Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Sweden with 135 deaths so far today, compared to 8 for Denmark and 5 for Finland, so little evidence that their approach is stemming the spread of the virus.

This isn't a fair comparison to Sweden. Sweden are actively going for herd compromise and are effectively front-loading their deaths. Their argument is that other countries cannot sustain a lockdown, so even though the death rates in other countries are currently suppressed they will eventually total similar to Sweden.

Whether that strategy works or not is another thing, but I dislike deceptive stats

Deleted User wrote: »

Okay, fair enough, though I think you overdid the response. Can you find similar evidence from a county slightly closer to home and not so isolated. Say, for example, a European country? Because I don’t see Ireland ever going it alone in the northern hemisphere re. quarantine

Over to you. If you can find anything I will stand corrected (and, by the way, I have no issue with banning non citizens as a general rule)

In Slovakia all incoming travellers were into forced quarantine, until tested and cleared.

Edit: just noticed it has already been answered.

Please explain what you mean by this? Are you talking deaths? Cases? What?

Deaths. The poster I was responding to compared Sweden's daily death total to Denmark and Finland.

hmmm wrote:

This isn't a fair comparison to Sweden. Sweden are actively going for herd compromise and are effectively front-loading their deaths. Their argument is that other countries cannot sustain a lockdown, so even though the death rates in other countries are currently suppressed they will eventually total similar to Sweden.

Whether that strategy works or not is another thing, but I dislike deceptive stats

So basically a bunch of murderers making decisions in Sweden is what you are saying.
Even if it does even out with other countries, at least some here got more time on this earth because of it and many possibly prepared themselves for it while protected and didn't die.

growleaves wrote: »

Deaths. The poster I was responding to compared Sweden's daily death total to Denmark and Finland.

Here is a comparison with another neighbour.

US2 wrote: »

The people who it will affect should hide away is what I'm saying. We gave the government 8 weeks to prepare. You cant lock young fit people up much longer to save a few who are already passed there sell by date.

So you are willing to sacrifice your pAarents/ grandparents and any of your friendship/ family who may have a diagnosed/ undiagnosed condition, hey you might even have something lurking, certainly a selfish attitude

growleaves wrote: »

I asked for an explanation of why posters here favour comparisons of Sweden with near neighbours but not comparisons that are outwith Scandanavia.

Surely you can answer that one yourself, it's not that difficult.

I highlighted a clue in your post.

growleaves wrote: »

We're just going to go around and around in circles then are we?

I asked for an explanation of why posters here favour comparisons of Sweden with near neighbours but not comparisons that are outwith Scandanavia.

You responded with a comparison between Sweden and Norway.

Maybe someone could go out on a limb and bring in Greenland and Iceland - just to expand our perspective.

Given France, Italy and Spain were the European epicentres before any country took decisions on lockdowns, and the UK is much more densely populated, the only country that Sweden compares favourably to is Belgium.

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Given France, Italy and Spain were the European epicentres before any country took decisions on lockdowns, and the UK is much more densely populated, the only country that Sweden compares favourably to is Belgium.

'the UK is more densely populated' - so for instance you're saying that population density is more significant than lockdown. Might not other factors be more significant also?

Why isn't mortality way down in France, Italy, Spain since they went into lockdown 6 six weeks ago (or whenever it was)? Does the lockdown not have a significant effect if the disease is already rampant?

Then of course Sweden is 'front-loading' its mortality which means it may become more lower down within the EU average in time.

These are things to think about before making a total emotional and intellectual commitment to the mysterious wonders of lockdown.

Italy reports 1,327 new cases of coronavirus and 243 new deaths.

Total of 217,185 cases and 30,201 deaths.

growleaves wrote: »

Then of course Sweden is 'front-loading' its mortality which means it may become more lower down within the EU average in time.

Not necessarily.

There is some promising drugs been trialed at the moment, it could well be by the time Sweden have "front loaded" their deaths treatments could significantly reduce them.