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Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [** POSSIBLE SPOILERS **]
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It depends what you mean by conflict. Rodenberry's idea of no conflict was everybody gets along and there's rarely even disagreement beyond "ye cannae break the laws o physics cap'n." There's a lot of scope between that and outright mutiny.My other major complaint is that I bloody well liked the "no conflict among the crew" and idealised utopia of TOS and TNG. I know DS9 gets a lot of praise but I think it was the first one to really break the mould on that. And you see some of the great Trek writers like Ronald D. Moore scoffing at Gene's no-conflict rules and how liberating it was to abandon those... but **** it, go write a different show then (and he did, in fairness!
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This review is excellent, best part "when did Star Trek become so fcking mundane and petty" (basically the early 21st century right now). And yes to his analysis of seven, she really does go from a cool, reserved and rational character to a cynical, sarcastic alcoholic. STP is not Star Trek, Alex Kurtzman is just taking the name and abusing it for his own show (except he lacked to imagination to create his own universe).
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I tried watching that author's videos before, but his style is cynical and abhorrent. In fact it feels rich that he'd comment on this more dystopian view of Treks world, when its channels like his that perpetuate the cycle of negativity within the pop culture zeitgeist. Negativity sells. YouTube is awash with "critics" or outrage merchants who get off on slamming everything, screaming about SJWs, picking holes, pulling up supposed "plot holes" or what have you. There are about 2, 3 channels I'll watch re. pop culture criticism who have decidedly sober, thoughtful approaches like Lindsey Ellis or Patrick H Willems. The rest is just screeching white noise as unpleasant as any number of Trek admirals saying "F*ck". Picard has its problems, but so has the wider world of entertainment.
Sorry. If that sounds like a rant, then good; it was absolutely meant to be one
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I tried watching that author's videos before, but his style is cynical and abhorrent. In fact it feels rich that he'd comment on this more dystopian view of Treks world, when its channels like his that perpetuate the cycle of negativity within the pop culture zeitgeist. Negativity sells. YouTube is awash with "critics" or outrage merchants who get off on slamming everything, screaming about SJWs, picking holes, pulling up supposed "plot holes" or what have you. There are about 2, 3 channels I'll watch re. pop culture criticism who have decidedly sober, thoughtful approaches like Lindsey Ellis or Patrick H Willems. The rest is just screeching white noise as unpleasant as any number of Trek admirals saying "F*ck". Picard has its problems, but so has the wider world of entertainment.
Sorry. If that sounds like a rant, then good; it was absolutely meant to be one
you can be critical of the critics, but the shows are giving them the material. While there might be a market for these shows and if they are generating $$$ thats all that matters to Netflix and the rest, but its also legitimate that a lot of viewers who grew up on 80's to later SiFi find this modern Star Trek soulless.
If I had to choose between a lost episode of Next Generation and the next series of Picard, I'd pick the lost episode in a heartbeat.A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer
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I tried watching that author's videos before, but his style is cynical and abhorrent. In fact it feels rich that he'd comment on this more dystopian view of Treks world, when its channels like his that perpetuate the cycle of negativity within the pop culture zeitgeist. Negativity sells. YouTube is awash with "critics" or outrage merchants who get off on slamming everything, screaming about SJWs, picking holes, pulling up supposed "plot holes" or what have you. There are about 2, 3 channels I'll watch re. pop culture criticism who have decidedly sober, thoughtful approaches like Lindsey Ellis or Patrick H Willems. The rest is just screeching white noise as unpleasant as any number of Trek admirals saying "F*ck". Picard has its problems, but so has the wider world of entertainment.
Sorry. If that sounds like a rant, then good; it was absolutely meant to be one
I agree. I never will let some know it all on youtube running his mouth dictate to me what might or might not be good.
In fact all these people craving attention by giving reviews I have no interest in.
I recall people slating DS9 as dark, enterprise as awful etc.
I watched those shows and the "dark"DS9 was my favorite show of them all.
The so called awful enterprise was better than voyager.
I prefer this format of people together on a forum discussing a show than some attention whore lecturing on youtube as if they were an expert on taste.0 -
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That's so much better than what they done and makes more sense too and would have been far better. A pity you were not a writer for it. What or how do you think they should do season 2 of Picard?
Thank you, you are for too kind
I don't think there should be a Season 2. This should have been Picard's swan-song and alas I don't think Season 1 would have been a appropriate send off for Picard.
But if I bring out the crayons, I guess this is what I would do for Season 2 based on the Season 1 we got.
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The events of Season 1 have now become common knowledge across the known galaxy. The Artifact has a become the object of a political tug-of-war between the Federation, Romulan Free State and the new Ex-Borg Collective. What had looked like situation where the Romulans would actually join the Federation is now looking like the beginnings of an open war.
Picard & La Serena continue Picard's earlier work of trying to help out refugee Romulans settle on various Federation outposts, at the same time they are trying to act as good will ambassadors for the android race. In a world in what used to be the Neutral Zone, Picard uncovers something familiar, a piece of Iconian technology. With the help of some others, Picard learns he's found an Iconian Time-Capsule and that only a Posatronic brain can sync with it. Picard uses his knowledge of Iconia and his new android brain to access the data.
The Romulan Sisters had read their information wrong. They too had accessed the Iconian message, but they were not equipped to understand what it really meant. Nor were the androids. Only someone like Picard, born natually, but transferred to an android...only he could hope to receive the message properly.
I was an Iconian log, their last log. They were the most powerful empire the galaxy had ever seen, with gateways in all 4 quadrants. But they had grown arrogant, they started to believe that they could cheat death. Thousands of years before Data, they created their own Posatronic brains, to house their own minds, and to live forever.
But a lack of death had warped the Iconian's sense of reality. Jealously they guarded their new ability from other species. Factions began to form and rivalries that might have calmed down after due to time or death just grew greater. Whole sections of Iconian society tore itself apart, leaving behind the Gateways and scraps of their technology for others to find.
The microscopic probes they used to mend their bodies fell into the hands of a Delta Quadrant species who learned how the Iconian probes could repair bodies. Their whole society swapped out these probes for most medicines, but it was too popular...the probes were everywhere and had linked together....by the time they had realised their mistake....they had become Species 001. They would repair....everything....
The robot arms that had been summoned by Soji were not some kind of robot race arriving to wipe out organic life. They were the remaining living Iconians...driven mad by their eternity in the void between gateways. The message had been a cry for help, they had wanted to get out but they were extremely powerful and were insane. Now mostly robotic, they looked nothing like their original selves.
It was essential to avoid war in the Neural Zone at all costs. Not just for the sake of peace, but to prevent the insane Iconians from being unleashed onto the Alpha and Beta Quadrants...and possibly even the entire Galaxy. Classified logs from the Earth Romulan War show them that this nearly happened once before.
Picard Season 2 would cover Picard & Co's attempts to stop a war from happening in this part of space while others would be trying to make it happen in order to gain the Iconian technologies for themselves.
In the end of all of this...Picard should somehow die in one last *genuine* sacrifice to save everyone from the Iconian disaster (and not just to "convince" the androids that people can be OK).
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So, that's what I sort of threw together there :P0 -
Thank you, you are for too kind
I don't think there should be a Season 2. This should have been Picard's swan-song and alas I don't think Season 1 would have been a appropriate send off for Picard.
But if I bring out the crayons, I guess this is what I would do for Season 2 based on the Season 1 we got.
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The events of Season 1 have now become common knowledge across the known galaxy. The Artifact has a become the object of a political tug-of-war between the Federation, Romulan Free State and the new Ex-Borg Collective. What had looked like situation where the Romulans would actually join the Federation is now looking like the beginnings of an open war.
Picard & La Serena continue Picard's earlier work of trying to help out refugee Romulans settle on various Federation outposts, at the same time they are trying to act as good will ambassadors for the android race. In a world in what used to be the Neutral Zone, Picard uncovers something familiar, a piece of Iconian technology. With the help of some others, Picard learns he's found an Iconian Time-Capsule and that only a Posatronic brain can sync with it. Picard uses his knowledge of Iconia and his new android brain to access the data.
The Romulan Sisters had read their information wrong. They too had accessed the Iconian message, but they were not equipped to understand what it really meant. Nor were the androids. Only someone like Picard, born natually, but transferred to an android...only he could hope to receive the message properly.
I was an Iconian log, their last log. They were the most powerful empire the galaxy had ever seen, with gateways in all 4 quadrants. But they had grown arrogant, they started to believe that they could cheat death. Thousands of years before Data, they created their own Posatronic brains, to house their own minds, and to live forever.
But a lack of death had warped the Iconian's sense of reality. Jealously they guarded their new ability from other species. Factions began to form and rivalries that might have calmed down after due to time or death just grew greater. Whole sections of Iconian society tore itself apart, leaving behind the Gateways and scraps of their technology for others to find.
The microscopic probes they used to mend their bodies fell into the hands of a Delta Quadrant species who learned how the Iconian probes could repair bodies. Their whole society swapped out these probes for most medicines, but it was too popular...the probes were everywhere and had linked together....by the time they had realised their mistake....they had become Species 001. They would repair....everything....
The robot arms that had been summoned by Soji were not some kind of robot race arriving to wipe out organic life. They were the remaining living Iconians...driven mad by their eternity in the void between gateways. The message had been a cry for help, they had wanted to get out but they were extremely powerful and were insane. Now mostly robotic, they looked nothing like their original selves.
It was essential to avoid war in the Neural Zone at all costs. Not just for the sake of peace, but to prevent the insane Iconians from being unleashed onto the Alpha and Beta Quadrants...and possibly even the entire Galaxy. Classified logs from the Earth Romulan War show them that this nearly happened once before.
Picard Season 2 would cover Picard & Co's attempts to stop a war from happening in this part of space while others would be trying to make it happen in order to gain the Iconian technologies for themselves.
In the end of all of this...Picard should somehow die in one last *genuine* sacrifice to save everyone from the Iconian disaster (and not just to "convince" the androids that people can be OK).
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So, that's what I sort of threw together there :P
I agree totally with you on season 1 and also that it should have been at least 3 seasons before Picard was to die but it is the way it is now.
That's really good. You should get in contact with CBS and try and get on the writing staff of Picard. Even if they only used a little of what you have typed there it might be much better than what they come up with.Live long and Prosper
Peace and long life.
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I agree totally with you on season 1 and also that it should have been at least 3 seasons before Picard was to die but it is the way it is now.
That's really good. You should get in contact with CBS and try and get on the writing staff of Picard. Even if they only used a little of what you have typed there it might be much better than what they come up with.
Thank you again
Like any Trekkie, even the hint of an idea to actually write some of Trek of be mind-blowing. Although I have a strong suspicion that you need to get past a load of gate-keepers to even get as far as putting in an idea or even the scrap of a suggestion.
I had a quick look at Star Trek.com about this: https://intl.startrek.com/Pitching
Looks like they wouldn't be interested in anyone giving them a draft story pitch for a Season 2 (At least not via this path).
Also you've got the problem that CBS don't actually produce Star Trek at the moment, Secret Hideout do this. They themselves don't appear to have much of an online prescience (so I guess they kind of live up to their name)
So although I would jump at the chance to write any Trek, I haven't the foggiest idea where I would start :P0 -
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