is very transmissible and that cases started to emerge well after it appeared in the community. He also pointed out that community first is always the right approach. If you're out to blame someone you'll look to the visitors anyway but don't forget to consider how well a nursing home might have been able to deal with an outbreak anyway.

    "Following the infection"

    haven't they ever heard of a plan?


  • #1755
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    FionnK86 wrote: »
    Agency staff carers travel between houses and living with other carers are also thought to have spread it.
    Yeah, that's been mentioned a few times, plus in all likelihood some homes not following protocols correctly either through systemic issues or not having appropriate standards.


  • #1756
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Loozer wrote: »
    "Following the infection"

    haven't they ever heard of a plan?
    What plan is this?


  • #1757
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Does anyone know why clusters are appearing in meat factories and slaughter houses all over now .I am reading about it in Ireland but also in US and now in Germany .? Is there a logical reason I wonder

    interesting question, might it be down to their accommodation? im guessing a lot are in shared accommodation 6 to 8 in small houses?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #1758
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    silverharp wrote: »
    interesting question, might it be down to their accommodation? im guessing a lot are in shared accommodation 6 to 8 in small houses?
    Yes possibly so , would that apply to meat factories in Ireland I wonder ? I have no idea they operate .


  • #1759
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,418 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No, he went on at length to state that the virus is very transmissible and that cases started to emerge well after it appeared in the community. He also pointed out that community first is always the right approach. If you're out to blame someone you'll look to the visitors anyway but don't forget to consider how well a nursing home might have been able to deal with an outbreak anyway.

    At the time, nursing homes all ready had imposed restrictions, the HSE said they should have been lifted and to allow visitor access.

    It was highlighted on here as a monumental stupid and reckless thing to do at the time.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112794198&postcount=253

    There seems to be a history rewrite going on with Tony and the HSE.


  • #1760
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Loozer wrote: »
    245 deaths

    Are they counting west bank and gaza

    Palestine is counted seperately on Worldometers, 375 cases and 2 deaths.

    John Hopkins have allegedly merged Palestine figures with Israeli numbers.


  • #1761
    Snugglebunnies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭Snugglebunnies


    It's mad how there's such a difference of symptoms displayed in different people. My sister is a doctor, one of her colleagues had a runny nose and was sent home to be tested. She was positive, that was her only symptom.


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  • #1762
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Boggles wrote: »
    At the time, nursing homes all ready had imposed restrictions, the HSE said they should have been lifted and to allow visitor access.

    It was highlighted on here as a monumental stupid and reckless thing to do at the time.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112794198&postcount=253

    There seems to be a history rewrite going on with Tony and the HSE.
    He's explained that quite a few times, they wanted a coordinated response not a unilateral one. It wasn't just homes that were doing it, some random schools also closed. I understand why they wanted to have it as a consistent national approach.

    There seems to be a crossover point on when homes got infected but judging from what they say and the data they've shown on cases nobody can say definitely whether it was visitors or not. Agency staff and other personnel seems a more likely route to me.


  • #1763
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Yes possibly so , would that apply to meat factories in Ireland I wonder ? I have no idea they operate .

    aren't a lot of Brazilians employed in certain towns with meat plants here?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #1764
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    silverharp wrote: »
    aren't a lot of Brazilians employed in certain towns with meat plants here?
    Gort has a huge population of them, some have been here a very long time.


  • #1765
    Ineedaname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Ineedaname


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Does anyone know why clusters are appearing in meat factories and slaughter houses all over now .I am reading about it in Ireland but also in US and now in Germany .? Is there a logical reason I wonder

    I'd imagine it's down to cramped conditions and cold temperatures that allow the virus to spread more easily.

    It's also a volume based industry so there's a lot of pressure to meet demands. This can make it difficult for staff to consistently meet hygiene and distancing requirements.


  • #1766
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,497 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Ineedaname wrote:
    It's also a volume based industry so there's a lot of pressure to meet demands. This can make it difficult for staff to consistently meet hygiene and distancing requirements.
    Love the way you use meet twice considering the topic.


  • #1767
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,418 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    is_that_so wrote: »
    He's explained that quite a few times, they wanted a coordinated response not a unilateral one.

    Harris and the HSE refused to meet with the CEO of Nursing homes Ireland twice.

    Coordinated me bollix, stop spinning FFS.

    At best they were utterly wreckless towards nursing homes, at worse they were purposely abandoned.


  • #1768
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Snugglebunnies wrote: »
    It's mad how there's such a difference of symptoms displayed in different people. My sister is a doctor, one of her colleagues had a runny nose and was sent home to be tested. She was positive, that was her only symptom.

    I had a runny nose in February before the first case was announced here. Runny nose is very unusual for me. I don't have any allergies. And I might have been in contact with a potential case but they didn't have any travel to an affected country. Their kid was sick with symptoms, we met up, they were fine and a few days later friend got sick and was in hospital and I had a runny nose. And all this before our first case in Ireland.


  • #1769
    coastwatch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭coastwatch


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Does anyone know why clusters are appearing in meat factories and slaughter houses all over now .I am reading about it in Ireland but also in US and now in Germany .? Is there a logical reason I wonder

    Here's a good analysis of why meat plants seem to be a high risk for outbreaks.
    Summary,
    Tough manual work in close proximity to others and difficult to do with masks/ PPE.
    Low air temperatures, means airbourne virus can survive longer.
    High air flow systems used can spread the virus.
    Living conditions

    https://www.wired.com/story/why-meatpacking-plants-have-become-covid-19-hot-spots/


  • #1770
    Snugglebunnies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭Snugglebunnies


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I had a runny nose in February before the first case was announced here. Runny nose is very unusual for me. I don't have any allergies. And I might have been in contact with a potential case but they didn't have any travel to an affected country. Their kid was sick with symptoms, we met up, they were fine and a few days later friend got sick and was in hospital and I had a runny nose. And all this before our first case in Ireland.

    I suppose it's possible you had it, but the problem is nobody really knows because there's such a huge range of symptoms. If you did have it you'd have been very lucky that's the only symptom you had.


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  • #1771
    Away With The Fairies
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    Snugglebunnies wrote: »
    I suppose it's possible you had it, but the problem is nobody really knows because there's such a huge range of symptoms. If you did have it you'd have been very lucky that's the only symptom you had.

    If I did have it, I didn't isolate and I could have been spreading it.


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