Bowie wrote: » On the one hand you are claiming SF, (who got more seats than FG by the way) are too toxic for other parties to sign up with and on the other saying people can't use that as a reason SF can't form a government. Do you see the nonsense that is?
[Deleted User] wrote: » And the fact charlie flanagan labeled anyone raising queries surronding commerating black and tans/auxies as sinister elements (FG talk for terrorist) Kinda just highlights how out of touch they are with the country....tell him head on down to kilmicheal this november and demand they commerated those they made clean sweep of
BloodyBill wrote: » There ll be many people at Kilmichael who would support a commemoration for the RIC..
BloodyBill wrote: » Seriously it comes as a shock to you that centre right Southern voters have more in common with ordinary Unionists than with left wing Socialist Republicans. Did you honestly think that? Often travelled up to Northern Ireland to the Balmoral show as a kid showing cattle and the like and made great relationships. Do you think Irish rural dwellers or indeed middle class Dubs or Corkonians ect. have anything in common with council house Republicans from Weat Belfast or Derry.
BloodyBill wrote: » The DUP have a few extremists. We all know that. I wouldn't paint them all with the one brush. Same as I wouldnt paint individual Sinn Feiners . The left wing outlook ,policies and republican past of Sinn Fein as a party will be what keeps it out of government in the South for good. Ireland is a conservative place ,always has been.
TheCitizen wrote: » He didn't make any valid points. He just snarled and bitched in a juvenile and silly fashion attacking Sinn Fein for things that other parties did and blaming them for things out of context and which they don't have full control of.
Ah so younger voters are naive now are they? They're naive because they see FF and FG running the country for nearly 100 years often in times of prosperity but still don't have the political will to reform the Irish health service after leading governments between them countless times? They're naive when they see the country in a prosperous position and yet through sheer negligence and laziness a housing crisis leads to families living in hotel rooms?
I'm not sure the younger voters are as naive as you like to think they are, but sure go ahead you tell them they are naive, you tell them that because they don't agree with you and vote FF and FG that they haven't a clue what they're doing......go ahead..... you tell 'em........
Plenty of politicians have been involved in scandals one one sort or another and it doesn't stop them getting elected. Your use of the words "certain type of voter" from Clondalkin says a lot about the type of arrogance and ignorance that you represent.
markodaly wrote: » This article is doing the rounds. Worth a read.https://progressivebrief.com/sinn-feins-frustrating-insistence-on-claiming/?fbclid=IwAR0knYG5WxyhQxxtozeiwAIP-0MfJ9sNrIKuSWgU8g7vR1KVQMTfGj1ssZc It is a good disection on modern SF and the fact even though they try and wear their progressive clothes for clever electioneering, they are anything but.
Its long, but it’s certainly not important. Frankly its incoherent & poorly constructed drivel which struggles to conceal your political prejudices.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Tbf they have the posh-boys rattled,going by varadkars performances yesterday Attack being best form of defence,you love to see it really
Deleted User wrote: » Personally felt it just highlighted FG cynicism and lack of conviction in their beliefs They had no issue forcing through commerating soldiers/DMP members killed in 1916....but ran away from commerating ric members as it hurted them politically If.this wasnt an election year,they'd have rammed this through
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Posh boys? Like Eoin O Broin and his blackrock college education? Or Mary Lou from one of the poshest areas in Dublin and her private education? More hypocrisy from SF supporters.
Shefwedfan wrote: » It is a simple question, post after post here is saying they have zero power in the North. Now you are saying they do have power but not to the powers the Dail has. Which is the correct answer. SO the question is, what have they done with those powers?
[Deleted User] wrote: » Hmm....where have i said they arent posh?? ...just its what FG nickname is on every msgboard at the min (poshboys),your nearly as rattled as varadkar there :pac:
[Deleted User] wrote: » Just way your coming across kid.....chill out Its only bit of craic
McMurphy wrote: » I couldn't give a shiny shyte if Eamon Ceannts daddy was a purple flying spaghetti monster, you rowed in with your full support for an official state Black and Tans commemoration, and yet cry foul about the Ra. Talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Remember when Charlie and leo tried that reverse psychology about people who didn't support it and not supporting peace? Remind me how that went down with their subjects lol? Might even say it cost them an election.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I was just about to say this. The irony is the SF hardcore were against these 'types'. But they now realise it is part of the slow 'gentrification of SF' make it easier to sell to middle ground, and go for the female vote. No smoking guns try and leave them in the background
Deleted User wrote: » Thats the nature of any war and ambushes....today is anniversary of loughall massacre Like you dont see anyone crying,that wasnt a fair fight?
FrancieBrady wrote: » O'Broin and MLMD don't give the impression that those less fortunate than them are beneath them. That is why Leo and Eoghan get the 'posh boys' nicknames.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » My point is I was lied to in the history books I read at school, where it was all one sided republicanism. In fact it was a local in Solohedbeg who also also said it was not a fair fight.https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hVBZKNBbgigJ:https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/soloheadbeg-wicked-beginning-of-the-war-of-independence-1.3742421+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie But let's not píss on a Republican myth that's the unwritten rule isn't it?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Rubbish. I have already mentioned the Social Welfare powers SF gave away to WM twice now. Plus SF brought down stormont over the pretense of an Irish act. Also SF could have entered WM to stop Brexit but chose not to - mandate etc. A special Ad Fheis could have sorted it out.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Is there a housing crisis in NI tell me? Who has the most homeless? Plus are those unfortunates living in hotels in the ROI liable to be attacked and murdered by republicans - in a row or are they safe?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Of course they are which is why SF target the Celtic top wearing working class the younger the better. Plenty of times SF voters claimed the IRA stuff dodgy Republicanism is all ancient history. You only have to go back slighly more than a decade. Then the real irony is SF are the first in the queue for any Republican commemoration from any era! A very selective memory is had it seems!
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It is a certain type of voter under educated, probably malnourished, more than likely from a single parent family. Also with a few generations of unemployment and likely criminality in the family. Plus they are likely not to like black people or the immigrants taking thier jobs. That is the only type of area Mark Ward or AOS would have being elected in.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » OK scandals - thier are financial scandals many political parties have them in the world. Or martial scandals. I would not vote for those individuals involved in financial scandals by the way (Maria Bailey not in my constituency). SF members are on a different level - bank robbery, murder, spying on ministers in the dail, cover up of murder. Has anyone associated with Leo Varadkar being found with a stun gun for example?
Bowie wrote: » Sounds great. We need SF to become more mainstream and popular. It will open the door for the SD's and others and make voting for the lesser worse crooked civil war party a thing of the past.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Ok so Leo chose the medical profession because he does not care about those who are beneath him? :rolleyes:
MLMD - is a political opportunistic who jumped ship from FF to further her career.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Ok so Leo chose the medical profession because he does not care about those who are beneath him? :rolleyes: MLMD - is a political opportunistic who jumped ship from FF to further her career. O'Brion - you will have to fill me in on his background and how he got 'turned'.
Bowie wrote: » So is Leo still a working doctor? Was he not a paid Councillor prior to serving his time to be qualified? Has he ever worked as a qualified doctor? FYI: you could have claimed he joined politics because he cared for people...but you missed that and well, Fine Gael... MLMD left one the then largest parties in the country to join a then 5% or so polling party for political opportunism? It was FG 'turned' many of the electorate
TheCitizen wrote: » Yes and you'd prefer them to not appeal to female voters or middle ground voters, of course you would.
Shefwedfan wrote: » If Mary Lou was offered the top job at Labour she would be at Labour now She jumped from FF because she felt she wouldnt get to top quick enough, looked around and seen which party was the easiest to get to the top. Slim picking in SF to replace Gerry....
TheCitizen wrote: » Lots of politicians switch parties. Michael D Higgins was originally in Fianna Fail. SF are and have been departing from what they used to be when connected to the PIRA. You still pretend they aren't when it suits you and then have a go at Mary Lou McDonald for originally being in another political party. You still never told us who you vote for yourself?
