Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Maestro85 · 04-05-2020 03:54PM

What are peoples feeling on opening tourism sites this year? Do you think we will be able to take in the numbers like before and what are the risks for international visitors coming in?

The place I work in is planning on opening this month and has taken bookings from English companies (tour buses) for Asian groups like Miki Travel for August.

To tell you all the truth I am sh*tting my pants at the prospect of dealing with all of this again.....

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 04-05-2020 04:02PM

Maestro85 wrote: »

What are peoples feeling on opening tourism sites this year? Do you think we will be able to take in the numbers like before and what are the risks for international visitors coming in?

The place I work in is planning on opening this month and has taken bookings from English companies (tour buses) for Asian groups like Miki Travel for August.

To tell you all the truth I am sh*tting my pants at the prospect of dealing with all of this again.....

God, really?

I think international tourism should be curtailed this year personally.

I'm really hoping we get a good summer because I think we'll be staying put. And it should be possible to enjoy the good weather near our own homes if it happens. Sunny, warm weather is pleasant no matter where you are.

Sam Russell · 04-05-2020 04:06PM

Turtwig wrote: »

It's a catch 22 if they standardized European public health the accusation would be of a United States of Europe with less power for individuals Europeans. If they don't you get the sh1t show that occurred this year where no country coordinated anything or listened to any of the numerous ECDC bulletins until it was too late. Everyone did their own thing and it was by and large disastrous.

It is just a bit further along the 'ever closer' relationship required by the Treaty of Rome.

It would have a huge benefit for all EU citizens to have a unified public health regime throughout the EU. Vaccinations like MMR, fluoride in the water (or not) to help dental health, folic acid in flour to prevent Spina Bifida, Vit D in milk to improve bone health, etc etc. Simple things that have huge public health benefits to prevent avoidable health problems.

bekker · 04-05-2020 04:16PM

Maestro85 wrote: »

What are peoples feeling on opening tourism sites this year? Do you think we will be able to take in the numbers like before and what are the risks for international visitors coming in?

The place I work in is planning on opening this month and has taken bookings from English companies (tour buses) for Asian groups like Miki Travel for August.

To tell you all the truth I am sh*tting my pants at the prospect of dealing with all of this again.....

Hate to be put in that position myself, but such corporate decisions stem from a lack clarity arising from government's usual abdication of responsibility avoiding mandatory 14 day self-financed isolation and testing for incoming travellers.

If the EU decides that such category of travel poses an unnecessary risk to EU economic interests it won't happen, possibly pan-EU tourism, but more likely no inter-state tourism, could be done via restrictive transport standards rendering it unviable for carriers.

The common travel area is also like to come under pressure unless the UK can visibly get it's act together.

Maybe your employer should be advised to check out the availability and cost of deposit refund insurance, they mightn't have thought through the downside of accepting such bookings.

Maestro85 · 04-05-2020 04:18PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

God, really?

I think international tourism should be curtailed this year personally.

I'm really hoping we get a good summer because I think we'll be staying put. And it should be possible to enjoy the good weather near our own homes if it happens. Sunny, warm weather is pleasant no matter where you are.

Local tourism this month, county tourism next month and domestic tourism in July and from August the site will welcome back any international travel groups according to our Commercial Manager. I can't see us being busy at all but the prospect of dealing with tour groups from abroad makes me uneasy. We are not even a big site compared to the storehouse or attractions along the Wild Atlantic Way. Bookings department says there is interest in Ireland as it is seen as a safe place to visit. I personally think we got lucky compared to how bad the virus could have hit us but now isn't the time to get complacent or greedy.

shaveAbullock · 04-05-2020 04:20PM

How can some international tourist locations think of reopening here again soon if hotels and hostels will only start to reopen on a small scale basis from the 20th July?

WoollyRedHat · 04-05-2020 04:24PM

Maestro85 wrote: »

What are peoples feeling on opening tourism sites this year? Do you think we will be able to take in the numbers like before and what are the risks for international visitors coming in?

The place I work in is planning on opening this month and has taken bookings from English companies (tour buses) for Asian groups like Miki Travel for August.

To tell you all the truth I am sh*tting my pants at the prospect of dealing with all of this again.....

No, that would be dangerous, only domestic travel should be allowed to happen this year, that goes for every country, stay where you are, get to know your own country. The potential of a new and deadlier wave of infection hitting us in autumn/winter is a real one.

Look back to over 100 years ago at Spanish Flu, first wave in spring followed by a deadlier wave in Autumn. A large number of soldiers who had Spanish Flu who were moved off the front lines and onto packed trains and into field hospitals was one of reasons a second wave caused it to spread like wildfire and killed millions across the globe. With the potential prevalence of asymptomatic and presymptomatic. people carrying the virus, where it might have been lying dormant, it would be like a ticking bomb, the resumption of normal travel in late summer/ autumn would be a huge risk to public health globally. Let us learn from the past so we can look forward to the future.

ETA: the only way I could see that provides potential for international tourism to resume this year is to have a bullet-proof test that indicated travelers didnt have the virus but it would would have to have a very quick turnaround with travellers isolating until results came back. From a science pov we'd have to have a test that detects virus before the person becomes at risk to spreading disease.

Maestro85 · 04-05-2020 04:25PM

shaveAbullock wrote: »

How can some international tourist locations think of reopening here again soon if hotels and hostels will only start to reopen on a small scale basis from the 20th July?

That was my take on it but Failte Ireland have left all of this in the dark and up to individual business/site to determine government mandate.

The Commercial Manager... well after a discussion we had on the topic on Friday night she didn't like my take on it and by yesterday I was quietly told either get on board or get a new job.

My take on it (the roadmap) was this:

20km travel restrictions will only be lifted on June 8th
For May, you can only deal with clients who are within 5km of our business as they cannot travel to you any further
Stage 2 we can deal with hyper local customers and Stage 4 (20 July) is when domestic tourism can really restart and I didn't think international would restart until later dependent on flights etc...

1800_Ladladlad · 04-05-2020 04:28PM

All the kids out on the road today having a water fight with their parents brining them refilled bottles. One of the parents is a detective. Shows all you need is below average IQ

hmmm · 04-05-2020 04:30PM

Maestro85 wrote: »

Local tourism this month, county tourism next month and domestic tourism in July and from August the site will welcome back any international travel groups according to our Commercial Manager. I can't see us being busy at all but the prospect of dealing with tour groups from abroad makes me uneasy. We are not even a big site compared to the storehouse or attractions along the Wild Atlantic Way. Bookings department says there is interest in Ireland as it is seen as a safe place to visit. I personally think we got lucky compared to how bad the virus could have hit us but now isn't the time to get complacent or greedy.

A lot of this has been pushed into "Phase 5", which I suspect is a bucket to dump everything that the government doesn't know what to do with but needed to mention.

Staycations only for probably the rest of the year I suspect. Hopefully towards the end of the year we'll have better treatments, we'll understand how the virus spreads, and a vaccine is in sight which will give people more confidence to book for 2021.

shaveAbullock · 04-05-2020 04:30PM

GM228 wrote: »

20km travel restrictions will only be lifted on June 8th
For May, you can only deal with clients who are within 5km of our business as they cannot travel to you any further
Stage 2 we can deal with hyper local customers and Stage 4 (20 July) is when domestic tourism can really restart and I didn't think international would restart until later dependent on flights etc...

You have the thing about distances all mixed up as that only relates to exercise.

bekker · 04-05-2020 04:30PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

It is just a bit further along the 'ever closer' relationship required by the Treaty of Rome.

It would have a huge benefit for all EU citizens to have a unified public health regime throughout the EU. Vaccinations like MMR, fluoride in the water (or not) to help dental health, folic acid in flour to prevent Spina Bifida, Vit D in milk to improve bone health, etc etc. Simple things that have huge public health benefits to prevent avoidable health problems.

Agreed that there are many obvious benefits, but there are downsides to that type of centralised control. There were good reasons for certain competencies being omitted from various treaties.

Attempting to add-in health would possibly be the fastest way to fracture the already fragile EU. Even simply attempting to establish a central strategic reserve of PPE would run into a wall of political and commercial problems.

Countries are at loggerheads and forming blocks over such a relatively simple issue as equitable treatment of lorry drivers which affects a tiny % of populations. Heath affects the whole population and is a hot button issue in the national politics of most states.

Maestro85 · 04-05-2020 04:44PM

shaveAbullock wrote: »

You have the thing about distances all mixed up as that only relates to exercise.

Thank you. I was thinking this relates to an onsite presence more than opening as we would have more walk-ins.

To be honest with you all. I would be happy with not being open until August for purely selfish reasons. I am 40-something man and have worked in tourism for 8 years now and I have dealt with a lot of serious first aid incidents during that time so I am not prone to anxiety but it makes me anxious to think of dealing with large tour groups from abroad, particularly the hot spots for the outbreak. Call me a racist if ye wish but getting onto a bus full of Chinese tourists will make me sweat.

shaveAbullock · 04-05-2020 04:53PM

Maestro85 wrote: »

Thank you. I was thinking this relates to an onsite presence more than opening as we would have more walk-ins.

Another weird thing is the travel restrictions only apply to Irish citizens so international tourists could travel wherever they want.
But I still don't see how this would be possible with almost no accommodation available for them.

WoollyRedHat · 04-05-2020 04:57PM

Sorry if this has been posted, could be important in identifying those who have virus before they become infectious to others and could be reserved for those who work in health care, nursing homes and potentially on people wishing to enter the country, to avoid outbreaks re-emerging in the community following containment.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/01/us-germ-warfare-lab-creates-test-for-pre-infectious-covid-19-carriers

LillyIsland · 04-05-2020 04:58PM

I'm studying in UCC (but staying at home atm, in another county) and my lease for the student accommodation expires next week. Am I allowed to go there and move out under the current restrictions?

shaveAbullock · 04-05-2020 05:00PM

LillyIsland wrote: »

I'm studying in UCC (but staying at home atm, in another county) and my lease for the student accommodation expires next week. Am I allowed to go there and move out under the current restrictions?

As far a I know moving accommodation is essential travel so I think the answer is yes.

Obviously this would not cover people moving between permanent and holiday homes. It's just for someone with one place of residence.

silverharp · 04-05-2020 05:16PM

https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1257338287322279939

Gael23 · 04-05-2020 05:23PM

16 deaths an 266 cases

Figures with a significant health warning due to bank holiday

branie2 · 04-05-2020 05:26PM

Number of deaths are declining, hopefully

stephenjmcd · 04-05-2020 05:27PM

Italy reports 1,221 new cases of coronavirus and 195 new deaths.

Total of 211,938 cases and 29,079 deaths.

ACitizenErased · 04-05-2020 05:29PM

Deaths are way down last few days, and ICU figures constantly decreasing. We're improving ever so slightly.

ACitizenErased · 04-05-2020 05:35PM

https://twitter.com/datavizireland/status/1257347053669232642?s=20

hmmm · 04-05-2020 05:38PM

I'm a bit surprised the number of new cases is remaining so high. Have they finished testing all the nursing homes and is this effectively a backlog, or are these true "new" cases occurring in the community?

owlbethere · 04-05-2020 05:41PM

Maestro85 wrote: »

That was my take on it but Failte Ireland have left all of this in the dark and up to individual business/site to determine government mandate.

The Commercial Manager... well after a discussion we had on the topic on Friday night she didn't like my take on it and by yesterday I was quietly told either get on board or get a new job.

My take on it (the roadmap) was this:

20km travel restrictions will only be lifted on June 8th
For May, you can only deal with clients who are within 5km of our business as they cannot travel to you any further
Stage 2 we can deal with hyper local customers and Stage 4 (20 July) is when domestic tourism can really restart and I didn't think international would restart until later dependent on flights etc...

That's an appalling attitude from your employer. Put this down in your own written notes and take it to an employment solicitor or citizens information to see where you stand on this.

You were only giving her your understanding of what the road map is and your employer is jumping the gun here.

NegativeCreep · 04-05-2020 05:41PM

hmmm wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised the number of new cases is remaining so high. Have they finished testing all the nursing homes and is this effectively a backlog, or are these true "new" cases occurring in the community?

Wider criteria for testing. Deaths and numbers in ICU declining nicely

WoollyRedHat · 04-05-2020 05:41PM

silverharp wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gerdosi/status/1257338287322279939

More of concentrated data like this is needed, as it will improve knowledge of transmission but it also reinforces advice that a lack of social distancing with suspected cases over a concentrated period of time suggests much higher risk of transmission and also of course that this disease is very much asymptomatic. We need correlative studies, for example what are incidences of outbreaks in factories where all or most worker's are wearing masks in terms of percentages? Almost 20 percent of workforce in this case is quite high no?

iamwhoiam · 04-05-2020 05:41PM

hmmm wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised the number of new cases is remaining so high. Have they finished testing all the nursing homes and is this effectively a backlog, or are these true "new" cases occurring in the community?

Haven’t they loosened the criteria to only one symptom ? I presume that would make the numbers go up?

JP Liz V1 · 04-05-2020 05:43PM

Gael23 wrote: »

16 deaths an 266 cases

Figures with a significant health warning due to bank holiday

RIP

We need to get everyone tested here also start anitbody testing too

ACitizenErased · 04-05-2020 05:43PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Haven’t they loosened the criteria to only one symptom ? I presume that would make the numbers go up?

Exactly this. More testing = more cases.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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