Is it just me or have SF vanished?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And the fact charlie flanagan labeled anyone raising queries surronding commerating black and tans/auxies as sinister elements (FG talk for terrorist)

Kinda just highlights how out of touch they are with the country....tell him head on down to kilmicheal this november and demand they commerated those they made clean sweep of

There ll be many people at Kilmichael who would support a commemoration for the RIC..

BloodyBill wrote: »

Seriously it comes as a shock to you that centre right Southern voters have more in common with ordinary Unionists than with left wing Socialist Republicans. Did you honestly think that? Often travelled up to Northern Ireland to the Balmoral show as a kid showing cattle and the like and made great relationships. Do you think Irish rural dwellers or indeed middle class Dubs or Corkonians ect. have anything in common with council house Republicans from Weat Belfast or Derry.

"Council house Republicans" hmmmm. You say that like it's a bad thing which says a lot about you really, people in council houses North and South have votes as well btw.

Also SF have a broad range of support in Northern Ireland and in the Republic that goes beyond "council house Republicans" as you describe them.

BloodyBill wrote: »

The DUP have a few extremists. We all know that. I wouldn't paint them all with the one brush. Same as I wouldnt paint individual Sinn Feiners . The left wing outlook ,policies and republican past of Sinn Fein as a party will be what keeps it out of government in the South for good. Ireland is a conservative place ,always has been.

Ireland is conservative? Well it used to be. Socially though we've seen massive changes Abortion, Same Sex marriage etc.

Also in case you haven't noticed FFG's support between the two of them has steadily contracted over the last few decades to the point where they couldn't even form a government between them without enlisting support from other parties. They use to have about 80 percent of the vote share. Things have changed a lot from the days that conservatives like you were more prevalent. You're assertion that SF will be kept out of government in the Republic "for good" will definitely not hold.

On the day of the results of this election coming out Micheal Martin came on TV and more or less said he was open to a deal with SF, that was before the results were finalised and SF finished up one seat behind FF with a larger overall vote share.

It's only a matter of time before SF are in government in The Republic. Crazy stuff given the changes in voting patterns in recent times that you think otherwise.

markodaly wrote: »

This article is doing the rounds. Worth a read.

https://progressivebrief.com/sinn-feins-frustrating-insistence-on-claiming/?fbclid=IwAR0knYG5WxyhQxxtozeiwAIP-0MfJ9sNrIKuSWgU8g7vR1KVQMTfGj1ssZc

It is a good disection on modern SF and the fact even though they try and wear their progressive clothes for clever electioneering, they are anything but.

I got to the bit where the author, trying so hard to be 'neutral' and fair, had to breathlessly recount the record of what somebody did in a conflict situation to give a 'sinister' edge to his thesis. :P

I liked this put down.

Its long, but it’s certainly not important.

Frankly its incoherent & poorly constructed drivel which struggles to conceal your political prejudices.

You'd have to wonder was the murder and killings worth it if SF can't even have a say in payments for the people of the North.

What is the actual purpose of them been in power up there?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hmm....where have i said they arent posh??


...just its what FG nickname is on every msgboard at the min (poshboys),your nearly as rattled as varadkar there :pac:

Yeah real rattled here.

What on earth will I do?

McMurphy wrote: »

I couldn't give a shiny shyte if Eamon Ceannts daddy was a purple flying spaghetti monster, you rowed in with your full support for an official state Black and Tans commemoration, and yet cry foul about the Ra.

Talking out of both sides of your mouth.

You cannot seem to read I am for inclusiveness involving all of history not just a narrow republican viewpoint of it. For years at school I was given the impression that Solohedbeg 1919 was this heroic start of the WOI.

It was far far from it - 2 RIC men Irish born and bred v 10 IRA men. Hardly a fair fight was it?

One of the RIC fluent Irish speaker with a large family - James McDonnell he was a widower. All those kids left orphaned. Where are the songs about him?

Remember when Charlie and leo tried that reverse psychology about people who didn't support it and not supporting peace? Remind me how that went down with their subjects lol? Might even say it cost them an election.

I doubt that was the sole reason. Sometimes an electorate want change for change sake.
But the vote was split all over the place
The SD vote killed labour split the vote, FF and FG split thier vote.
'The madsers' and/or the naive / 'head the balls' voted for PBP/SF and the like.
Plus in case you have not noticed SF only got 25% of the vote that means 75% of the electorate did not vote for them. And 56% of the electorate voted for parties that did not want SF in government.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I was just about to say this. The irony is the SF hardcore were against these 'types'.
But they now realise it is part of the slow 'gentrification of SF' make it easier to sell to middle ground, and go for the female vote. No smoking guns try and leave them in the background

O'Broin and MLMD don't give the impression that those less fortunate than them are beneath them. That is why Leo and Eoghan get the 'posh boys' nicknames.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

O'Broin and MLMD don't give the impression that those less fortunate than them are beneath them. That is why Leo and Eoghan get the 'posh boys' nicknames.

Ah Francie has spoke as to why they get the posh boys title.

Case closed, Francie knows all the ins and outs of why people are called things and why SF supporters call them that.

We can't question his knowledge, ever.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

O'Broin and MLMD don't give the impression that those less fortunate than them are beneath them. That is why Leo and Eoghan get the 'posh boys' nicknames.

Ok so Leo chose the medical profession because he does not care about those who are beneath him? :rolleyes:

MLMD - is a political opportunistic who jumped ship from FF to further her career.

O'Brion - you will have to fill me in on his background and how he got 'turned'.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Rubbish. I have already mentioned the Social Welfare powers SF gave away to WM twice now.
Plus SF brought down stormont over the pretense of an Irish act.
Also SF could have entered WM to stop Brexit but chose not to - mandate etc.
A special Ad Fheis could have sorted it out.

So many lies in so little words. SF could not have stopped Brexit whther they took the seats in Westminster or not, don't be ridiculous. What Social Welfare powers did SF give away to Westminster, what are you talking about?

Stormont fell into disrepute over the scandals involving the DUP. It's back up and running again but you'll find ways to attack SF for when it's up and running or when it isn't, nothing new there.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Is there a housing crisis in NI tell me? Who has the most homeless? Plus are those unfortunates living in hotels in the ROI liable to be attacked and murdered by republicans - in a row or are they safe?

Homeless people in Northern Ireland are being attacked by Republicans? What are you blathering about now?

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Of course they are which is why SF target the Celtic top wearing working class the younger the better. Plenty of times SF voters claimed the IRA stuff dodgy Republicanism is all ancient history. You only have to go back slighly more than a decade. Then the real irony is SF are the first in the queue for any Republican commemoration from any era! A very selective memory is had it seems!

So the younger voters who voted SF are all Celtic top wearing kids from council estates now are they?

Should they not commemorate Republicanism from the past? Or is it only SF that shouldn't do it?

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is a certain type of voter under educated, probably malnourished, more than likely from a single parent family. Also with a few generations of unemployment and likely criminality in the family. Plus they are likely not to like black people or the immigrants taking thier jobs.
That is the only type of area Mark Ward or AOS would have being elected in.

"Malnourished, under educated, likely to be from single parent families", this is what makes up the 25% vote share that SF got in the last election according to this character.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

OK scandals - thier are financial scandals many political parties have them in the world. Or martial scandals. I would not vote for those individuals involved in financial scandals by the way (Maria Bailey not in my constituency).
SF members are on a different level - bank robbery, murder, spying on ministers in the dail, cover up of murder. Has anyone associated with Leo Varadkar being found with a stun gun for example?

"Bank robbers, murderers etc.", this is 2020, the GFA has been in existence for over 20 years. Are you going to keep talking about things that happened decades ago? Seems like you are and maybe it resonates with some older people who vote FG or FF and would never vote SF anyway.

It doesn't appear to resonate with younger voters and in your frustration you label them "malnourished, under educated etc etc." Make sure you keep telling them exactly what you really thing of them....go ahead....you tell 'em.....

Your anger is getting the better of you and you're showing your true colours now alright. How dare these young voters and other voters disagree with the FFG groupthink and make their minds up on who they want to vote for themselves.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Ok so Leo chose the medical profession because he does not care about those who are beneath him? :rolleyes:

Why would choosing a career as a Doctor (and then giving it up BTW) exclude you from being a snob and superior?

MLMD - is a political opportunistic who jumped ship from FF to further her career.

I find this hilarious...we want you to change your views...but only in the direction I want you to.

And just because you are from a wealthy background doesn't mean you have to be 'turned' or vice versa.

What kind of nonsense is that?

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I was just about to say this. The irony is the SF hardcore were against these 'types'.
But they now realise it is part of the slow 'gentrification of SF' make it easier to sell to middle ground, and go for the female vote. No smoking guns try and leave them in the background

Yes and you'd prefer them to not appeal to female voters or middle ground voters, of course you would.

TheCitizen wrote: »

Yes and you'd prefer them to not appeal to female voters or middle ground voters, of course you would.

No more than the article MarkODaly posted...'first you have to portray anything and everything they do as 'sinister'.

It never gets old to see people spin themselves in contradictions trying to do this.