Is it just me or have SF vanished?

gormdubhgorm · 08-05-2020 07:34PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You can do this with all parties. I couldn't be arsed going looking for examples of TD's, Councillors and members of other parties saying the wrong thing. But they most definitely are there.

There is definitely an undercurrent there with SF. Don't mind what it says on the SF website. Many vote SF because they don't want the immigrants coming in and Vadradkar is an Indian Fággot anyway etc.
Ties in with the true Gael guff - freedom and so on.

gormdubhgorm · 08-05-2020 07:38PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is the reason?

Is the mask slipping here, like Leo's did in the Dail and on Pat Kenny this AM?

The vast majority of the elected SF members in those areas are from those areas. Are they not allowed to vote for who they want, for who best represents them?
You are dangerously close to coming across as a snob and superior yourself here. Just sayin.

There is no mask slipping SF cannot get reps in any other areas simple as that.
(ironic you say mask in the context of SF blaclava and the current covid19 by the way)

Most new SF reps have not had much in the way of education they came straight in. Mark Ward and so on. Nor do they speak well or have coherent policy of thier own. That is just the way of it. Maybe Mary Lou and Joanne McDonald fancied a bit of rough from the wrong sides of the tracks. God knows how they ended up in the fold.
But lets put it this way there are certain areas of Ireland who will never have a SF rep. Why? Because the electorate there is educated and can see through populism and so on. They are not looking for someone else to blame.

FrancieBrady · 08-05-2020 07:42PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

There is definitely an undercurrent there with SF. Don't mind what it says on the SF website. Many vote SF because they don't want the immigrants coming in and Vadradkar is an Indian Fággot anyway etc.
Ties in with the true Gael guff - freedom and so on.

So there isn't anything on the website saying this stuff...there isn't a single SF policy in existence that is designed to 'stop immigrants coming in', in fact they spend a lot of time doing the opposite and calling for reform of Direct Provision etc, and one Councillor goes off on an incoherent waffle (did he use that F word to describe Leo?...I don't think he did) and it is an 'undercurrent with SF' and 'many vote for them because they don't want immigrants coming in'?

You don't require a lot of proof do you? You seem to have a bit of a problem with exaggeration actually (e.g The 'F' word)

FrancieBrady · 08-05-2020 07:45PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

There is no mask slipping SF cannot get reps in any other areas simple as that.
(ironic you say mask in the context of SF blaclava and the current covid19 by the way)

Most new SF reps have not had much in the way of education they came straight in. Mark Ward and so on. Nor do they speak well or have coherent policy of thier own. That is just the way of it. Maybe Mary Lou and Joanne McDonald fancied a bit of rough from the wrong sides of the tracks. God knows how they ended up in the fold.
But lets put it this way there are certain areas of Ireland who will never have a SF rep. Why? Because the electorate there is educated and can see through populism and so on. They are not looking for someone else to blame.

Any self awareness to realise how that makes you sound? Pretty stunning stuff. Take her handy. Going out side for a glass of prosecco in the evening sun and some fresh air.

08-05-2020 07:45PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

There is definitely an undercurrent there with SF. Don't mind what it says on the SF website. Many vote SF because they don't want the immigrants coming in and Vadradkar is an Indian Fággot anyway etc.
Ties in with the true Gael guff - freedom and so on.

SF are literally an open borders party,

Of all the critisms of them,racism is the least relevant (indeed varadkar mother is from same county myself,hes been a terrible let down,all things said)

McMurphy · 08-05-2020 07:47PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Oh yeah SF is a bastion of professionalism in the political area.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/sinn-fein-councillor-apologises-for-stay-the-f-at-home-email-to-constituent-995190.html

https://news.sky.com/story/paddy-holohan-ex-mma-fighter-suspended-as-sinn-fein-councillor-over-underage-girl-remarks-11911168

It do not attract yahoo's at all!

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is thier voter base who they play up to. Remember AOS referred to Shatter as Goebbels?

Then we recently had the O'Riada comments. Also Paddy Hoolahan's comments which which embarrassed SF.

There is definitely a thread there.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/29652064_Why_is_there_no_Radical_Right_Party_in_Ireland

FFS Oliver Flanagan was a raging anti Semite and Ends Kenny got into a spot of bother for a bit of casual racism and using the N word, but it's hardly proof the whole of FG are anti semite racists.

Try harder.

gormdubhgorm · 08-05-2020 07:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So outside your imagination,noone means this nor has said it....whatever medication your on,up the dosage,your losing touch with reality

Republicans reject trappings of monarchy,your really poor at this

To critise isreal is not anti-sematic....thats bush1t and just am excuse used to shut down critism of their carry-on.

So is AOS calling Alan Shatter Goebbels anti-semetic or is it just a bit of craic?

I can see right through SF and the types they attract. Granted the more intelligent in SF know when to play with words in circles mostly. But there is a large cohort in SF who sound just like thier electorate - an undercurrent of anti-immigrant types, pining for the days of the gun and rubbing shíte on the walls.

gormdubhgorm · 08-05-2020 07:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

SF are literally an open borders party,

Of all the critisms of them,racism is the least relevant

I do not buy this one iota. Open borders mo thoin! SF are one of the most myopic parties on this island. Tied with the DUP in my view.
Again you only have to look at thier core voter base.

gormdubhgorm · 08-05-2020 07:52PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Any self awareness to realise how that makes you sound? Pretty stunning stuff. Take her handy. Going out side for a glass of prosecco in the evening sun and some fresh air.

I don't really care how it makes me sound. I am saying what I see and hear around SF.
Again, the majority of the electorate agree with me.

Shefwedfan · 08-05-2020 07:58PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

There is definitely an undercurrent there with SF. Don't mind what it says on the SF website. Many vote SF because they don't want the immigrants coming in and Vadradkar is an Indian Fággot anyway etc.
Ties in with the true Gael guff - freedom and so on.

Just check out the SF supporters all over facebook if you want a display of this....half the time it is a competition on who can say the most racist or insulting thing in regards to other parties

As usual you will get "ahh sure that is facebook". You would have the exact same on here only people would get banned.

08-05-2020 08:00PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I do not buy this one iota. Open borders mo thoin! SF are one of the most myopic parties on this island. Tied with the DUP in my view.
Again you only have to look at thier core voter base.

Well like your free to not believe it....but there is zero evidence to support your inane ramblings here (but your free to believe them,and thats ok too)

Sinn Fein is decidedly pro-immigration; it regularly makes its progressive and multicultural views known, and anti-immigration rhetoric has never formed part of the party narrative, even when weighed against its strong adherence to Irish nationalism.

from forgienpolicy.com

FrancieBrady · 08-05-2020 08:03PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I don't really care how it makes me sound. I am saying what I see and hear around SF.
Again, the majority of the electorate agree with me.

How do you figure the majority agree with you?

FrancieBrady · 08-05-2020 08:06PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Just check out the SF supporters all over facebook if you want a display of this....half the time it is a competition on who can say the most racist or insulting thing in regards to other parties

As usual you will get "ahh sure that is facebook". You would have the exact same on here only people would get banned.

Are you sure you are not just seeing what you want to see?

If you have data showing that it is all coming from SF, can we see it?

TheCitizen · 08-05-2020 08:08PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

So is AOS calling Alan Shatter Goebbels anti-semetic or is it just a bit of craic?

I can see right through SF and the types they attract. Granted the more intelligent in SF know when to play with words in circles mostly. But there is a large cohort in SF who sound just like thier electorate - an undercurrent of anti-immigrant types, pining for the days of the gun and rubbing shíte on the walls.

SF’s voteshare has increased to 25 percent. At the same time FFG’s vote share has shrunk. They’re taking votes off FFG or they are kids of people who used to vote FFG. Your depiction of a significant and growing portion of the electorate is quite frankly disgusting and ironically given your reference to racism and xenophobia you’re using the sort of hate language that racists would use.

As well as that it’s nonsensical. FF were preparing to do a deal with SF after the election but when the results were finalised went against it. FG despite protestations to the contrary would also go into government with SF in certain circumstances at some point in the future.

Your attempt to marginalise SF is stupid and counter productive. People open to voting SF will not be turned off by lunatic assertions like yours in fact they may be encouraged to vote for SF given that you come across as an angry foaming at mouth lunatic. You’re angry because you know that they have a huge opportunity to grow in opposition and become the biggest political party in the country. The language and aggression from you is desperately poor stuff. SF will gain support because of lunatic opinions like yours. Keep it up pal.

Shefwedfan · 08-05-2020 08:14PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

SF’s voteshare has increased to 25 percent. At the same time FFG’s vote share has shrunk. They’re taking votes off FFG or they are kids of people who used to vote FFG. Your depiction of a significant and growing portion of the electorate is quite frankly disgusting and ironically given your reference to racism and xenophobia you’re using the sort of hate language that racists would use.

As well as that it’s nonsensical. FF were preparing to do a deal with SF after the election but when the results were finalised went against it. FG despite protestations to the contrary would also go into government with SF in certain circumstances at some point in the future.

Your attempt to marginalise SF is stupid and counter productive. People open to voting SF will not be turned off by lunatic assertions like yours in fact they may be encouraged to vote for SF given that you come across as an angry foaming at mouth lunatic. You’re angry because you know that they have a huge opportunity to grow in opposition and become the biggest political party in the country. The language and aggression from you is desperately poor stuff. SF will gain support because of lunatic opinions like yours. Keep it up pal.

It was one election. The 2019 local election, how did they go for SF?

Let's see what happens in another election before we completely write off FF/FG.....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-needs-to-cop-on-after-electoral-nosedive-mcdonald-1.3910810

As her party reflects on its bruising at the polls, Ms McDonald said she didn’t see it coming and has yet to work out what factors were chiefly to blame.
“Did I imagine we were going to have such a bad day out, such a disappointing result? The answer to that is no,” she said.

It is worth noting she said the exact same thing about the success this time and they didn't see it coming. So which one is it next time? I doubt SF even know

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0602/1053007-local-elections-2019/

TheCitizen · 08-05-2020 08:23PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

It was one election. The 2019 local election, how did they go for SF?

Let's see what happens in another election before we completely write off FF/FG.....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-f%C3%A9in-needs-to-cop-on-after-electoral-nosedive-mcdonald-1.3910810

As her party reflects on its bruising at the polls, Ms McDonald said she didn’t see it coming and has yet to work out what factors were chiefly to blame.
“Did I imagine we were going to have such a bad day out, such a disappointing result? The answer to that is no,” she said.

It is worth noting she said the exact same thing about the success this time and they didn't see it coming. So which one is it next time? I doubt SF even know

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0602/1053007-local-elections-2019/

FFG’s overall shrinking in their vote share is not one election or a once off result. It’s a steady decline over several decades.

They used to command around 80 percent of the vote between them. Now they don’t have enough between them to form a government together without support from others. But hey you carry on thinking nothing has changed eh.

FrancieBrady · 08-05-2020 08:28PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

FFG’s overall shrinking in their vote share is not one election or a once off result. It’s a steady decline over several decades.

They used to command around 80 percent of the vote between them. Now they don’t have enough between them to form a government together without support from others. But hey you carry on thinking nothing has changed eh.

Spot on analysis. 84% was their highest point I think.
C&S first, now a Coalition to cling on. Merger and or obliteration of one of them next as our political systems continue to mature.

Shefwedfan · 08-05-2020 08:32PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

FFG’s overall shrinking in their vote share is not one election or a once off result. It’s a steady decline over several decades.

They used to command around 80 percent of the vote between them. Now they don’t have enough between them to form a government together without support from others. But hey you carry on thinking nothing has changed eh.

You are saying FF/FG are losing votes to SF. I am just pointing out it was one election for SF....come back after the next one and see how they are doing.

This time last year SF was on it's ass.

The bigger winners in both elections has been the Greens. Don't see them shouting about the demise of FF/FG

James Brown · 08-05-2020 08:34PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If you say so, fact is I asked about what they have done in 30 years and your post mentioned IRA....can’t complain now when people bring IRA into conversation....you do it yourself

Fact is you're writing your own narrative here, explains you lack of quotes.
I've already explained this to you twice.

Now can you name the member of SF involved in the killing of Paul Quinn or are you just blowing smoke?

James Brown · 08-05-2020 08:40PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You can do this with all parties. I couldn't be arsed going looking for examples of TD's, Councillors and members of other parties saying the wrong thing. But they most definitely are there.

Imagine if every FG thread became a discussion on the blueshirts, FG's antisemetic members from back in the day and the Cosgrave heavy gang? Silly pointless, tedious.

James Brown · 08-05-2020 08:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Everyone knows who killed paul quinn??
(No shinner iirc)

Its freely available on that OS site(aswell as soldier F identity unmasking)

Shefwedfan brought it up during one of his pretend to talk about SF/politics, 'RA diversions.

08-05-2020 08:43PM

Bowie wrote: »

Shefwedfan brought it up during one of his pretend to talk about SF/politics 'Ra diversions.

Well lookit,could be worse

He could be indulging his fetish for topless micheal martin pics **shudders**

Shefwedfan · 08-05-2020 08:47PM

Bowie wrote: »

Fact is you're writing your own narrative here, explains you lack of quotes.
I've already explained this to you twice.

Now can you name the member of SF involved in the killing of Paul Quinn or are you just blowing smoke?

As I said, can't connect IRA and SF one minute and then next say they are not connected

Don't worry, I will continue to remind you. In case you didn't know about Paul Quinn. He was brutally beaten, had every bone in his body from neck down broken by iron bars,his ear ripped off, his bones sticking out.

When asked Conor Murphy said he was a criminal. Then when asked to supply information he had none. Real nice person isn't he?

So what was it you said about SF and the IRA have done for the Irish people in last 30 years??

Shefwedfan · 08-05-2020 08:51PM

Bowie wrote: »

Shefwedfan brought it up during one of his pretend to talk about SF/politics, 'RA diversions.

Lets remind everyone of your post on what SF have done for last 30 year in the South of Ireland

Bowie wrote: »

As much if not more than every other opposition party/TD. Called out cronyism and incompetence. Why even FG's Leo would relish such an opportunity for the good of the country. The opposition play an important roll.
As for SF specifically it's hard to say. They would have played a roll in every failed policy FF/FG stood down. Every positive for the country they supported and having connections with the north and the IRA were likely invaluable in obtaining peace. If you are looking for policies they implemented you'd likely need look at local level.
I suspect this is just another of your non-attack attacks on SF and you've no interest in any response, but there it is anyway.

So I will accept the apology no win regards the silly accusation about me bringing it up. At least stand over one of your idiotic posts

FrancieBrady · 08-05-2020 08:51PM

Bowie wrote: »

Imagine if every FG thread became a discussion on the blueshirts, FG's antisemetic members from back in the day and the Cosgrave heavy gang? Silly pointless, tedious.

Currently you have one of them thinks Belfast is 'overseas'.

08-05-2020 08:59PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Currently you have one of them thinks Belfast is 'overseas'.

You'd be mortified of his connections to waterford

FrancieBrady · 08-05-2020 09:08PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You'd be mortified of his connections to waterford

?? Do tell

TheCitizen · 08-05-2020 09:11PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You are saying FF/FG are losing votes to SF. I am just pointing out it was one election for SF....come back after the next one and see how they are doing.

This time last year SF was on it's ass.

The bigger winners in both elections has been the Greens. Don't see them shouting about the demise of FF/FG

No one needs to shout about the demise of FFG, it’s just a fact. The figures speak for themselves

James Brown · 08-05-2020 09:12PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

As I said, can't connect IRA and SF one minute and then next say they are not connected

Don't worry, I will continue to remind you. In case you didn't know about Paul Quinn. He was brutally beaten, had every bone in his body from neck down broken by iron bars,his ear ripped off, his bones sticking out.

When asked Conor Murphy said he was a criminal. Then when asked to supply information he had none. Real nice person isn't he?

So what was it you said about SF and the IRA have done for the Irish people in last 30 years??

Explained this to you a number of times. I feel you just bail on in to the thread and post without reading responses.

What has his killing got to do with a SF thread?

Already responded and you ignored it to talk IRA and ignorantly speak of them having no democratic mandate :rolleyes:

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Lets remind everyone of your post on what SF have done for last 30 year in the South of Ireland

So I will accept the apology no win regards the silly accusation about me bringing it up. At least stand over one of your idiotic posts

My post answering your question, you missed, came after this lil' nugget:

Shefwedfan wrote: »

...I felt her interview on the LLS was good till the "up da Ra" question which she was let down with.

And this doozy you also forgot to clarify:

Sitting in the opposition is not helping anyone

And I assume you missed this as well:

Bowie wrote: »

...
If I was over in the FG thread and people kept going on about racism/nazism and FG I'd be as bored too. They merit reference, (IRA/Nazis-Blueshirts) but in context not constantly. Change the record, it's got Ohh Ahh up the 'Ra on it .

In short I don't care that you mentioned the 'RA first. That was your little dig because I said it was pointless and boring to mention them out of context constantly.
I guess when others criticise FF/FG policies and actions you feel you need to go IRA even though you don't support FG *wink*. Sad.

Cula bula comrade?

Shefwedfan · 08-05-2020 09:56PM

^^

Surprise Surprise. Another long ramble of a post.

What has his killing got to do with a SF thread. Work it out yourself.

I do find it terrible the best you could come up with for SF was they sat in opposition, even the PBP numties got things done in the short time they where in government. Must be fairly deflating to spend all your time defending a party who have done nothing in 30 years for Ireland. But you keep supporting them, I am sure they will come good soon, maybe sometime around 2050

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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