Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Stheno · 05-05-2020 11:29AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Update on the patient zero in Paris in December...

His wife worked in a fish market with Chinese colleagues. So could easily have been a once off transmission and not caught because of circulation of the virus in Europe

https://readsector.com/frenchman-43-reveals-he-is-the-patient-zero-who-had-coronavirus-last-december/

He's not patient zero though

Patient zero to my understanding is the person he caught it from or the person who brought it into the country

It's like the first patient in Italy still called patient one they never found how he caught it

mandrake04 · 05-05-2020 11:30AM

ek motor wrote: »

No open borders for a long time

I think that will be the same for most 1st world countries, every country will be responsible for cleaning up its own mess and if they manage to achieve some sort return to near normality then you would want to keep it like that.

Opening the border to people with no vested interest in the country would be madness.

eagle eye · 05-05-2020 11:30AM

Just Saying wrote:

I'd have to disagree.I am not doubting she has done well but their geographical position was a huge help especially when you consider that their nearest neighbour Australia did not have a big outbreak.Interestingly their death rate per head is much the same as NZ yet you rarely hear their PM get any fawning in the press for it it.

It was easier for them to keep numbers down but their response was quicker and tougher than ours.

Just Saying wrote:

I would be fairly sure that the virus was embedded in the population in most western European countries before most scientists/medics/politicians realised it.It became damage limitation then.There is no way she would have got us out of the mess..at best would have limited the damage.

Yes limited the damage a lot more than the buffoons we have in charge of this country. Exactly that.

Just Saying wrote:

I think Portugal of the Western European countries has done really well but I will wait unless we see excess mortality figures analyzed before grading our response.

I think the Czech Republic is a clear example of a country that looked and learned from other countries and then acted upon that information.
You are required to wear a facemask in public, their borders are shut, like New Zealand, and they are in great shape now. Austria too.
We never shut our borders, no law about facemasks. Anybody with a bit of cop on following what has been going on was aware five weeks ago that the keys to lowering infections and deaths was lockdown, closed borders, facemasks and social distancing.
Our government haven't improved things, just stuck with a poorly managed semi-lockdown.

branie2 · 05-05-2020 11:31AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I was in a garden centre with my wife yesterday plenty of customers but SD being well observed. Good to see some businesses remaining open.

Good to know

stephenjmcd · 05-05-2020 11:36AM

The examiner and the times covering this

The Department of Social Protection will continue to support workers until they go back to work, a government Minister has said.

However, Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection, Regina Doherty also warned that the current payments would not sustainable in the long term.

Plumbthedepths · 05-05-2020 11:38AM

eagle eye wrote: »

It was easier for them to keep numbers down but their response was quicker and tougher than ours.

Yes limited the damage a lot more than the buffoons we have in charge of this country. Exactly that.

I think the Czech Republic is a clear example of a country that looked and learned from other countries and then acted upon that information.
You are required to wear a facemask in public, their borders are shut, like New Zealand, and they are in great shape now. Austria too.
We never shut our borders, no law about facemasks. Anybody with a bit of cop on following what has been going on was aware five weeks ago that the keys to lowering infections and deaths was lockdown, closed borders, facemasks and social distancing.
Our government haven't improved things, just stuck with a poorly managed semi-lockdown.

The primetime programme that had the two Irish experts deride the wearing of facemasks versus the experience of the Czech reaction and fall in the spread was something to raise an eyebrow.
The Czech Republic is opening up alot sooner than us. Interestingly Czech citizens whilst they can't travel abroad neither can anyone travel into the country, were never restricted from travelling within the country.

Wombatman · 05-05-2020 11:40AM

No need to use gloves when shopping or outdoors – HSE

There is no need to use gloves when shopping or outdoors to protect against Covid-19, the Health Service Executive has advised.

Although the use of disposable and other types of gloves has become a common sight during the pandemic, the HSE is recommending against their use.

“We do not recommend using gloves while doing your shopping or when you are out and about,” says Prof Martin Cormican, HSE national lead for infection control.

“If there are bugs on your gloves those bugs often end up on your hands when you take the gloves off and from there they can very easily end up in your mouth, nose and eyes.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/no-need-to-use-gloves-when-shopping-or-outdoors-hse-1.4244689

yourdeadwright · 05-05-2020 11:42AM

Is the distances of 5k as the crow flys or by road maps ?

Random sample · 05-05-2020 11:44AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Is the distances of 5k as the crow flys or by road maps ?

I’m going with the crow, as I did with the 2km https://2kmfromhome.com/za/

seamus · 05-05-2020 11:44AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Is the distances of 5k as the crow flys or by road maps ?

Crow flies.

https://2kmfromhome.com/5km/

Wombatman · 05-05-2020 11:46AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Exactly. Well into 2021/22 players will still be testing positive. Football will have to continue, just like many other businesses.

In most peoples minds, football is a sport, not a business.

The dynamics of the game don't lend themselves to social distancing, unlike say golf or cycling.

You can't bring back on league without bringing back the game for others (recreational players and kids). This shouldn't be done for football until social distancing recommendations no longer apply.

If people spent as much time playing football, as they did watching it, the world would be a much better place.

05-05-2020 11:48AM

eagle eye wrote: »

It was easier for them to keep numbers down but their response was quicker and tougher than ours.

Yes limited the damage a lot more than the buffoons we have in charge of this country. Exactly that.

I think the Czech Republic is a clear example of a country that looked and learned from other countries and then acted upon that information.
You are required to wear a facemask in public, their borders are shut, like New Zealand, and they are in great shape now. Austria too.
We never shut our borders, no law about facemasks. Anybody with a bit of cop on following what has been going on was aware five weeks ago that the keys to lowering infections and deaths was lockdown, closed borders, facemasks and social distancing.
Our government haven't improved things, just stuck with a poorly managed semi-lockdown.

Austria never closed their border - they significantly reduced the number of Border crossings so they could put in border controls, and did seal of Italian crossings for a time, however anyone entitled to enter Austria were not stopped from doing so if they presented at an open crossing or airport, and Passenger flights into and out of Austria never stopped. Much like here

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/vie/arrivals

hmmm · 05-05-2020 11:49AM

Wombatman wrote: »

In most peoples minds, football is a sport, not a business.

The dynamics of the game don't lend themselves to social distancing, unlike say golf or cycling.

The big leagues will have the money to test players, isolate them before a game, and play a game in an empty stadium. Whether the players will be happy to do this or not I don't know, but it's doable.

Wombatman · 05-05-2020 11:55AM

hmmm wrote: »

The big leagues will have the money to test players, isolate them before a game, and play a game in an empty stadium. Whether the players will be happy to do this or not I don't know, but it's doable.

Isolate them for two weeks before each game?

If the big leagues come back, the lower leagues will have to come back to work out regulation\promotion.

Shouldn't happen. It's just a sport. Non-essential, particularly in that what you are talking about is mainly for spectating rather than participation.

Non solum non ambulabit · 05-05-2020 12:00PM

Wombatman wrote: »

In most peoples minds, football is a sport, not a business.

The dynamics of the game don't lend themselves to social distancing, unlike say golf or cycling.

You can't bring back on league without bringing back the game for others (recreational players and kids). This shouldn't be done for football until social distancing recommendations no longer apply.

If people spent as much time playing football, as they did watching it, the world would be a much better place.

Football is a sport. Premier League is a business.

eagle eye · 05-05-2020 12:10PM

Deleted User wrote:

Austria never closed their border - they significantly reduced the number of Border crossings so they could put in border controls, and did seal of Italian crossings for a time, however anyone entitled to enter Austria were not stopped from doing so if they presented at an open crossing or airport, and Passenger flights into and out of Austria never stopped. Much like here

They made it law to wear facemasks.

wakka12 · 05-05-2020 12:21PM

Doctors in New York noticing trend of toxic shock syndrome among children with COVID. Just last week it was said that this trend which was first spotted in European cities had not been observed in any American hospitals so far.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/more-local-hospitals-report-children-with-possible-covid-19-health-consequences/2399514/

05-05-2020 12:25PM

hmmm wrote: »

The big leagues will have the money to test players, isolate them before a game, and play a game in an empty stadium. Whether the players will be happy to do this or not I don't know, but it's doable.

There is no chance of footballers getting tested, in order to get playing, when not all healthcare workers can. Many players have already expressed those views. It will be completely socially unacceptable.

Personally, despite the attempts by the PL to come up with plan (for which no one can blame them, given the financial implications), I see no way that football can resume. And next season will be behind closed doors I would have thought

05-05-2020 12:26PM

eagle eye wrote: »

They made it law to wear facemasks.

Interesting that Austria now have laws both requiring you to cover your face
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52143873
and banning you from covering your face
https://www.bmeia.gv.at/en/travel-stay/entry-and-residence-in-austria/anti-face-covering-act/

eagle eye · 05-05-2020 12:29PM

Deleted User wrote:

Interesting that Austria now have laws both requiring you to cover your face

Do you really need that explained to you?

niallo27 · 05-05-2020 12:30PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Doctors in New York noticing trend of toxic shock syndrome among children with COVID. Just last week it was said that this trend which was first spotted in European cities had not been observed in any American hospitals so far.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/more-local-hospitals-report-children-with-possible-covid-19-health-consequences/2399514/

We haven't a clue whats causing it but lets panic everyone by saying its the corona virus causing it, it will get us a few clicks.

Plumbthedepths · 05-05-2020 12:31PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Interesting that Austria now have laws both requiring you to cover your face
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52143873
and banning you from covering your face
https://www.bmeia.gv.at/en/travel-stay/entry-and-residence-in-austria/anti-face-covering-act/

Of course a burka and nijab are no different than a medical mask. Jesus.

niallo27 · 05-05-2020 12:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no chance of footballers getting tested, in order to get playing, when not all healthcare workers can. Many players have already expressed those views. It will be completely socially unacceptable.

Personally, despite the attempts by the PL to come up with plan (for which no one can blame them, given the financial implications), I see no way that football can resume. And next season will be behind closed doors I would have thought

Its not a straight swap, a footballer getting tested wont stop a healthcare worker getting tested. I have seen this thrown around a bit, it makes no sense.

gabeeg · 05-05-2020 12:36PM

niallo27 wrote: »

We haven't a clue whats causing it but lets panic everyone by saying its the corona virus causing it, it will get us a few clicks.

Would you rather they kept the information to themselves?

wakka12 · 05-05-2020 12:40PM

niallo27 wrote: »

We haven't a clue whats causing it but lets panic everyone by saying its the corona virus causing it, it will get us a few clicks.

The article nor the doctors said it was definitely linked to COVID. There has simply been a trend observed of higher levels of this very rare disease occurring in children with COVID. They just told parents to look out for it. Hardly scare mongering, its just something they have noticed

niallo27 · 05-05-2020 12:43PM

gabeeg wrote: »

Would you rather they kept the information to themselves?

Yes, i would. Just like WHO last week saying there is no evidence of immunity and then backtracking the following week, articles like this cause panic or else they are completely ignored. Something factual appears then and people just associate it with all the other crap they heard.

New Home · 05-05-2020 12:47PM

Maybe people should improve their reading comprehension skills.

No evidence of immunity is NOT the same as no immunity.

Personally, I'd rather know.

wakka12 · 05-05-2020 12:48PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes, i would. Just like WHO last week saying there is no evidence of immunity and then backtracking the following week, articles like this cause panic or else they are completely ignored. Something factual appears then and people just associate it with all the other crap they heard.

Is that not the problem of those panicky people then? Like if they cant deal with reality and actually assess the situation rationally? There was no evidence of immunity at the time, that was a fact,WHO simply pointed out as a precaution, there is evidence of a link between covid and toxic shock syndrome, thats a fact, theyre pointing it out so that parents of children would be aware what symptoms to look out for, as a precation. I dont see what these doctors/WHO are doing wrong by simply reporting these things, there was absolutely no subjective take on these issues by the reporting bodies in either example, simply stating a fact

splashuum · 05-05-2020 12:50PM

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/majority-of-us-spy-agencies-believe-coronavirus-escaped-from-wuhan-lab

US intelligence now unanimously agreeing the virus escaped from a Wuhan lab.

Eod100 · 05-05-2020 12:58PM

splashuum wrote: »

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/majority-of-us-spy-agencies-believe-coronavirus-escaped-from-wuhan-lab

US intelligence now unanimously agreeing the virus escaped from a Wuhan lab.

They'd be a fairly conservative news source in US. And it's one official stating it. Trump is applying a lot of political pressure on intelligence community for his narrative. I'd nearly be as skeptical of US as I am of China.

No doubt China does have questions to answer but this all seems like a play from Trump admin to distract from his woeful handling of crises, cutting CDC funding before now etc.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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