Relaxation of restrictions Part II

06-05-2020 12:33PM

growleaves wrote: »

Yes but what we know about previous pandemics should give us a sense of balance and proportion.

Social media posters who constantly invoke the worst second wave of a disease in history are not doing this. They are asking for the absolute worst case scenario imaginable to be treated as normative. They can't explain why they are asking for this, they just shout down anyone concerned with adverse consequences it leads to.

It is no harm to prepare for the worst, but always revise the plans as more information becomes available. The level of monitoring of this virus compared to 1918 are light years apart, so we should have an indication of the risk of a second wave much earlier

mille100piedi · 06-05-2020 12:33PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Did anyone see this?

"From tomorrow, a two-hour period between 1.30pm and 3.30pm will be reserved in all parks across Dublin city and county for people who are cocooning."

https://www.rte.ie/news/post/103399848/

So young people can't even use parks now at the hottest time of the day when we can get the most vitamin d?

A park is not an enclosed space like a supermarket, there is lots of space to social distance

this is crazy!!

tobefrank321 · 06-05-2020 12:34PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Is anywhere in the world locking down until there's a vaccine? I haven't heard of anywhere trying that approach.

Numerous countries have severely restricted inward travel - NZ, Australia, China, Taiwan, etc and will likely continue this until a vaccine. So they have locked down borders.

Bobtheman · 06-05-2020 12:34PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Just heard yesterday - there hasnt been a single vaccine developed for any of human corona viruses in our history.

Maintain social distancing.

Wash hands.

Open up.

Really ??

Mad_maxx · 06-05-2020 12:34PM

pjohnson wrote: »

I assume "beyond economic use" also applies to anyone overweight/with asthma/cancer/dialysis etc. regardless of age.

Interesting view. Compulsary euthansia for anyone not contributing to the economy or just send them to a gulag till they expire?

no need for the reductive " euthanasia " sh1te

the elderly and those with underlying conditions need to take responsibility and adjust their lives to the new reality of COVID 19 , that means not putting yourself in harms way , i.e , coming into contact with potential asymptomatic carriers , the state also has a responsibility to help said people and that is what should have happened

instead , everything was forced to stop for everyone and now many will die who needed other medical intervention , never mind the now irreversible economic damage caused

the whole thing has been a grand coalition of media hysteria and epic government incompetence but you can also add in the seemingly never ending prioritising of the elderly over everyone else by politicians

Ginger n Lemon · 06-05-2020 12:35PM

FishOnABike wrote: »

It's happened elsewhere already
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/29/japanese-island-suffering-avoidable-second-wave/
https://time.com/5826918/hokkaido-coronavirus-lockdown/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52305055
https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/hokkaido-hit-by-second-wave-of-coronavirus-after-ending-lockdown-early/

Those who cannot learn from history (even very recent history) are doomed to repeat it.

Better to do it once and do it properly than do a rush job and have to start all over again.

That is 1 island shutting down because of slight increase in cases. That is a population of 5m people out of Japans 127m.

Its a bit like Aranmore island here shutting down because of increase in their cases. It is very worrying that you have 1 place on earth to reference as "2nd wave" when that very place has suffered less than 1000 covid cases in total to date, its an island and can not be counted as "entire country".

Very very misleading.

growleaves · 06-05-2020 12:35PM

And on the Vitamin D levels in severe Covid 19 infections - correlation does not equal causation - do we know that the infection is not causing the deficiency - either directly, or the fact that someone very ill is unlikely to be getting sun and/or eating a nutritious diet.

Lets hope the same standard of demanding definitive proof in lieu of assumptions is applied to the lockdowns.

fatalll · 06-05-2020 12:35PM

mille100piedi wrote: »

this is crazy!!

jesus will people not read the article....last line is
"Other park users are asked to consider using the parks at other times. "

they are just trying to protect vulnerable and are asking if people can go at other times pleas do

JP100 · 06-05-2020 12:36PM

I don't think children with special needs should be discouraged from going to parks at certain times. As that is what the under 70s stipulation does. With special needs children you simply cannot time everything and a sensory break in a park may become a necessity for those children during restricted times.

06-05-2020 12:37PM

fatalll wrote: »

read the last line of the article

They are too busy frothing with righteous indication at the government plot to deprive them of their precious Vitamin D to bother informing themselves of actual facts

Mad_maxx · 06-05-2020 12:39PM

growleaves wrote: »

I think a phony "war of generations" is beside the point and people should be careful about buying into a false dichotomy and thinking in terms of expediency.

It would be possible to shield the elderly and vulnerable without economic deep-freeze and internal travel restrictions etc.

absolutely , the over seventies should be banned from air travel for several years , it should also be necessary to get doctors approval to take a flight , if you suffer from any sort of influenza related disease , flying should be off your radar until a cure is found

# new normal

fatalll · 06-05-2020 12:40PM

JP100 wrote: »

I don't think children with special needs should be discouraged from going to parks at certain times. As that is what the under 70s stipulation does. With special needs children you simply cannot time everything and a sensory break in a park may become a necessity for those children during restricted times.

Will you go Read the article please, you clearly have not
it says cooconers, not people over 70.
"Cooconers" is more than people over 70 btw

Benimar · 06-05-2020 12:40PM

Are people really complaining that they are being asked to stay out of a park for a couple of hours, so people who are cocooning can use them?!!

You are young, able bodied, unaffected by the virus (according to the Medical brains on here anyway!) and, bar work and kids, have no demands on your time.

Go out earlier or later, or sit on a fcuking bench to get your ‘essential’ 11.30 to 1.30 dose of Vitamin D.

The selfishness of some on here is a sight to behold.

lawrencesummers · 06-05-2020 12:40PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Covid 19 has been with us almost 6 months now.

So far despite 3 million confirmed cases worldwide and most likely 10 times that in reality, there hasn't been a single credible report of anyone being re-infected. Unless someone can point me to one?

This shows that so far many people can expect to be immune for at least 6 months. Hopefully we can get it up to a year and that would be very good news. It would mean that people can go back to work, travel, etc once recovered and expect a reasonably sustained immunity.

Expert clinically driven analysis like that will get you top job on trumps soon to be disbanded Covid 19 response team.

In one post your managed to invent immunity and then have a plan that will extend it to 12 months.

Well done.

JP100 · 06-05-2020 12:40PM

fatalll wrote: »

jesus will people not read the article....last line is
"Other park users are asked to consider using the parks at other times. "

they are just trying to protect vulnerable and are asking if people can go at other times pleas do

Everyone is aware of what the article says. Consider is used as it is legally unenforceable but the essence of it is that they're telling people under 70 not to go to parks at certain times.

fatalll · 06-05-2020 12:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They are too busy frothing with righteous indication at the government plot to deprive them of their precious Vitamin D to bother informing themselves of actual facts

Yes you may be right

Penfailed · 06-05-2020 12:41PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

This is very worrying, because most cases that have severe covid19 infections all have vitamin D deficiency. Getting to that stage where government is dictating who gets vitamin D and who does not?

No, it's not getting to that stage. Dial back the drama please. The best time of day to get Vitamin D into the body through direct sunlight is between the hours of 11am and 3pm. Even then, it's only recommended that you do so for 10 to 15 minutes.

seamus · 06-05-2020 12:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They are too busy frothing with righteous indication at the government plot to deprive them of their precious Vitamin D to bother informing themselves of actual facts

Even before all of this, it has never ceased to amaze me how violently some people react to any official request to show consideration for others.

It's like some people wish to reserve the right to be a dick, and any request to pause their dickishness for a brief period of time is a personal assault.

fatalll · 06-05-2020 12:41PM

JP100 wrote: »

Everyone is aware of what the article says. Consider is used as it is legally unenforceable but the essence of it is that they're telling people under 70 not to go to parks at certain times.

You obviously arent aware and still have not read the article

growleaves · 06-05-2020 12:44PM

I would only be worried re Vitamin D if people were being disallowed from going outside in the sunshine altogether, something that many boards posters wanted enforced at the point of a gun.

Cod liver oil is there for people who are especially worried. I take it all year round.

Mad_maxx · 06-05-2020 12:45PM

jmayo wrote: »

I was in the group born early 70s and I know fooking well I had it a lot better than my parents, their parents. or anyone before.
Most of them had to emigrate, some got to come home again, but others like one of my grandfathers is buried in New York. His wife or most of his kids never to see his grave.
Yes some of his kids did because they ended up in the states for most of their lives as well.
I was lucky because I was in a generation that got an education.
I was also lucky in that I got job in Ireland unlike a fair amount of my school mates.

BTW if it was all a grand sop to the edlerly6 voter base then why the fook did nearly every country round the world do something similar?

Come on genius is every country in the world that concerned with the over 70s voter base ?

Like China for instance ????

the older demographic are far richer globally and far more powerful politically , as another poster stated earlier

the government over ruled the HSE with regards when the over seventies could get out for exercise , they were fine with kids being bunkered this past two months

06-05-2020 12:45PM

The only people that are really at risk from Covid 19 are the over 65's. We should be cocooning the hell out of those people. Instead we feel bad for them so encourage them to come out and walk at peak hours. (Lunch time) Terrible advice considering over 90% of deaths in that catergory.

Meanwhile, the countries economy falls apart while everyone at very low risk sits at home.

We've made a right mess of this and its no wonder other countries are laughing at us.

JP100 · 06-05-2020 12:46PM

fatalll wrote: »

Will you go Read the article please, you clearly have not
it says cooconers, not people over 70.
"Cooconers" is more than people over 70 btw

Of course, I'll go, I'm over 70. Now, jog on.

Thelonious Monk · 06-05-2020 12:46PM

The parks thing is something dreamt up by the council I wouldn't worry about it. Nothing is being enforced anyway, although I haven't tried to drive anywhere so can't comment on that. Groups of people of all types are meeting up in parks and at seafront near me and Garda just drive past.
Really the only lockdown in place now seems to be some businesses not being allowed to open.

JP100 · 06-05-2020 12:47PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

absolutely , the over seventies should be banned from air travel for several years , it should also be necessary to get doctors approval to take a flight , if you suffer from any sort of influenza related disease , flying should be off your radar until a cure is found

# new normal

Not sure it should be banned outright but I sure will not be getting on a flight for the foreseeable future.

pjohnson · 06-05-2020 12:49PM

seamus wrote: »

Even before all of this, it has never ceased to amaze me how violently some people react to any official request to show consideration for others.

It's like some people wish to reserve the right to be a dick, and any request to pause their dickishness for a brief period of time is a personal assault.

Look at the amount of fitness enthusiasts that emerged when told to stay in at the start of this. We must be the slimmest and fittest nation in Europe!

gozunda · 06-05-2020 12:50PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

No no no no no my friend

Unfortunately you either have a vaccine or herd immunity.

Newsflash - there has not been a single vaccine developed for ANY human CORONA VIRUSES in this history of this planet.

Well there is a 3rd option, the one you seem to be pursuing of us staying at home and destroying hundreds of thousands of jobs, but my preference would be for herd immunity.

Please provide facts, peer reviewed scientific research if any of above statements are incorrect. Not science alert dot com lol i cant say it without laughing.

RfLol. That's brilliant. Where did you find that factoid? The back of a cornflakes packet?

And no I never mentioned that there was a corona virus vaccine btw.

But more importantly its certainly not up to me or anyone else to provide "peer reviewed scientific research" for any of your daft claims btw

partyguinness · 06-05-2020 12:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The only people that are really at risk from Covid 19 are the over 65's. We should be cocooning the hell out of those people. Instead we feel bad for them so encourage them to come out and walk at peak hours. (Lunch time) Terrible advice considering over 90% of deaths in that catergory.

Meanwhile, the countries economy falls apart while everyone at very low risk sits at home.

We've made a right mess of this and its no wonder other countries are laughing at us.

I feel that the over 65 should be cocooning themselves rather than the rest of society telling them to do so.

"Look lads. This C19 thing is going to be around for awhile. Be sensible and do what you want at your own risk but the rest of the country needs to get on with it."

They are not babies and should not be treated as such.

growleaves · 06-05-2020 12:52PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Look at the amount of fitness enthusiasts that emerged when told to stay in at the start of this. We must be the slimmest and fittest nation in Europe!

That was a consequence of the lockdown itself, turning local parks into "prison yard"-type centres of exercise localised to within 2km.

Gym enthusiasts, long-distance cyclists, runners etc. would normally be more spread out.

Rodin · 06-05-2020 12:53PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Look at the amount of fitness enthusiasts that emerged when told to stay in at the start of this. We must be the slimmest and fittest nation in Europe!

The solution to the obesity pandemic seems to be to tell people to stay at home!

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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