Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

mean gene · 08-05-2020 07:56PM

GiftofGab wrote: »

If there's a Brazilian over here on a working tourists visa and is working 20 hours per week. But has since stopped working would they still be entitled to a salary/payment from government/work??

Probably clean up I've seen people working in supermarkets pack their part time job of 100 euros a week now getting the 350 disgrace they should get nowt

mean gene · 08-05-2020 07:57PM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

What would we do without the RIP heroes

Rip the rip looking for a thumbs up kudos

An Ciarraioch · 08-05-2020 08:25PM

Spain also planning to ease its lockdown from Monday - Madrid the most prominent area that has to stay put, but much of Catalonia, Valencia and Castille also under the strictest conditions:

SCOOP 64 · 08-05-2020 08:30PM

How many cases in ICU today ?

An Ciarraioch · 08-05-2020 08:32PM

73, so down another 3.

ShineOn7 · 08-05-2020 08:33PM

Today's Reddit/Gov.ie/briefing transcribings

I wasn't aware we had people dying of this in Ireland under the age of 30, let alone 20 (see red text below)

______________________________

New Cases: 156
Total Cases: 22541
New Deaths: 27
Denotified: 1
Total Deaths: 1429

Breakdown of deaths

Deaths: 1429
Hospitalised + died in hospital: 571 40.0%
Died in ICU: 69 4.8%
Underlying conditions: 1232 86.0%
Median age: 84
Mean age: 82

As of Wednesday 6th May

Cases: 22301
Hospitalised: 2915 13.1
Total In ICU: 73 1.70%
Median Age: 49
Healthcare workers: 6586 > Increase of 88

Of 378 in ICU

Remain in ICU: 74
Admitted in last 24 hours: 2

Residential Settings (Includes nursing homes)

Clusters: 412 > Increase of 6
Total Cases: 5594 > Increase of 109
Total Deaths: 899
Hospitalised: 406
Place of death 156 occurred in acute hospital environment.

Nursing Homes

Clusters: 238 > Increase of 3
Total Cases: 4393 > Increase of 84
Total Deaths: 777
Hospitalised: 281
Place of death 128 occurred in acute hospital environment.

% breakdown of Covid mortalities for those 45 and over in Ireland

45-49 : 1%
50-54 : 1%
55-59 : 2%
60-64 : 2%
65-69 : 5%
70-74 : 9%
75-79 : 13%
80-84 : 21%
85+ : 46%

QUESTIONS

Are you comfortable with the decision on the LC in preventing the spread of the virus?

It's given guidance to the students in this time of uncertainty. They have done what we have been advising people to do - understand the information and assess whether or not you can carry out a function as per normal.

How likely is it for schools to reopen in September if LC can't take place in the end of July?

Informing advice that they need to make available
If things go well, it can happen, but we cannot predict it
If we can step our way through easing of restrictions as per the roadmap, and the virus reproductive number stays below 1, hope that we would be in the position for schools to reopen
Needs to be assessed whether it’s a full reopening

Cancer screening - concerns about smears yet to be done, or abnormal results. Is there any date set for resumption of cancer screening?

Different labs entirely doing cancer screening compared to those carrying out Covid testing (Covid - microbiology lab, cancer screen - cytology and histopathology
Looking at arrangements need to be put in place to resume screening.
We know people are concerned, but there are challenges that need to be overcome

What is the bench mark for people being able to travel back home to Ireland?

Advice has always been to avoid non-essential travel
Looking at measures that would give greater assurance for when non-essential travel happens - both in and out of the island

Update on Direct Provision numbers as asked yesterday?

As of midnight last night, there were 12 clusters in Direct Provision
149 cases - increased from 88
12 cases hospitalised - increased by 2 from last week

Quarter of DP to be tested. Was it discussed today if all were to be tested?

Discussed today. Director of HPSC will be assessing this today

Compliance an issue?

Have data to show
Self reporting surveys show a high level of compliance
Hard data corroberates that
Google data - shows higher residential activity, people staying at home
Retail and recreation, grocery and pharmacy, parks, transit stations, workplaces - susbtantial reduction in each of these areas between the middle and end of March. They have pretty much stayed at the same level over the past couple of weeks
Traffic data - overall reduction in trend. 6-7th March just over 700,000 cars on the road. When stringent measures were introduced, fell to 336,000. Has fallen and now mainted
Heavy goods materials - has reduced by about 20,000 vehicles
Total numbers of daily passengers - close to 900,000 at the start of March. From around the middle of March it fell to around 800,000. End of March to now, it has dropped to below 100,000 - around 70,000 now
ATM transactions - indicative of people being out and about. Haven't seen a change or uptick in this
Apple data a few weeks ago had shown an increase in movement, however we have seen this drop now

How come we seem to be reopening slowly?

Each country effected differently - transmission patterns are not the same
Countries infected at different times
Different measures in place in each country, and different approaches taken

Clusters in workplaces. Do you have more info on that?

10 clusters across 10 different facilities - 566 cases
HSE convened national outbreak control team, who will be taking a range of actions to mitigate and prevent the onward spread of that.

Testing criteria expanded. Do you know if that has resulted in an increase in people going for a test?

About a doubling of referrals from general practice - well within what was predicted, and sampling and testing capacity.

What data do you have about the statement you made on the Sean O'Rourke show, relating to the virus not being present in nursing homes before restrictions were in place?

Experience of epidemic in population, with positives put back to date when the swab was taken.
29th Feb, cases in general population
14th March saw a big increase in general population
12th March, no visiting nursing homes
Infection took off in the community just after 14th
Infection took off in nursing homes around the 28th March
No visitors were allowed in from the 12th.
Individuals who visited during the time know who they are, and may feel a sense of guilt. This is a highly transmissible virus, more transmissible than the flu. The flu shows this kind of pattern every year, though Covid has had much higher numbers. No individuals visiting loved ones are responsible for the spread of infection within the nursing homes
Clusters were identified within the 2 week incubation period after the 12th - however not as easy to explain that this is what caused the transmission
To suppress the infection in the community, to contain it within households. If we didn't focus on suppressing the virus in the community, it would have spread to far more vulnerable people within the community and in the nursing homes

Age Cases Deaths
< 4 120 0
4-9 108 0
10-14 145 0
15-19 357 <5
20-24 122 <5
25-29 1719 <5
30-34 1970 <5
35-39 1944 6
40-44 1981 5
45-49 2171 9
50-54 1949 13
55-59 1707 30
60-64 1262 25
65-69 771 69
70-74 910 128
75-79 974 180
80-84 1241 304
85+ 2329 652

polesheep · 08-05-2020 08:34PM

Eod100 wrote: »

''Normal humans''. General population or settled community would have been fine. Fairly revealing term you've used there

I agree, 'normal humans' is a terrible term to use. 'General population' would have been appropriate. However, 'settled community' is as much an insult as 'knacker'.

polesheep · 08-05-2020 08:35PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

anyone?

Fear, that's what they have.

Martina1991 · 08-05-2020 08:52PM

Miike wrote:

I was about to PM you! Do you have notion of what test the "rapid testing facility" is using? Even an idea? I know of a cassette test but I didn't think it's approved yet

Rapid testing facility?
I haven't heard of that. I didn't catch the end of the briefing.

stephenjmcd · 08-05-2020 08:56PM

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

How many cases in ICU today ?

HSE data today tonight should be out later tonight

DevilsHaircut · 08-05-2020 09:00PM

I don't think this has been posted...

'over 99% of the patients who self-reported or had laboratory documented SARS-CoV-2 infection developed IgG antibodies [tested by lab-based ELISA, not finger-prick test]'

'the level of antibodies did not differ by age or sex, and even people who had only mild symptoms produced a healthy amount'

Source paper: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.30.20085613v1

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1258753525997322240

Miike · 08-05-2020 09:01PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Rapid testing facility?
I haven't heard of that. I didn't catch the end of the briefing.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/new-hub-dublin-will-allow-rapid-covid-19-testing-people-homeless-accommodation-1012217

I've heard this chatter around too, this was just the first search result in Google. Dr Siobhan Ni Bhriain commented she'll find out the exact test. I'm dying of curiosity!

fr336 · 08-05-2020 09:09PM

See the Brits on TV gathering in big street crowds singing "We'll meet again" for VE day. Great, but considering the country is near shut down I find it bizarre they're mixing so closely for both this and the weekly NHS thank yous. We spend all day avoiding people and social distancing and then gather in big crowds. The one a few weeks back with the police on Westminster Bridge took the biscuit. Just bizarre!

Stheno · 08-05-2020 09:28PM

Miike wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/news/new-hub-dublin-will-allow-rapid-covid-19-testing-people-homeless-accommodation-1012217

I've heard this chatter around too, this was just the first search result in Google. Dr Siobhan Ni Bhriain commented she'll find out the exact test. I'm dying of curiosity!

Abbot have a 15 minute test which is used on Trump, but allegedly has a 15% false negative rate despite being FDA approved

I think it's one of those fingerprick ones

Martina1991 · 08-05-2020 09:39PM

Miike wrote:

I've heard this chatter around too, this was just the first search result in Google. Dr Siobhan Ni Bhriain commented she'll find out the exact test. I'm dying of curiosity!

Interesting.
I'd be very interested to see what platform they're using, the sensitivity, specificity and the throughput.

Martina1991 · 08-05-2020 09:50PM

Stheno wrote: »

Abbot have a 15 minute test which is used on Trump, but allegedly has a 15% false negative rate despite being FDA approved

I think it's one of those fingerprick ones

It was given emergency authorisation use by the FDA.

That means unreliable, untested products can be released for use if no other tests are available. I wouldn't trust it.

It can only run one test at a time. So it can do 4 in an hour. That's not very useful to test a large population.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/false-negatives-in-quick-covid-19-test-near-15-percent-study-67451/amp

juno10353 · 08-05-2020 09:58PM

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/hundreds-of-forgotten-irish-on-breadline-in-lanzarote-amid-covid-19-lockdown-claims-army-veteran-998379.html#.XrVObr1Z2lh.facebook

unhappys10 · 08-05-2020 10:02PM

juno10353 wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/hundreds-of-forgotten-irish-on-breadline-in-lanzarote-amid-covid-19-lockdown-claims-army-veteran-998379.html#.XrVObr1Z2lh.facebook

Anything to say about this yourself??

Miike · 08-05-2020 10:04PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Interesting.
I'd be very interested to see what platform they're using, the sensitivity, specificity and the throughput.

Its a CRISPR Cas12 lateral flow assay, supposedly. Don't hold me to that - It's third hand information from a colleague who works in a related field :pac:

Following discussion with another boardsie, it seems like its going to be the GeneXpert platform. It makes the most sense anyway. I suppose well find out more tomorrow.

Hmmzis · 08-05-2020 10:11PM

Miike wrote: »

Its a CRISPR Cas12 lateral flow assay, supposedly. Don't hold me to that - It's third hand information from a colleague who works in a related field :pac:

This one?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-020-0513-4

Specificity 100%, sensitivity 95%

If this shows positive, it's positive. If negative, then a PCR test might be needed to exclude a false negative.

Polar101 · 08-05-2020 10:12PM

More results from the ongoing antibody study in Finland. Only 2.4% of the people found with antibodies, and neutralising antibodies in only three out of 1146 samples. Previously they had expected the number of people infected to be 20-30 times higher than confirmed cases (which is 5738 at the moment), but now the data seems to suggest the numbers are not that high after all.

And that 2.4% is in the greater Helsinki area, so they believe that elsewhere in the country the numbers are even lower. These samples were taken between April 20th and May 3rd, so this is quite recent data.

Link to the story: Antibody testing suggests severe second wave of infections likely
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/thl_antibody_testing_suggests_severe_second_wave_of_infections_likely/11343563

Stheno · 08-05-2020 10:13PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

It was given emergency authorisation use by the FDA.

That means unreliable, untested products can be released for use if no other tests are available. I wouldn't trust it.

It can only run one test at a time. So it can do 4 in an hour. That's not very useful to test a large population.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/false-negatives-in-quick-covid-19-test-near-15-percent-study-67451/amp

I think it's hilarious that it's the test they are using on Trump with that false negative rate cos he doesn't like the swab test :rolleyes:

If you sont mind me asking how many of the swabs can be processed at a time? Does it depend on the size of the machine that hold/process the samples?

Strumms · 08-05-2020 10:14PM

It’s a tough one BUT... the shît hitting the fan across the planet, Ireland gets its house in order to support the Irish resident, living here, spending/working here and contributing directly to the economy via all taxes.

The state simply doesn’t have the resources clearly to take responsibility for and aid all the Irish Diaspora across the planet. Nor should they. The individuals mentioned chose to leave the state for a different life, other opportunities and good luck to them... you can’t expect though to just pick up the phone to the Irish Department of Social Welfare with your hand out and say... “ hey, things a bit tits up over here too so send us some cash !”...

If you ain’t contributing you can’t be taking...

Miike · 08-05-2020 10:17PM

Hmmzis wrote: »

This one?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-020-0513-4

Specificity 100%, sensitivity 95%

If this shows positive, it's positive. If negative, then a PCR test might be needed to exclude a false negative.

I couldn't say. I've posted all the information I have which is at best, hear say, as I said it's third hand information. It may not even be a CRISPR Cas12 based test.

igCorcaigh · 08-05-2020 10:17PM

Polar101 wrote: »

More results from the ongoing antibody study in Finland. Only 2.4% of the people found with antibodies, and neutralising antibodies in only three out of 1146 samples. Previously they had expected the number of people infected to be 20-30 times higher than confirmed cases (which is 5738 at the moment), but now the data seems to suggest the numbers are not that high after all.

And that 2.4% is in the greater Helsinki area, so they believe that elsewhere in the country the numbers are even lower. These samples were taken between April 20th and May 3rd, so this is quite recent data.

Link to the story: Antibody testing suggests severe second wave of infections likely
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/thl_antibody_testing_suggests_severe_second_wave_of_infections_likely/11343563

Thank you for that, I was waiting to see the results. Not good news unfortunately.

Plumbthedepths · 08-05-2020 10:18PM

Strumms wrote: »

It’s a tough one BUT... the shît hitting the fan across the planet, Ireland gets its house in order to support the Irish resident, living here, spending/working here and contributing directly to the economy via all taxes.

The state simply doesn’t have the resources clearly to take responsibility for and aid all the Irish Diaspora across the planet. Nor should they. The individuals mentioned chose to leave the state for a different life, other opportunities and good luck to them... you can’t expect though to just pick up the phone to the Irish Department of Social Welfare with your hand out and say... “ hey, things a bit tits up over here too so send us some cash !”...

If you ain’t contributing you can’t be taking...

Care to share?

juno10353 · 08-05-2020 10:20PM

https://www.facebook.com/groups/159652755489284/?ref=share

Many workers in Lanzarote, have yet to receive government payment after 55 days of strict lockdown. Those in need are dependent on charity groups such as Emerlan (means emergency) to supply food parcels and emergency accommodation. 2 Irish musicians on the island have United other island musicians for live Emerlan benefit FB concert Sunday 10th. The Irish being pro active in helping their fellow islanders. Makes me proud

GM228 · 08-05-2020 10:23PM

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-cases-3-day-average?time=2020-03-01..&country=RUS

In today's Johns Hopkins update they are predicting with that growth rate that Russia will overtake the UK, Italy and Spain and be #2 to the US.

Russia reported 10,699 new cases, continuing its recent trend of more than 10,000 new cases per day. At this pace, Russia could potentially overtake the United Kingdom, Italy, and Spain by early next week to reach #2 globally, behind the United States

Stheno · 08-05-2020 10:26PM

Polar101 wrote: »

More results from the ongoing antibody study in Finland. Only 2.4% of the people found with antibodies, and neutralising antibodies in only three out of 1146 samples. Previously they had expected the number of people infected to be 20-30 times higher than confirmed cases (which is 5738 at the moment), but now the data seems to suggest the numbers are not that high after all.

And that 2.4% is in the greater Helsinki area, so they believe that elsewhere in the country the numbers are even lower. These samples were taken between April 20th and May 3rd, so this is quite recent data.

Link to the story: Antibody testing suggests severe second wave of infections likely
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/thl_antibody_testing_suggests_severe_second_wave_of_infections_likely/11343563

That's not good news

mandrake04 · 08-05-2020 10:26PM

Miike wrote: »

I was about to PM you! :pac: Do you have notion of what test the "rapid testing facility" is using? Even an idea? I know of a cassette test but I didn't think it's approved yet

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-nursing-homes-remain-area-of-concern-harris-says-1.4248422?mode=amp

Cepheid GeneXpert and Abbott Alere are both trusted POC cartridge based trusted molecular platforms. Both have EUAs.

These are in use in Ireland

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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