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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #1112
    Plumbthedepths
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    Miike wrote: »
    What are you smoking and where can I get some?

    Lidl.


  • #1113
    wakka12
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    0.1% of the population of the state of New Jersey will have died of covid by tomorrow evening. State of Connecticut also approaching similar rate of mortality


  • #1114
    Beasty
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    Beasty wrote: »
    Don't need to delete it. You clearly understand that conspiracy theories do not belong here, and as you have blatantly ignored the warnings you are now banned from posting in this thread
    Following discussion with the user this threadban is now lifted


  • #1115
    BattleCorp
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Noticed an interesting one in Lidl the other day. A man got his trolley, then got his gloves out and put them on, started moving the trolley before using his gloved hands that had just being touching the trolley to get his mask out of his pocket and put it on. Would have been as well off just licking the trolley

    I'd say well over 95% of people haven't a clue how to correctly wear and dispose of masks and gloves.

    Taking off gloves without contaminating yourself is a skill in itself.


  • #1116
    [Deleted User]
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    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Tip - go as early as is personally possible, went to the local Dunnes at 10 this morning, and there wasn't even a queue outside.

    No drink on sale till 10:30 though


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  • #1117
    Plumbthedepths
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I'd say well over 95% of people haven't a clue how to correctly wear and dispose of masks and gloves.

    Taking off gloves without contaminating yourself is a skill in itself.

    I'm in favour of masks , but anyone entering a shop with gloves should either be forced to sanitise them or remove them.


  • #1118
    fr336
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    Acosta wrote: »
    I was the same last week in Aldi. It's all social distancing outside waiting to go in, but once you're inside it's out the window with people falling allover each other. Still leaving too many people in IMO. I'd rather stay away from supermarkets until masks are(hopefully made) mandatory, but continually going to the local shop ain't cheap.

    I don't know about your local shops but mine are tiny - I'd rather be in a big supermarket with social distancing than cramped into a corner shop. One day I was in the queue was all the way to the door so you couldn't get down two whole aisles. Pointless for me.


  • #1119
    Plumbthedepths
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    0.1% of the population of the state of New Jersey will have died of covid by tomorrow evening. State of Connecticut also approaching similar rate of mortality

    Fatality rate of 100 per million based on the %? Or is it higher?


  • #1120
    smelly sock
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I wish I had your optimism. We'll end up with a lockdown mark 2 some time in July/August I reckon.

    Not optimistic. Just realistic.

    The dooms dayers hate that though.


  • #1121
    fr336
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    The problem with social distancing is how to police it. I'm afraid a good 60% of people are total idiots - regardless of education, wealth, gender, race, etc etc. A lockdown can be policed very well and just doing it means people get the damn message. First 4-5 weeks here in UK and when shopping overwhelming majority of people were complying with social distancing but that has gone down to about 30% in my experience - a disaster and it will only get worse as people look at anything the government says as an indication they can get back to normal conveniences and take a chance with their lives.


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  • #1122
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Fatality rate of 100 per million based on the %? Or is it higher?

    0.1% is 1000 per million


  • #1123
    Plumbthedepths
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Fatality rate of 100 per million based on the %? Or is it higher?

    Edit
    I based my figure on Hudson county. State figure is over 7500.


  • #1124
    martingriff
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    smelly sock wrote: »
    We are out of the woods mate. Look at the r0. People wont live with these restrictions much longer. No need for further lockdowns.

    but smelly socks (you really need to change them there stinking up the place*)
    its not just about the R been close to 0 there are other things also, amount been tested, how quick you can get results back and contacting who you were around. Those 3 have to be in place also. Otherwise you will get the case that someone who was in contact with the person could infect other people. So its not as easy as saying look R is close to 0 (it is not 0)

    Also people will have to realise that when restrictions will be eased and I think some with be eased quicker then what they say now numbers are likely to go up a bit that is the way it will be but the plan is to contain it as if they shoot up and we have to reverse some it will be very much harder then this time. This is where ads and conversations need to be turning to showing people how to act once they are out and not to just to let loose

    *sorry I had to


  • #1125
    is_that_so
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I wish I had your optimism. We'll end up with a lockdown mark 2 some time in July/August I reckon.
    ICU and hospital admissions are the big one to look at IMO as new cases will vary. ICU is down by about 20 on the weekend and admissions have halved from 40 a day to about 20 a day.


  • #1126
    fullstop
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    smelly sock wrote: »
    We are out of the woods mate. Look at the r0. People wont live with these restrictions much longer. No need for further lockdowns.

    The expert has spoken. LOL.


  • #1127
    Plumbthedepths
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    0.1% is 1000 per million

    You're right left out a O.


  • #1128
    martingriff
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I'm in favour of masks , but anyone entering a shop with gloves should either be forced to sanitise them or remove them.

    I was leaving a Lidl yesterday and as I was getting into my car I saw a couple coming my way. The lady was putting on a pair of gloves which were not 1 use they looked like leather and the guy had a mask which he was carrying in his hands and touched the inside of the mask I was like what the hell. But I agree with masks as long as used properly and know you are not 100% safe


  • #1129
    is_that_so
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    martingriff wrote: »
    but smelly socks (you really need to change them there stinking up the place*)
    its not just about the R been close to 0 there are other things also, amount been tested, how quick you can get results back and contacting who you were around. Those 3 have to be in place also. Otherwise you will get the case that someone who was in contact with the person could infect other people. So its not as easy as saying look R is close to 0 (it is not 0)

    Also people will have to realise that when restrictions will be eased and I think some with be eased quicker then what they say now numbers are likely to go up a bit that is the way it will be but the plan is to contain it as if they shoot up and we have to reverse some it will be very much harder then this time. This is where ads and conversations need to be turning to showing people how to act once they are out and not to just to let loose

    *sorry I had to
    I can't see any guidance being changed until we do actually ease, so as not to give people false hope. That's Simon is for anyway, if he's still in place on May 18!


  • #1130
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    fullstop wrote: »
    The expert has spoken. LOL.

    Did you not know the r0 went from 4 to 0.5 all on its own


  • #1131
    Plumbthedepths
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    martingriff wrote: »
    I was leaving a Lidl yesterday and as I was getting into my car I saw a couple coming my way. The lady was putting on a pair of gloves which were not 1 use they looked like leather and the guy had a mask which he was carrying in his hands and touched the inside of the mask I was like what the hell. But I agree with masks as long as used properly and know you are not 100% safe

    Isn't that the problem, the false sense of security? Which makes me understand why the government maybe reluctant to make them mandatory.


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  • #1132
    Miike
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Did you not know the r0 went from 4 to 0.5 all on its own

    People love throwing around the R0 with not an iota of what influences it or even really understand what it means.


  • #1133
    martingriff
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    I can't see any guidance being changed until we do actually ease, so as not to give people false hope. That's Simon is for anyway, if he's still in place on May 18!

    I say there will be but close to the 18th as unfortunately here in Ireland with some if you give an inch they take a mile


  • #1134
    martingriff
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Isn't that the problem, the false sense of security? Which makes me understand why the government maybe reluctant to make them mandatory.

    Next Friday on the Late Late how to put on a mask!!!

    I have a sister in law who works in the hospital here in Limerick and she was telling me of the test the workers go through who wear the masks do. These are the fitting ones. They are shown how to put them on then they do it themselves and then they get a spray to squirt some water on there face to see if it is on correct.

    A brother of mine worked in a company with the N95 (hope that is what they are called) and there test was they have to go under a hood where some foul gas is sprayed and they have to carry on a conversation for a length of time before they are signed off on


  • #1135
    Gynoid
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    martingriff wrote: »
    I was leaving a Lidl yesterday and as I was getting into my car I saw a couple coming my way. The lady was putting on a pair of gloves which were not 1 use they looked like leather and the guy had a mask which he was carrying in his hands and touched the inside of the mask I was like what the hell. But I agree with masks as long as used properly and know you are not 100% safe


    Even if the other person puts on a germy mask, if they have covid and cough or sneeze the droplets are not dispersed as widely or forcefully. It is not ideal but if someone has asymptomatic viral infection it is better for others that their mouths and noses are covered.

    That is the merit of masks. My wearing a mask has a small but not negligible amount of incoming protection for me. A person with virus wearing a mask in my space means I have a larger level of protection from them infecting me. And if both of us wear masks then the protection from them infecting me is highest.

    And vice versa of course.


  • #1136
    gabeeg
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    Miike wrote: »
    People love throwing around the R0 with not an iota of what influences it or even really understand what it means.

    100% agree. People are idiots.

    Now that the average person is only infecting 0.5 people, if you get the virus in the lower part of your body it should completely miss your lungs


  • #1137
    martingriff
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    Gynoid wrote: »
    Even if the other person puts on a germy mask, if they have covid and cough or sneeze the droplets are not dispersed as widely or forcefully. It is not ideal but if someone has asymptomatic viral infection it is better for others that their mouths and noses are covered.

    That is the merit of masks. My wearing a mask has a small but not negligible amount of incoming protection for me. A person with virus wearing a mask in my space means I have a larger level of protection from them infecting me. And if both of us wear masks then the protection from them infecting me is highest.

    And vice versa of course.

    As long as the mask is tight fitting yes I agree you are protected from mouth or nose not the eyes. Also the thing about touching the inside of the mask is if you are not sick but you touch a surface that could have you may infect yourself.

    I am not against masks but you are not 100% safe when wearing a mask from what I say above to touching your face when taking off the mask. I would also say some people who do not wear a mask might be safer as they could be more alert to the dangers


  • #1138
    ChelseaRentBoy
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Isn't that the problem, the false sense of security? Which makes me understand why the government maybe reluctant to make them mandatory.

    Masks stop you touching your face. That's their main value.


  • #1139
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    gabeeg wrote: »
    100% agree. People are idiots.

    Now that the average person is only infecting 0.5 people, if you get the virus in the lower part of your body it should completely miss your lungs

    Or if it only gets your left lung you’ll be grand. Only need one anyway


  • #1140
    martingriff
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    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Masks stop you touching your face. That's their main value.

    Remember to wash your hands before taking it off and/or avoid touching your face when you do


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  • #1141
    Plumbthedepths
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    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    Masks stop you touching your face. That's their main value.

    They don't. The benefit of the mask is to protect others from the wearer . I really don't understand how people don't get this.


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