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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #722
    Wibbs
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Leo on face coverings only last week
    "it is not something we’d ever make compulsory, but it’s something that we may make advisory.”
    Good oul Irish government(and all the main parties have been guilty of this down the years), respond with the "be grand" and "you can't hang us down the line if we sit on the fence". Just like border control, quarantine, essential travel, contact tracing, it's all sorta there, but really not very enforced.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #723
    Plumbthedepths
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I find it funny how wearing seat belts is mandatory in cars but for the health of people and slowing infection, they won't make mask/face coverings mandatory.

    It's really easy to use a seatbelt as it's designed to be worn. I've seen many idiots unable to wear a simple piece of material .


  • #724
    AllGunsBlazing
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Leo on face coverings only last week
    "it is not something we’d ever make compulsory, but it’s something that we may make advisory.”
    If masks were the be all end all why haven't supermarket workers been ravaged by this? Regular hand washing and covering your mouth when you cough or sneeze are excellent defences outside of a hospital setting.

    In other words, common sense and basic hygiene.


  • #725
    Funsterdelux
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    beggars_bush wrote: »
    I'm coming to the opinion that the government need to make masks mandatory once in a shop or on public transport

    People won't bother otherwise

    I agree with you there, I was talking to a family member and they said they wouldnt bother with masks unless it was made mandatory.


  • #726
    Funsterdelux
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It's really easy to use a seatbelt as it's designed to be worn. I've seen many idiots unable to wear a simple piece of material .

    Ive seen plenty of people, esp younger/kids wearing seat belts the wrong way. Kids loose in the back etc.


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  • #727
    Plumbthedepths
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    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Ive seen plenty of people, esp younger/kids wearing seat belts the wrong way. Kids loose in the back etc.

    That's why an adult is recommended to secure a child in a car.


  • #728
    FishOnABike
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    Jin luk wrote: »
    Anyone see that video that keeps getting deleted from social media and youtube why are they doing this just makes it seem so fishy that they would keep deleting it ive seen someone post the same video 4 different times today and it keeps getting deleted makes it so supicious to keep deleting it its an interview with a PhD doctor whos name has been blackened by big pharma? It just proves were filtered to what they want us to see and hear find it so weird that they go to the effort of taking it down constantly.

    This one?
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DgLt1dn3cYg


  • #729
    DevilsHaircut
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    https://twitter.com/ConalThomas/status/1258347337333846016


  • #730
    Boggles
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It's really easy to use a seatbelt as it's designed to be worn. I've seen many idiots unable to wear a simple piece of material .

    I've seen clowns wear seat belts incorrectly.

    The solution is not to ban seat belts.

    It's to educate.

    Again it's a mask, education is minimal.

    It's not like we are asking people to perform self dentistry.


  • #731
    Away With The Fairies
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It's really easy to use a seatbelt as it's designed to be worn. I've seen many idiots unable to wear a simple piece of material .

    Alot of people don't have the training to use them properly. They need to start educating people on how to wear them properly.


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  • #732
    Funsterdelux
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    That's why an adult is recommended to secure a child in a car.

    Most of the time the adults are the problem.

    As other posters have said, education, tv ads etc. They showed us how to wash our hands a 3min video will show us how to put on/take off a mask safely.

    There ll always be a few that wont be wearing them correctly.


  • #733
    Away With The Fairies
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    AllGunsBlazing wrote: »
    If masks were the be all end all why haven't supermarket workers been ravaged by this? Regular hand washing and covering your mouth when you cough or sneeze are excellent defences outside of a hospital setting.

    In other words, common sense and basic hygiene.

    They are getting this
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/london-death-shines-light-on-covid-19-threat-to-local-shopworkers


  • #734
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    On a walk yesterday, along with the "throngs", there were about 5-6 out of 50 wearing masks.

    Outside the impact of a mask is minimal. I do laugh everytime I meet a car with the lone driver wearing a mask.
    I do agree though that in environments where maintaining social distancing is difficult, including supermarkets, masks should at a minimum be recommended


  • #735
    Boggles
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    AllGunsBlazing wrote: »
    If masks were the be all end all why haven't supermarket workers been ravaged by this?

    We are not testing supermarket workers. We are not doing widespread testing in community full stop, we are now as of yesterday.

    My local Tesco made the policy to move all the young workers onto the tills, where before the vast majority of them were the older workers

    Again a very good business driven initiative.

    Dunnes have very stringent social distancing policies and clean the trolleys before they are given to people, again that didn't come from out governance.

    Every shop now has some form screens, again no directive on that.

    People and businesses have been ahead of our governance and the HSE at every step of this, it's the main reason our capacity has not been overwhelmed.


  • #736
    Wibbs
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    AllGunsBlazing wrote: »
    If masks were the be all end all why haven't supermarket workers been ravaged by this?
    Well we don't know how many supermarket workers have it, we don't know how many have it asymptomatically. The public has only had a very general map of outbreaks and clusters.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #737
    AllGunsBlazing
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    They are getting this
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/london-death-shines-light-on-covid-19-threat-to-local-shopworkers

    And in this country?

    Btw, how will you occupy yourself when this eventually ends?

    Nuclear war? Asteroid collision? Tsunami?


  • #738
    Boggles
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    AllGunsBlazing wrote: »
    And in this country?

    Btw, how will you occupy yourself when this eventually ends?

    Nuclear war? Asteroid collision? Tsunami?

    Unless he is a tiny mammal, I doubt he will have to worry about that one.


  • #739
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Outside the impact of a mask is minimal. I do laugh everytime I meet a car with the lone driver wearing a mask.
    I do agree though that in environments where maintaining social distancing is difficult, including supermarkets, masks should at a minimum be recommended

    Haha, me too. Like what is going through their head when they put one on in the car? I just don't understand people wearing them outside either. Maybe an outside mask wearer can enlighten us? I think that is probably because of the kind of nonsense spouted by people like Pat Kenny about "plumes" of COVID coming from joggers and cyclists.....he just cant stop going on about it.

    But I have to admit that I am at a bit of a loss as to why face coverings are not being made mandatory on public transport or in supermarkets. We collectively do not have the discipline to socially distance, even if it were possible n some spaces.


  • #740
    Gynoid
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Alot of people don't have the training to use them properly. They need to start educating people on how to wear them properly.

    Maybe I misunderstand but is it not reasonably elementary?

    Wash hands or sanitise them before putting on mask.
    Don't touch mask while it is on.
    Sanitise hands before removing.
    Dispose of mask properly.
    Sanitise hands after that.

    People do a lot of complicated things every day. Opening pushchairs! Attaching images on boards! How ordinary folk casually insert contact lenses baffles me and as for taking them out! But yet they do. Must be all the lovely brainz we have.


  • #741
    Plumbthedepths
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    They are getting this
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/london-death-shines-light-on-covid-19-threat-to-local-shopworkers

    Any cases here in Ireland?


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  • #742
    Away With The Fairies
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    AllGunsBlazing wrote: »
    And in this country?

    Btw, how will you occupy yourself when this eventually ends?

    Nuclear war? Asteroid collision? Tsunami?

    We haven't been testing everyone with symptoms. So it's no surprise we haven't heard about shop workers here.


  • #743
    Plumbthedepths
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    Gynoid wrote: »
    Maybe I misunderstand but is it not reasonably elementary?

    Wash hands or sanitise them before putting on mask.
    Don't touch mask while it is on.
    Sanitise hands before removing.
    Dispose of mask properly.
    Sanitise hands after that.

    People do a lot of complicated things every day. Opening pushchairs! Attaching images on boards! How ordinary folk casually insert contact lenses baffles me and as for taking them out! But yet they do. Must be all the lovely brainz we have.

    Have you seen people wearing them under their nose?
    I have.
    Have you seen people wear them as a hat?
    I have
    Have you seen people wear them under their chin?
    I have.
    If they become mandatory people need to be educated in their use.
    Surely you realise the problem with common sense is that it's not that common.


  • #744
    FishOnABike
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    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    People shouid be refused entry into shops and public transport without masks. We have to get serious now about beating this thing.

    Never thought I might have to wear a mask going into a bank :-)


  • #745
    JoChervil
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Outside the impact of a mask is minimal. I do laugh everytime I meet a car with the lone driver wearing a mask.
    I do agree though that in environments where maintaining social distancing is difficult, including supermarkets, masks should at a minimum be recommended

    When I go for a walk I only use a piece of fabric to cover my nose/mouth, when coming close to someone and there is no space to self distance. In public transport and generally in confined spaces like shops they should be mandatory.

    I find it irritating that Irish government is treating people like idiots. Wearing and disposing gloves or mask seems a rocket science for them.

    But I guess a lot of people would wear them but they are afraid of being laughed at (famous Irish slagging). If they were compulsory, so it would become normal then and most would comply...


  • #746
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Have you seen people wearing them under their nose?
    I have.
    Have you seen people wear them as a hat?
    I have
    Have you seen people wear them under their chin?
    I have.
    If they become mandatory people need to be educated in their use.
    Surely you realise the problem with common sense is that it's not that common.

    I see all of those things every day. And to make matters worse, they are mostly wearing one-time use surgical masks


  • #747
    owlbethere
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    While out walking a few weeks ago, someone ahead of me, stepped into a driveway, turned her back to me, took a tissue from her pocket and coughed or sneezed into it. I thought it was a lovely, considerate thing to do. A sizable portion of the population is doing what is required of them to contain this virus. A small percent of people not doing what they are required to do, will start new clusters of virus.

    I think containing this virus will have to be met from a few different angles, including the requirement for wearing face masks or face coverings on public transport and indoor environments.

    Some people in my local village has appalling habits. If the pubs weren't closed, I can tell you, they would be sitting on a high stool every day and the virus would be spreading around there, the public transport they take, and in the local shops when they pop in, and the lacal pharmacy.

    Face masks will have to be made a priority going forward if we want to resume some sort of normality sometime soon.


  • #748
    NegativeCreep
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    Absolutely sick of this. Wearing a mask isn’t rocket science! I would be considered “trained” to wear a mask through my job. Know what that training was? A 3 minute video I watched on my work laptop. With all the thousands of ads they have on the telly and radio, why can’t some of them be dedicated to showing people how to use masks properly?

    Has any country that has implemented a compulsory mask wearing order seen a massive increase in cases? No, they haven’t, cases have dropped. Even if the cases didn’t drop, is it any harm to have people wearing masks?

    Instead we’re just here twiddling our thumbs and probably waiting for the UK to tell people to wear masks before we do it ourselves. Too afraid to make a decision for whatever reason.


  • #749
    Gynoid
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Have you seen people wearing them under their nose?
    I have.
    Have you seen people wear them as a hat?
    I have
    Have you seen people wear them under their chin?
    I have.
    If they become mandatory people need to be educated in their use.
    Surely you realise the problem with common sense is that it's not that common.

    No, to the first 3 questions. Only in memes. But of course there will be silly people. But society cannot move ahead only at the pace of the silly people. Most people by far will figure out how to use masks, and it will then be beneficial.


  • #750
    Cork Boy 53
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    JoChervil wrote: »
    When I go for a walk I only use a piece of fabric to cover my nose/mouth, when coming close to someone and there is no space to self distance. In public transport and generally in confined spaced like shops they should be mandatory.

    I find it irritating that Irish government is treating people like idiots. Wearing and disposing gloves or mask seems a rocket science for them.

    But I guess a lot of people would wear them but they are afraid of being laughed at (famous Irish slagging). If they were compulsory, so it would become normal then and most would comply...

    I have seen more and more people wearing masks in my local town in recent weeks. I can assure you that nobody with an iota of sense is slagging them and any who are need to take a long hard look at themselves.


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  • #751
    Plumbthedepths
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    Gynoid wrote: »
    No, to the first 3 questions. Only in memes. But of course there will be silly people. But society cannot move ahead only at the pace of the silly people. Most people by far will figure out how to use masks, and it will then be beneficial.

    Well I saw all three examples passing through my local town on the way to work yesterday.


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