Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

ACitizenErased · 07-05-2020 04:23PM

JoChervil wrote: »

He did answer. He said words but with no meaning...

How many times does it have to be said that Tony Holohan is the Chief Medical Officer of the Department of Health and DOES NOT work for the HSE. He DOES NOT deal with hospitals. Is that hard to understand? Why the f*ck was she asking him questions about a HSE matter?

JoChervil · 07-05-2020 04:25PM

Eod100 wrote: »

You'd have to listen back to double check yourself but afaik his reply was along the lines of its policy not to. And to be fair he speaks as CMO rather than spokesperson for HSE. I would think if it merits investigation it will be. The way she did it did a complete disservice to the family of the girl who died. She was looking for a gotcha moment and playing politics with a tragic death.

You might be right about her motives.

But I was talking about his refusal to take on board her concerns, which in my opinion caused the whole mess. If he accepted them and put it for further investigation, if they were true, it would be no problem then.

eagle eye · 07-05-2020 04:27PM

AllGunsBlazing wrote:

If masks were the be all end all why haven't supermarket workers been ravaged by this? Regular hand washing and covering your mouth when you cough or sneeze are excellent defences outside of a hospital setting.
In other words, common sense and basic hygiene.

Facemasks are about the wearer not spreading the virus. You could be asymptomatic and walking around with the virus, if you wear a mask it's less likely that you spread it.

MD1990 · 07-05-2020 04:28PM

Some athletes who were at the Military World Games in Wuhan back in October 2019 claim ‘everyone was sick’ with symptoms reminiscent of COVID-19, two months before the first confirmed case.

The novel coronavirus was first reported in December 2019 in the Chinese city of Wuhan, with an investigation from early January.

It then spread to Europe with the first confirmed cases in Italy on February 20.

However, there are some suggestions from athletes who took part in the Military World Games that the virus was present as early as October 2019.

That tournament took place in Wuhan from October 17-27, 2019.

“We all got sick, six out of six in our apartment, and we also heard from many other delegations who got ill too,” Olympic gold medallist fencer Matteo Tagliariol told La Repubblica.

“The medics there had almost run out of supplies, Valerio Aspromonte stayed in bed almost the whole time. I had a fever and cough for three weeks and antibiotics did nothing. Then it spread to my son and my girlfriend.

“I am not a doctor, but the symptoms looked like those of COVID-19. I was struggling to breathe and fortunately it went after three weeks.”

Similarly, French pentathlete Elodie Clouvel also told Loire7 that she’d had a similar experience.

“I think Valentin Belaud and I had coronavirus, because we were in Wuhan for the Military Games. We got sick, he missed three days of training and I experienced something I’d never felt before.

“When we talked to a military medic recently, he told us: ‘I think you already had it, because most of the delegation who went to Wuhan got sick.’”

However, the Ministry for Defence in Paris denied any cases of COVID-19 at the event.

Aspromonte, who was named by Tagliariol as being ‘in bed the whole time’, insisted he was merely “tired and suffering from jet-lag.”

https://www.football-italia.net/152958/athletes-sick-wuhan-back-october

interestibg story

Higgins5473 · 07-05-2020 04:29PM

fritzelly wrote: »

One poster already banned for posting crap like that

When you say "crap like that"...I'm assuming, its not actually the link I posted. I am also assuming that since you replied a minute after I posted the link you have not watched all 26 minutes of it?

It is terrifying how manipulated posters like you are that prepared to instantly dismiss what the narrative is telling you to do.

This is coming from someone who's wife is a nurse, with a family who has been following every guideline and has not seen my mother in 2 months as she is cocooning.

This entire situation is at its earliest stages of best guessing even by the experts. We receive conflicting information everyday from every authority on the planet. Listening to other opinions is sometimes worthwhile.

JoChervil · 07-05-2020 04:30PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

How many times does it have to be said that Tony Holohan is the Chief Medical Officer of the Department of Health and DOES NOT work for the HSE. He DOES NOT deal with hospitals. Is that hard to understand? Why the f*ck was she asking him questions about a HSE matter?

From Wikipedia:
The role of the department and departmental team is to support the minister and the democratic process by:

Formulating policy underpinned by an evidence-based approach and providing direction on national health priorities ensuring that quality and value for money are enhanced through the implementation of an evidence-based approach underpinned by monitoring and evaluation.
Protecting the interests of patients and consumers and supporting practitioners and professionals to practice to the highest standards by providing a prudent and appropriate regulatory framework.
Providing effective stewardship over health resources by demanding accountability for achieving outcomes including financial, managerial and clinical accountability, and by providing the frameworks, including enhanced service planning at national level to improve the overall governance of the health system.
Fulfilling the state's obligations in relation to the EU, WHO, Council of Europe and other international bodies and the continued implementation of the co-operation agenda decided by the North-South Ministerial Council.

Higgins5473 · 07-05-2020 04:31PM

Fiery mutant wrote: »

There’s a difference between free speech and dangerous bull****.

Out of curiosity, seeing as you have watched it. Can you cite the dangerous bullsh*t.? Any of it...all I saw was medical experts giving opinion, no bleach injection.

JoChervil · 07-05-2020 04:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

How many times does it have to be said that Tony Holohan is the Chief Medical Officer of the Department of Health and DOES NOT work for the HSE. He DOES NOT deal with hospitals. Is that hard to understand? Why the f*ck was she asking him questions about a HSE matter?

So are you saying hospitals don't have any supervision here?

Eod100 · 07-05-2020 04:33PM

JoChervil wrote: »

You might be right about her motives.

But I was talking about his refusal to take on board her concerns, which in my opinion caused the whole mess. If he accepted them and put it for further investigation, if they were true, it would be no problem then.

Again it's not up to him. If HSE have a case to answer, onus is on them to investigate internally or could be referred to HIQA.

Drumpot · 07-05-2020 04:35PM

Fiery mutant wrote: »

There’s a difference between free speech and dangerous bull****.

People are allowed to be assholes, ignorant and self absorbed ( I want to do what I want to do) and likewise people are allowed to filter this bullsh*t and call them up on it. When people shout “free speech” it’s usually nothing to do with debate , more “I have something to say and you need to shut up and listen”.

Glad I’ve stayed away generally from a lot of the threads with people bitching about not getting to do whatever they want to do, it’s disgusting. So many selfish uneducated people in these forums, it’s now wonder the world goes through such peaks and troughs of insane human self destruction.

Arghus · 07-05-2020 04:35PM

JoChervil wrote: »

I watched only from 41 minute for 10 minutes, then I lost patience with him...

But others also think he didn't answer:

So, you gave up before he repeatedly tried to answer her question, despite her best efforts, because you lost patience with him?

So you didn't actually watch what you are commentating on?

Ah, heyor.

fritzelly · 07-05-2020 04:36PM

Higgins5473 wrote: »

When you say "crap like that"...I'm assuming, its not actually the link I posted. I am also assuming that since you replied a minute after I posted the link you have not watched all 26 minutes of it?

That exact same video - the woman is disturbed

Away With The Fairies · 07-05-2020 04:37PM

Higgins5473 wrote: »

Posting this without any opinion on it other than it was interesting, well made, and removed from YouTube.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Cxk4baYujWJs/

She said there's no vaccine ever for RNA viruses... Isn't measles, mumps and rubella all RNA viruses?

stephenjmcd · 07-05-2020 04:39PM

Harris in the Dáil stating modeling shows R value between 0.3-0.8 with consensus that its stable at 0.5

MipMap · 07-05-2020 04:39PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

How many times does it have to be said that Tony Holohan is the Chief Medical Officer of the Department of Health and DOES NOT work for the HSE. He DOES NOT deal with hospitals. Is that hard to understand? Why the f*ck was she asking him questions about a HSE matter?

For days and days on end ever since he went into hospital himself about two weeks ago he has been stressing to everyone in Ireland thatr we should not avoid going to hospital if we have a non Covid 19 need and that we can be assured that the professional staff there will ensure our safety at all times and there is no risk to us that we wiill get infected by Covid 19 in that setting.
He is speaking for the hospital system here. In a society where 25% of those getting infected by Covid 19 are healthcare workers and in a world where everyone knows that infections transmitted within hospitals is, and has been for some time, a concern for all of us.

igCorcaigh · 07-05-2020 04:41PM

Italy have started serology testing.

Do we have the results of any population serology tests yet? Would be interesting to find out the real attack rate of the virus.

JoChervil · 07-05-2020 04:41PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Again it's not up to him. If HSE have a case to answer, onus is on them to investigate internally or could be referred to HIQA.

You see, this kind of answer would do the trick, while he failed to ensure her, that it will be taken further by proper institutions

What Username Guidelines · 07-05-2020 04:42PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Harris in the Dáil stating modeling shows R value between 0.3-0.8 with consensus that its stable at 0.5

Good news if Germany have modelled theirs at 0.75 at the moment after loosening some restrictions. Get us to wear masks in shops and public transport and it'll stay below 1.

Eod100 · 07-05-2020 04:42PM

Positive trends here: https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1258421376790286336?s=19

JoChervil · 07-05-2020 04:43PM

Arghus wrote: »

So, you gave up before he repeatedly tried to answer her question, despite her best efforts, because you lost patience with him?

So you didn't actually watch what you are commentating on?

Ah, heyor.

I think watching 10 crucial minutes of him avoiding the question was enough for me. There is certain reasonable time for answers...

redarmy · 07-05-2020 04:46PM

The Department of Health Covid-19 briefing is set for 5.30 pm this evening. Watch it on RTÉ News Now

is_that_so · 07-05-2020 04:49PM

Russians going to be locked up a while longer.

Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said today that lockdown measures in the Russian capital would be extended until 31 May as new coronavirus cases surged.

ACitizenErased · 07-05-2020 04:49PM

JoChervil wrote: »

From Wikipedia:
The role of the department and departmental team is to support the minister and the democratic process by:

Formulating policy underpinned by an evidence-based approach and providing direction on national health priorities ensuring that quality and value for money are enhanced through the implementation of an evidence-based approach underpinned by monitoring and evaluation.
Protecting the interests of patients and consumers and supporting practitioners and professionals to practice to the highest standards by providing a prudent and appropriate regulatory framework.
Providing effective stewardship over health resources by demanding accountability for achieving outcomes including financial, managerial and clinical accountability, and by providing the frameworks, including enhanced service planning at national level to improve the overall governance of the health system.
Fulfilling the state's obligations in relation to the EU, WHO, Council of Europe and other international bodies and the continued implementation of the co-operation agenda decided by the North-South Ministerial Council.

Regulatory framework is policy. He literally answered her question with policy. Why is she not questioning the HSE?

Higgins5473 · 07-05-2020 04:50PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

She said there's no vaccine ever for RNA viruses... Isn't measles, mumps and rubella all RNA viruses?

I could hit google and start spouting a load bollocks like most of this thread.

I posted something which has gained a lot of traction elsewhere by an expert. I have zero opinion on it because just like the majority of people on this thread I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS VIRUS.

I think free speech and all sorts of opinion is our democratic and considering our restrictions one of the few that we are openly allowed at the minute. The aggression with responses by posters here that were not willing to even listen is a very sad reflection of where we are and potentially heading in the coming months.

PS, just to give some reassurance and I don't get my door kicked in by the boards FFG stazi in the middle of the night...f*ck John Waters and Gemma

is_that_so · 07-05-2020 04:51PM

JoChervil wrote: »

I think watching 10 crucial minutes of him avoiding the question was enough for me. There is certain reasonable time for answers...

Do you know what that question was? Why would he have had the answer to it?

boring accountant · 07-05-2020 04:51PM

Proposal now to do the leaving cert based on class rankings. It’s outrageous to allow subjective grading to decide children’s futures like that without any real checks and balances. If you had asked my teachers what my grades would be they would have underestimated by about 200 points and I wouldn’t blame them because I worked away quietly myself.

is_that_so · 07-05-2020 04:52PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Regulatory framework is policy. He literally answered her question with policy. Why is she not questioning the HSE?

Because it doesn't get her airtime.

Arghus · 07-05-2020 04:54PM

JoChervil wrote: »

I think watching 10 crucial minutes of him avoiding the question was enough for me. There is certain reasonable time for answers...

He was trying to answer the question. He did answer the question, as best he could - without knowing all the facts and circumstances of the case.

You said you stopped watching at minute 41, because you were tired of him avoiding the question for 10 minutes? She only started talking at minute 41 - so that doesn't add up.

She wouldn't let him talk and kept interrupting him and getting increasingly irate - and got worse as she went on. He eventually couldn't even attempt an answer - eventually she wouldn't even let him get a sentence out of his mouth without interrupting him. And it's right there, you can go see it yourself. What happened was so clear, there's no room for genuine argument.

Higgins5473 · 07-05-2020 04:58PM

boring accountant wrote: »

Proposal now to do the leaving cert based on class rankings. It’s outrageous to allow subjective grading to decide children’s futures like that without any real checks and balances. If you had asked my teachers what my grades would be they would have underestimated by about 200 points and I wouldn’t blame them because I worked away quietly myself.

I got 510 in 1996. Didn't sit my mocks, and didn't go in for most of 6th year because the CB's that were still there were still enjoying the last few months of corporal punishment. Reckon I would've got 150-200 points if they were given the decision.

El Weirdo · 07-05-2020 04:59PM

Higgins5473 wrote: »

... free speech...

Higgins5473 wrote: »

... both sides of every story...

Higgins5473 wrote: »

... open your mind...

Higgins5473 wrote: »

... Listening to other opinions...

All we need is "Just asking questions" and we'll have bingo.

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